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Does my limited capacity for intelligent thought deceive me, or is Paul 
H making the case for a better way to handle the V-Drum pads than a 
V-Drum controller?  Frankly, I do not have the h/w design expertise to 
even go near a project of that complexity.

And it sounds like my application is poles apart from Paul H's.  I am an 
improvising performance based musician who virtually never records the 
stuff I do.  My work has sometimes been confused with performance art, 
rather than a concert in the strictest sense.  I need something that 
will allow me to trigger a variety of patches from a variety of pads in 
real time.

Currently the technology that seems to be recommended is Pad to MIDI to 
CV (assuming that I can split MIDI notes onto a variety of CV/triggers 
etc).   Tanking MIDI altogether has a certain conceptual elegance.  But 
the MIDI step does allow for all kinds of control freakyness!

PLL, BFG

Paul Haneberg wrote:

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> I have a lot of complaints with the way V-Drums do Midi.
> When I record V-drums I record the midi stream, but I also record each
> pad to its own audio channel.
> When I go to edit, I make multiple copies of the midi track, because the
> midi track has so much undocumented junk that I often can't tell which
> drum is which.  So I compare the timing of the midi hits with the audio
> track for each drum and edit till I have a separate midi track for each
> drum.  Then I put them all back together into one midi track.
> Then I either feed that back into the V-Drums or I use BFD (which sound
> far more natural.)
> Usually I end up using mostly BFD stuff, but mixing in some V-Drum,
> particularly on the kick.
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> This is all very time consuming, but I like the result.  Even when
> recording real drums I often will augment them with V-Drum samples.
> Usually I use sound replacer for that, but sometimes I'll EQ and gate a
> drum track till I have one drum pretty well isolated, then I feed the
> audio signal into the one of the Aux inputs on the V-Drum head.
>
> This give me a midi signal, which I then edit.  (The V-Drum head needs
> to be adjusted to treat the audio signal with the right amount of
> sensitivity and to minimize multiple triggers.)  Then I use it to
> trigger something else such as BFD.
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> There ought to be a better way, but I haven't found it yet.
>
> Paul Haneberg
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Greg Amann
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:00 AM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] V-Drums with modulars Redux
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> It sure has a certain romance to tank MIDI entirely and trigger the
> modular from the V-Drums directly.  It also sounds like solving the
> technical issues to get it to work in a performance setting would
> consume A LOT of time and money and, in the end, be re-inventing the
> wheel that Roland has spent years perfecting.  I assume that Paul
> agrees with this since his silence after my original post was
> deafening.  ;-)
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> So now the technical problem is this:  drum brains allow you to
> transmit any MIDI note you want, but they do not allow you to transmit
> the various pads on various MIDI channels.  So I will need a MIDI to
> CV converter that allows me to split the MIDI stream based on MIDI
> notes.  Will the MOTM-650 allow me to send MIDI note "x" to CV1 and
> MIDI note "y" to CV2 etc. when "x" and "y" are on the same MIDI channel?
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> PLL, BFG
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> PS: When does the MOTM-650 begin shipping?  I ask this out of
> curiousity with no intent to torture poor 'ol Pauly. 
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