Lpc2000

Hi all,

I saw a post on question on SD cards and figured this group may be 
interested in checking my new chip out. It is LPC2114 chip that is 
preprogrammed with FAT file system and drivers for SD, MMC, CF, and 
hard disk drives. You can also buy development board for that chip 
or you can use the board for LPC2114 development with media cards.

Manual and website are not 100% done but they are worth checking out.

PLEASE give me feedback on what you think.

www.ghielectronics.com

Thanks,
Gus

Gus wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I saw a post on question on SD cards and figured this group may be 
> interested in checking my new chip out. It is LPC2114 chip that is 
> preprogrammed with FAT file system and drivers for SD, MMC, CF, and 
> hard disk drives. You can also buy development board for that chip 
> or you can use the board for LPC2114 development with media cards.

I've added it to the Wiki, both as a development board and under the 
entry about storage devices. Man, I need to tidy up that front page at 
some point...

Nice chip, though! I had an idea of doing something similar with 
Ethernet, too - since interfacing with an Ethernet chip seemed to 
require using up all your GPIO emulating ISA, why not have a dedicated 
network processor handling that, implementing ARP/IP/TCP/HTTP etc on its 
own address space for buffers and code, and talking back via SPI...

ABS

Gus,
It looks like an interesting product. However my needs are such that I can
not afford ($, power or space) another MCU to nothing but FAT disk
operations.  I have found several (3 vendors) that will sell a source based
FAT file system library that will support CF, SD, MMC, and IDE harddrives.
I am planning on purchasing from one these vendors for my needs. As I do not
have the time in my schedule to develop this library. I am curious on how
other developers are approaching this task of mass storage in their designs.

Joe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gus [mailto:gus_is_working@...] 
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:24 AM
> To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lpc2000] SD, MMC, CF, and hard disk on one chip
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I saw a post on question on SD cards and figured this group 
> may be interested in checking my new chip out. It is LPC2114 
> chip that is preprogrammed with FAT file system and drivers 
> for SD, MMC, CF, and hard disk drives. You can also buy 
> development board for that chip or you can use the board for 
> LPC2114 development with media cards.
> 
> Manual and website are not 100% done but they are worth checking out.
> 
> PLEASE give me feedback on what you think.
> 
> www.ghielectronics.com
> 
> Thanks,
> Gus
> 
> 
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> have the time in my schedule to develop this library. I am curious on 
how
> other developers are approaching this task of mass storage in their 
designs.

Faced with the same problem, on three occasions (for different 
employers) I have implemented my own FAT12/16/32 filesystem. No LFNs, 
though. Implementing FAT16 by itself, assuming you're familiar with the 
concepts, is about three to four days of work plus about another two 
debugging. Adding FAT12 and FAT32 are about a day and a half each.

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--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Alaric Snell-Pym <alaric@s...> wrote:
> Gus wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I saw a post on question on SD cards and figured this group may be 
> > interested in checking my new chip out. It is LPC2114 chip that is 
> > preprogrammed with FAT file system and drivers for SD, MMC, CF, and 
> > hard disk drives. You can also buy development board for that chip 
> > or you can use the board for LPC2114 development with media cards.
> 
> I've added it to the Wiki, both as a development board and under the 
> entry about storage devices. Man, I need to tidy up that front page at 
> some point...
> 
> Nice chip, though! I had an idea of doing something similar with 
> Ethernet, too - since interfacing with an Ethernet chip seemed to 
> require using up all your GPIO emulating ISA, why not have a dedicated 
> network processor handling that, implementing ARP/IP/TCP/HTTP etc on
its 
> own address space for buffers and code, and talking back via SPI...
> 
> ABS

For what you wanna do :
http://www.iinchip.com/wiznet/index.html

W3100A is a static chip than can handle 4 TCP/IP sockets via a I2C or
parallel bus and using a simple API.

Joe,

If you really think about it, ALFAT is much cheaper than FAT source 
code. Keeping in mind the cost of the time you need to put into FAT 
code to compile it and fir it on your chip. ALFAT is much easier and 
cheaper.

If you decided to make your woen binary files, you can also get 
Media DEV board that we offer to test your code.

Gus 

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Hlebasko" <jhlebasko@i...> 
wrote:
> Gus,
> It looks like an interesting product. However my needs are such 
that I can
> not afford ($, power or space) another MCU to nothing but FAT disk
> operations.  I have found several (3 vendors) that will sell a 
source based
> FAT file system library that will support CF, SD, MMC, and IDE 
harddrives.
> I am planning on purchasing from one these vendors for my needs. 
As I do not
> have the time in my schedule to develop this library. I am curious 
on how
> other developers are approaching this task of mass storage in 
their designs.
> 
> Joe
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gus [mailto:gus_is_working@y...] 
> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:24 AM
> > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [lpc2000] SD, MMC, CF, and hard disk on one chip
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I saw a post on question on SD cards and figured this group 
> > may be interested in checking my new chip out. It is LPC2114 
> > chip that is preprogrammed with FAT file system and drivers 
> > for SD, MMC, CF, and hard disk drives. You can also buy 
> > development board for that chip or you can use the board for 
> > LPC2114 development with media cards.
> > 
> > Manual and website are not 100% done but they are worth checking 
out.
> > 
> > PLEASE give me feedback on what you think.
> > 
> > www.ghielectronics.com
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Gus
> > 
> > 
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Gus,
It also depends on volume of the product. If I was planning on selling low
volume (<150) per year then I think a solution like your chip could make
sense. Any volume higher (>150) it would make sense to purchase a source
code library.  A $25 chip cost is a fixed cost to a product.  The source
code cost is paid for, and would not incur on going costs to theproduct.
Benefits include: less board space, you have control of the source to
add/remove features as needed, less power consumed by the board.

So a lot of this comes down to what the are the development constraints:
time (do you have the time to incorporate FAT code into your app) and target
product cost.

I am considering to purchase one your development board to use for a test
platform for my code.

Joe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gus [mailto:gus_is_working@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:18 AM
> To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lpc2000] Re: SD, MMC, CF, and hard disk on one chip
> 
> Joe,
> 
> If you really think about it, ALFAT is much cheaper than FAT 
> source code. Keeping in mind the cost of the time you need to 
> put into FAT code to compile it and fir it on your chip. 
> ALFAT is much easier and cheaper.
> 
> If you decided to make your woen binary files, you can also 
> get Media DEV board that we offer to test your code.
> 
> Gus 
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Hlebasko" <jhlebasko@i...>
> wrote:
> > Gus,
> > It looks like an interesting product. However my needs are such
> that I can
> > not afford ($, power or space) another MCU to nothing but FAT disk 
> > operations.  I have found several (3 vendors) that will sell a
> source based
> > FAT file system library that will support CF, SD, MMC, and IDE
> harddrives.
> > I am planning on purchasing from one these vendors for my needs. 
> As I do not
> > have the time in my schedule to develop this library. I am curious
> on how
> > other developers are approaching this task of mass storage in
> their designs.
> > 
> > Joe
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gus [mailto:gus_is_working@y...]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:24 AM
> > > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [lpc2000] SD, MMC, CF, and hard disk on one chip
> > > 
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > I saw a post on question on SD cards and figured this 
> group may be 
> > > interested in checking my new chip out. It is LPC2114 
> chip that is 
> > > preprogrammed with FAT file system and drivers for SD, 
> MMC, CF, and 
> > > hard disk drives. You can also buy development board for 
> that chip 
> > > or you can use the board for
> > > LPC2114 development with media cards.
> > > 
> > > Manual and website are not 100% done but they are worth checking
> out.
> > > 
> > > PLEASE give me feedback on what you think.
> > > 
> > > www.ghielectronics.com
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Gus
> > > 
> > > 
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Joe,

I agree with you. We are considering selling a "FAT development 
package" that comes with the board and the source code for low price 
for non-commercial use. What is your opinion on this?


Gus

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Hlebasko" <jhlebasko@i...> 
wrote:
> Gus,
> It also depends on volume of the product. If I was planning on 
selling low
> volume (<150) per year then I think a solution like your chip 
could make
> sense. Any volume higher (>150) it would make sense to purchase a 
source
> code library.  A $25 chip cost is a fixed cost to a product.  The 
source
> code cost is paid for, and would not incur on going costs to 
theproduct.
> Benefits include: less board space, you have control of the source 
to
> add/remove features as needed, less power consumed by the board.
> 
> So a lot of this comes down to what the are the development 
constraints:
> time (do you have the time to incorporate FAT code into your app) 
and target
> product cost.
> 
> I am considering to purchase one your development board to use for 
a test
> platform for my code.
> 
> Joe
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gus [mailto:gus_is_working@y...] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:18 AM
> > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [lpc2000] Re: SD, MMC, CF, and hard disk on one chip
> > 
> > Joe,
> > 
> > If you really think about it, ALFAT is much cheaper than FAT 
> > source code. Keeping in mind the cost of the time you need to 
> > put into FAT code to compile it and fir it on your chip. 
> > ALFAT is much easier and cheaper.
> > 
> > If you decided to make your woen binary files, you can also 
> > get Media DEV board that we offer to test your code.
> > 
> > Gus 
> > 
> > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Hlebasko" <jhlebasko@i...>
> > wrote:
> > > Gus,
> > > It looks like an interesting product. However my needs are such
> > that I can
> > > not afford ($, power or space) another MCU to nothing but FAT 
disk 
> > > operations.  I have found several (3 vendors) that will sell a
> > source based
> > > FAT file system library that will support CF, SD, MMC, and IDE
> > harddrives.
> > > I am planning on purchasing from one these vendors for my 
needs. 
> > As I do not
> > > have the time in my schedule to develop this library. I am 
curious
> > on how
> > > other developers are approaching this task of mass storage in
> > their designs.
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gus [mailto:gus_is_working@y...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:24 AM
> > > > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [lpc2000] SD, MMC, CF, and hard disk on one chip
> > > > 
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > I saw a post on question on SD cards and figured this 
> > group may be 
> > > > interested in checking my new chip out. It is LPC2114 
> > chip that is 
> > > > preprogrammed with FAT file system and drivers for SD, 
> > MMC, CF, and 
> > > > hard disk drives. You can also buy development board for 
> > that chip 
> > > > or you can use the board for
> > > > LPC2114 development with media cards.
> > > > 
> > > > Manual and website are not 100% done but they are worth 
checking
> > out.
> > > > 
> > > > PLEASE give me feedback on what you think.
> > > > 
> > > > www.ghielectronics.com
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Gus
> > > > 
> > > > 
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Gus,
It all depends on what you mean by "low price". What would it cost to use
the source in a commercial product?  I would be concerned with people buying
the low-cost non-commercial and using it in a commercial product.  

Good luck with your venture.

Joe 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gus [mailto:gus_is_working@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:28 AM
> To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lpc2000] Re: SD, MMC, CF, and hard disk on one chip
> 
> Joe,
> 
> I agree with you. We are considering selling a "FAT 
> development package" that comes with the board and the source 
> code for low price for non-commercial use. What is your 
> opinion on this?
> 
> 
> Gus
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Hlebasko" <jhlebasko@i...>
> wrote:
> > Gus,
> > It also depends on volume of the product. If I was planning on
> selling low
> > volume (<150) per year then I think a solution like your chip
> could make
> > sense. Any volume higher (>150) it would make sense to purchase a
> source
> > code library.  A $25 chip cost is a fixed cost to a product.  The
> source
> > code cost is paid for, and would not incur on going costs to
> theproduct.
> > Benefits include: less board space, you have control of the source
> to
> > add/remove features as needed, less power consumed by the board.
> > 
> > So a lot of this comes down to what the are the development
> constraints:
> > time (do you have the time to incorporate FAT code into your app)
> and target
> > product cost.
> > 
> > I am considering to purchase one your development board to use for
> a test
> > platform for my code.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gus [mailto:gus_is_working@y...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:18 AM
> > > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [lpc2000] Re: SD, MMC, CF, and hard disk on one chip
> > > 
> > > Joe,
> > > 
> > > If you really think about it, ALFAT is much cheaper than 
> FAT source 
> > > code. Keeping in mind the cost of the time you need to 
> put into FAT 
> > > code to compile it and fir it on your chip.
> > > ALFAT is much easier and cheaper.
> > > 
> > > If you decided to make your woen binary files, you can also get 
> > > Media DEV board that we offer to test your code.
> > > 
> > > Gus
> > > 
> > > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Hlebasko" <jhlebasko@i...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Gus,
> > > > It looks like an interesting product. However my needs are such
> > > that I can
> > > > not afford ($, power or space) another MCU to nothing but FAT
> disk 
> > > > operations.  I have found several (3 vendors) that will sell a
> > > source based
> > > > FAT file system library that will support CF, SD, MMC, and IDE
> > > harddrives.
> > > > I am planning on purchasing from one these vendors for my
> needs. 
> > > As I do not
> > > > have the time in my schedule to develop this library. I am
> curious
> > > on how
> > > > other developers are approaching this task of mass storage in
> > > their designs.
> > > > 
> > > > Joe
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Gus [mailto:gus_is_working@y...]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:24 AM
> > > > > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [lpc2000] SD, MMC, CF, and hard disk on one chip
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I saw a post on question on SD cards and figured this
> > > group may be
> > > > > interested in checking my new chip out. It is LPC2114
> > > chip that is
> > > > > preprogrammed with FAT file system and drivers for SD,
> > > MMC, CF, and
> > > > > hard disk drives. You can also buy development board for
> > > that chip
> > > > > or you can use the board for
> > > > > LPC2114 development with media cards.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Manual and website are not 100% done but they are worth
> checking
> > > out.
> > > > > 
> > > > > PLEASE give me feedback on what you think.
> > > > > 
> > > > > www.ghielectronics.com
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Gus
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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