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To Hendrik Jan, Dennis Gunn, Yoonchi, Per Boysen, Phil Angus, and John
Matthews.

It seems that Barb the Beat-Girl is not the only one to get challenged on
the logic-list, notwithstanding the fact that she has helped an enormous
amount of people, as has Hendrik Jan and all of you. When you start
comparing Guitarists and guitar solos, it becomes pointless, like saying
that Jimi Hendrix was better than Jerry Garcia because more people copy him.
Both, in my HUMBLE OPNINION have given much pleasure to enormous amounts of
people, as have all the other guitarists that have been mentioned. This rant
was mainly concerned with the thread of the voicings of Paul Kossof's guitar
part to "All Right Now", which was developing into an anally-obsessive
comparison.

a personal aside to John Matthews.....I don't like being referred to as
"greydung". My name is Graeme Douglas. If you have something else to say to
me about my technical expertise as a guitarist, or my songwriting
credentials, then I am happy to respond to you in private

What started off as a light-hearted jest about the amount of feeling that
some of you have about criticism of your favourite guitarists has become
bitter. I apologize unreservedly to anyone to whom I've, inadvertedly,
offended.

Graeme Douglas
(Best -known song: "Do anything you wanna do" Eddie and the Hot Rods 1977)

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  To Hendrik Jan, Dennis Gunn, Yoonchi, Per Boysen, Phil Angus, and John
  Matthews.

  What started off as a light-hearted jest about the amount of feeling that
  some of you have about criticism of your favourite guitarists has become
  bitter. I apologize unreservedly to anyone to whom I've, inadvertedly,
  offended.

  Graeme Douglas 
   
   
  Never mind , Graeme . I missed most of that thread anyway. And I'm sorry for quoting your "strong expression" . Didn't mean anything doing that - I simply found it a bit funny and  became too hot on the send button. 
   
   
  Regards
   
  Per Boysen
   


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From: greydug [mailto:greydug@...] wrote:

> This rant was mainly concerned with the thread of the voicings of Paul
Kossof's guitar
> part to "All Right Now", which was developing into an anally-obsessive
> comparison.

Actually you are quite wrong. This thread was not mainly about that. It was
mainly about famous guitarists and whether famous guitarists respect each
other and so forth, which in my experience they most definately do. I then
made a side observation about how inaccurate Alright Now is generally played
by covers bands, and the reason I did that was to illustrate how clever the
original solo was by actually sounding easy and catchy but when you listen
carefully is actually not quite as it seems. It is listening to solos in
this way that actually helps one to learn the guitar and appreciate the
intricate details of a solo which in turn hopefully helps a learning
guitarist.

Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with learning something note for
note, phrase for phrase. It's actually quite satisfying as there are two
types of audience. One that likes the song and doesn't notice if it's played
in a different key and the other who disects everything and waits for an out
of place note. If that doesn't happen then you have pleased everyone which
is also self satisfying. And like I said with Yes, if you are a real
guitarist and appreciate the great guitarists then listening to someone like
Steve Howe reproduce a solo perfectly is great, especially if that solo is
your favourite bit of the album or song. I happen to love the solo in
Awaken, which is essentially a great song brought to life by a blistering
jazzy raw on the brink of feedback solo. You don't hear anyone else sounding
like that. Absolutely unique. I'm not saying that makes him better, but it
probably makes him the right man for Yes.

I'm sure Eddie And The Hot Rods were more in to the enclosed club atmosphere
and preferred the more relaxed approach with a lot of ad libbing, but then
they were that kind of band, raw, lively, get off your ass and jig around
til you drop, don't care if you hit a bum note as you dance across the stage
etc. A sort of cross between punk and Big Country, is that a fair
description?

Oh and, it was never a rant, not from me anyway. Just passion, pure passion.

> Graeme Douglas
> (Best -known song: "Do anything you wanna do" Eddie and the Hot Rods 1977)

In general I never bought singles. I remember distinctly buying two, one was
the above and the other was Band Aid. Well I had to buy it to ease my
concience and do something for charity. I also had to buy the Band Aid thing
as well!! :-)

You've got something to sayyyyyyyyy. Do anything you wanna do...........