Lpc2000

Jane Highland wrote:

>Charles and co,
>
>Am I correct that you are just embittered about the way the development 
>tools industry is going?
>
>I think you are are totally wrong on the subject of IDEs, and I don't 
>believe you've ever used a modern IDE  properly on a real project (from 
>start, to completion), or would ever want to.
>
>You should not be sending the wrong signals to younger generation 
>programmers who are getting used to IDE based products from birth (well 
>pretty soon in any case). Please stop this nonsense.
>  
>
Wrong signals ?

Ever run source navigator ?  Not that much different from using eclipse 
+ cdt plugin .

And what happens when those younger programmers have to work on a system 
there isn't
an ide for ? Or have to work on a product which hasn't had an ide 
developed for it yet ?

Or have to work on maintenance on a older product without an ide ?

Sorry, I can't do that, as there is no ide ?
Get real , we need to be able to work with what ever tools are available.

Ever got fimilar with using command line tools ?
Can be faster especially when compiling when you need to add or change 
options.

All depends on what you are used to and what you are allowed or have to use.

Just because someone uses an ide or not doesn't make them a better 
programmer.

>Here's what I think you should do:
>Try out Rowley Associates CrossStudio**** for a couple of projects. Let 
>everyone know at LPC2000 how you get on, and whether you still think 
>IDE's are waste of time.  You have no excuse, because there is a 30 day 
>evaluation of the FULL package available from the Rowley site which you 
>can try out:
>
<snip stuff about crossworks for arm (which I happen to be half way 
through the eval time)

Ide's can be helpful and they can be very useless , annoying and frustrating to use
(certain ide c.w)



>Cheers
>
>Jane 
>
Lets not have a religious debate. Each to their own preferences

When discussing ide's the discussion always seems to degenerate into 
emacs vs gvim/vim/vi vs ...

Alex