Lpc2000

I think it is time to take this discussion out of the LPC2000 group.

//Helge



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Från: Onestone [mailto:onestone@bigpond.net.au] 
Skickat: den 24 mars 2005 07:17
Till: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Ämne: Re: [lpc2000] Vendors: no business without a LINUX-based product


Joe Hlebasko wrote:

> I am getting tired of Linux users claiming that Linux is so much 
> better than Windows/OSX/QNX/Unix whatever. The market decides which OS 
> a development tool company will support.
>
> If Linux was so good, then why isn't there more Linux support from 
> development tool companies?
>
> I lived through the MAC/PC OS Wars of the '90s. I'll say it now and as 
> I said it back then the market will ultimately decide which platform 
> is better.

Windows won the OS wars for one simple reason. The MAC was a closed
architecture, the PC was an open arhcitecture. Everybody and their uncles
was building add on cards and writing code for windows, noboday could afford
a licence for MAC. You could get free, or effectively free software to do
anything on a PC, and find hardware for just about any imaginable extension,
MAC software and hardware was both rare and grossly overpriced.

Windows is an absolute piece of crap, it's bloated, it's slow, and it's
riddled with bugs, but it's also used by 90% of all businesses, so if my
clients have to be able to run the same stuff I do, and they run Windows I
can either piss them off or bite my tongue and use the same piece of crap
they do.

Now that I've quit contracting I no longer care, so I 'm probably going to
convert an old system to Linux. I still won't get rid of Windows though,
simply because all the best games are written for it.

Al

>
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brett Delmage [mailto:BDelmage@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:11 PM
> > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [lpc2000] Vendors: no business without a LINUX-based 
> > product
> >
> >
> > I am getting tired of toolset vendors who offer useful products, but 
> > then cripple them and make developers lives needlessly unpleasant by 
> > only offering their products only on MS Windows.
> >
> > Messages like this one, on one toolset provider's web page bug me:
> > "We are considering a Mac OSX / Linux port of our compiler tools, 
> > including ICCV7 for ARM. There is no firm commitment yet and nothing 
> > likely to be done until toward the end of 2005."
> >
> > Take note! You will not get my business then. Don't call me, I'll 
> > call you.
> >
> > Those who use both (I have a Linux and Windows system on my
> > desk) will know that M$ Windows is an inferior development 
> > environment. Take just one example: For years now, the Linux desktop 
> > has outperformed a Windows interface that has remained stagnant more 
> > than 10 years. Both KDE or GNOME have offered a far more usable 
> > desktop, with basic features like multiple desktops and window layer 
> > control, for years.
> >
> > Then there is Linux's excellent networking, many choices of 
> > graphical file browsers, command line access, umpteen other included 
> > free tools, robustness and fundamentally designed-in defense against 
> > viruses, adware...  And why use cygwin when you can run native?
> >
> > If an ARM cross-compiler toolset is developed using one of many 
> > basic windowing libraries and with portability in mind then porting 
> > should _not_ be a major issue at all.
> >
> > Following the recent thread on dongles, It seems that some vendors 
> > are way more worried about copy-protection than building an 
> > excellent product that sells itself and that everyone will want to 
> > buy.
> >
> > In my opinion, toolset developers will lose more and more
> > (profitable) market to embedded Linux, its variants and gcc because 
> > they are invisible on the Linux development platform.
> > This is not to say that embedded Linux or complex variants are 
> > appropriate for many lower-end embedded applications. But wake up 
> > and smell the coffee! As we witness with the LPC series, silicon 
> > capability and complexity continues to increase, making higher-end 
> > environments more and more appropriate for many applications. 
> > Toolset developers stuck only on MS Windows (and sticking their 
> > customers with MS
> > Windows) will increasingly be caught between Linux for larger apps 
> > (anyone see which way cell phone companies are heading these days?) 
> > and gcc-based tools for both upper and lower end applications.
> >
> > Too bad. There's some useful toolset product development going on, 
> > but it's wasted. I would like to see some serious competition on the 
> > Linux platform and have vendors to choose from.
> >
> >   Brett
> >
> >
> >
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