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recording of bassdrum

2000-01-07 by Repulsive

Hello together
I've following questions:
- How do you record the bassdrum?
  Until now, i put the microphone (from AKG) some centimeters before the
hole. By concert i've often seen, that the microphone was direct in the
bassdrum itself. But i can not get good results with this method.
- How do you make the bassdrum more audible on cheap hifi-systems or
headphone?
- Once, someone told me, that with professional mixingdesk you can add a
sinuswave (around 60Hz or something) to the bassdrum, to make it sound
'better'. How can i do that with Logic? Until now i add some overdrive to
make it sound wider.
- Do you think this is too much ot???
Greatings
Rolf Gr\ufffdninger

Re: recording of bassdrum

2000-01-07 by André Tremblay

check "rec.audio.pro"
this kind of questions is often discussed there...
Andr\ufffd

Repulsive a \ufffdcrit:
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> 
> Hello together
> I've following questions:
> - How do you record the bassdrum?
>   Until now, i put the microphone (from AKG) some centimeters before the
> hole. By concert i've often seen, that the microphone was direct in the
> bassdrum itself. But i can not get good results with this method.
> - How do you make the bassdrum more audible on cheap hifi-systems or
> headphone?
> - Once, someone told me, that with professional mixingdesk you can add a
> sinuswave (around 60Hz or something) to the bassdrum, to make it sound
> 'better'. How can i do that with Logic? Until now i add some overdrive to
> make it sound wider.
> - Do you think this is too much ot???
> Greatings
> Rolf Gr\ufffdninger
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Re: recording of bassdrum

2000-01-07 by don summer

andr\ufffd,

where do i find this forum???

cheerz
don
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>check "rec.audio.pro"
>this kind of questions is often discussed there...
>Andr\ufffd
>
>Repulsive a \ufffdcrit:
>> 
>> Hello together
>> I've following questions:
>> - How do you record the bassdrum?
>>   Until now, i put the microphone (from AKG) some centimeters before the
>> hole. By concert i've often seen, that the microphone was direct in the
>> bassdrum itself. But i can not get good results with this method.
>> - How do you make the bassdrum more audible on cheap hifi-systems or
>> headphone?
>> - Once, someone told me, that with professional mixingdesk you can add a
>> sinuswave (around 60Hz or something) to the bassdrum, to make it sound
>> 'better'. How can i do that with Logic? Until now i add some overdrive to
>> make it sound wider.
>> - Do you think this is too much ot???
>> Greatings
>> Rolf Gr\ufffdninger

Re: recording of bassdrum

2000-01-07 by Yoonchi

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From: Repulsive <repulsive@...>

> Hello together
> I've following questions:
> - How do you record the bassdrum?
>   Until now, i put the microphone (from AKG) some centimeters before the
> hole. By concert i've often seen, that the microphone was direct in the
> bassdrum itself. But i can not get good results with this method.

Okay, here is what I do in live situations:
- I always place the mic in the kick drum, about 2 to 4 inches(5 to 10 cm)
away from the drum skin where the pedal hits.
- Always put the mic of center and near where the pedal hits if you want
that click sound when the kick drum is kicked.
- Use damping material like a blanket or clothes to prevent standing waves
within the kick drum, otherwise you'll get that boomy sound.
- Use some compression on the signal from the mic.

> - How do you make the bassdrum more audible on cheap hifi-systems or
> headphone?

You can't unless you have very expensive headphones. Still because headphone
only have a very little diapragm they can't produce waves of low frequencies
with large amplitudes.
With a cheap hifi system you can try by adding the loudness.

> - Once, someone told me, that with professional mixingdesk you can add a
> sinuswave (around 60Hz or something) to the bassdrum, to make it sound
> 'better'. How can i do that with Logic? Until now i add some overdrive to
> make it sound wider.

You can use sidechaining as has been discussed on the LUG. But I know a much
easier way to do this in Logic: use a multiband compressor. There is one
free VST one that I like to use often. It's on the Maxim site at
www.abel.co.uk/~maxim
You can also use the bass to enhance the kick drum by playing with the eq on
both; set the kick cut where the frequencies of the bass are, that's at
about 80Hz.

> - Do you think this is too much ot???

Isn't this the Off Topic list?

> Greatings
> Rolf Gr\ufffdninger

Good luck,
Yoonchi.

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Re: recording of bassdrum

2000-01-07 by André Tremblay

you have to add it in the forum list active in your browser.
I dont remember where I got the link to this forum but you can probably
find it easily.
Excuse me for incomplete answer but I'm not able to give you more for
the moment!!!
Andr\ufffd

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> 
> andr\ufffd,
> 
> where do i find this forum???
> 
> cheerz
> don
> 
> >check "rec.audio.pro"
> >this kind of questions is often discussed there...
> >Andr\ufffd
> >
> >Repulsive a \ufffdcrit:
> >>
> >> Hello together
> >> I've following questions:
> >> - How do you record the bassdrum?
> >>   Until now, i put the microphone (from AKG) some centimeters before the
> >> hole. By concert i've often seen, that the microphone was direct in the
> >> bassdrum itself. But i can not get good results with this method.
> >> - How do you make the bassdrum more audible on cheap hifi-systems or
> >> headphone?
> >> - Once, someone told me, that with professional mixingdesk you can add a
> >> sinuswave (around 60Hz or something) to the bassdrum, to make it sound
> >> 'better'. How can i do that with Logic? Until now i add some overdrive to
> >> make it sound wider.
> >> - Do you think this is too much ot???
> >> Greatings
> >> Rolf Gr\ufffdninger
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Re: recording of bassdrum

2000-01-09 by Gilles Ruppert

In Studio situations I often use an AKG D-12e or D-112 inside the the
about 5-10 cm awy from the skin an ca 5 cm away from the center of where
the pedal hits. here is the point where you have the most power (in my
opinion) If you have the possibility you can use a 2nd Mic outside the
BD. This can be a good large diaphragm condenser mic but I also had good
results with a Beyerdynamic M-88 (very good subbass!!!)
Use damping Material in the Bassdrum (except for Jazz, classic
recordings) but don't take too much of it as it kills the "sound" of the
drum. Take your time and experiment a little bit. Use compression to
make the BD more "powerful".

> > - How do you make the bassdrum more audible on cheap hifi-systems or
>
> > headphone?

You can make it louder by adding the kick (ca 3-5 kHz). Cheap HiFi
system don't have much bottom and so it is useless to add deep
frequencies. This will only destroy your mix on better systems.

> > - Once, someone told me, that with professional mixingdesk you can
> add a
> > sinuswave (around 60Hz or something) to the bassdrum, to make it
> sound
> > 'better'. How can i do that with Logic? Until now i add some
> overdrive to
> > make it sound wider.

You don't make the sound "better" by adding a sine wave but you give it
more bottom. This really kicks ass in some Music styles like Trip Hop,
Hip Hop etc, but personnaly I don't like in rock or pop applications.

> > - Do you think this is too much ot???
>
> No!!!

Keep in mind that the Drums is a unity and not only different
instruments!! Listen to the whole drum kit and the entire mix to mix it.
You would be suprised how awful the BD often sounds on international
publications, when you listen to it alone, but in the unity and the mix
it is just how it should be.
Don't take these tips as a bible ;-) Try what you can reach with
different Mic's, positions, damping material, compressor & EQ settings
etc.
Good Luck and Cheers,
Gilles

Re: recording of bassdrum

2000-01-10 by Arvid Solvang

A cool effect on the bassdrum is to leave it very opensounding (not dampened
at all) and then gate it so that you have the length you want from it. Be
carefull with all the other mics though.

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Re: recording of bassdrum

2008-05-24 by Jeanette

Message posted by Jeanette <moderator2@...>:

one of the problems when recording music on separate tracks is often the attention given to each track and not to the music as a whole 
Gilles Ruppert <denise.ruppert@... wrote:
> Keep in mind that the Drums is a unity and not only different instruments!! Listen to the whole drum kit and the entire mix to mix it. You would be suprised how awful the BD often sounds on international publications, when you listen to it alone, but in the unity and the mix it is just how it should be. Don't take these tips as a bible ;-) Try what you can reach with different Mic's, positions, damping material, compressor & EQ settings etc.

I have to agree with this 100% and when playing around and experimenting alway listen to the music as a whole and not just separate track, and also, try and listen to the music on different players, because not all music players will give you the same sound that you get in a studio. obviously.



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