MOTM

Doesn't Southwest Micro have something like a MIDI splitter designed
for drums?  Also, I thought PAIA had a drum brain thingy that did
trigger to MIDI...

Mike

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Haneberg" <phaneber@o...> wrote:
> The elegant solution is definitely to go directly from the pads to the
> modular via some sort of interface.
> 
> Theoretically, midi could be better because you could do splits based on
> velocity.  Really what you want is a discrete trigger for each pad hit,
> but also a CV output proportional to the velocity of the hit.  With the
> V-drums the potential is also there for some kind of CV based on the
> position of the stick on the pad.
> 
> You could have several trigger outputs selected on the basis of velocity
> as well.  The problem is, as you say building an interface.
> 
> Alternatively you could use some sort of midi processor to generate the
> splits, and possibly get what you want by using it in conjunction with
> the 650.
> 
> I don't know a midi processor off the top of my head that will do this,
> other than the Opcode Studio 5, which is obsolete, and requires a Mac
> and the Opcode Patch Editor software to program.  This is what I use.  I
> have 2 I use and 1 I keep for parts that no longer works.  They are
> quite cranky and obstinate pieces of gear, but they are great when they
> work.
> 
> It may be possible to generate some usable control signals using a
> combination of the S&H in the 101, an 850 and possibly a 700, but the
> signal from the pad may need to be amplified first.
> 
> If I think of anything else I'll let you know.
> 
> Paul Haneberg
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Amann [mailto:greg.amann@s...] 
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:54 AM
> To: Paul Haneberg
> Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] V-Drums with modulars Redux
> 
> Does my limited capacity for intelligent thought deceive me, or is Paul 
> H making the case for a better way to handle the V-Drum pads than a 
> V-Drum controller?  Frankly, I do not have the h/w design expertise to 
> even go near a project of that complexity.
> 
> And it sounds like my application is poles apart from Paul H's.  I am an
> 
> improvising performance based musician who virtually never records the 
> stuff I do.  My work has sometimes been confused with performance art, 
> rather than a concert in the strictest sense.  I need something that 
> will allow me to trigger a variety of patches from a variety of pads in 
> real time.
> 
> Currently the technology that seems to be recommended is Pad to MIDI to 
> CV (assuming that I can split MIDI notes onto a variety of CV/triggers 
> etc).   Tanking MIDI altogether has a certain conceptual elegance.  But 
> the MIDI step does allow for all kinds of control freakyness!
> 
> PLL, BFG
> 
> Paul Haneberg wrote:
> 
> >
> > I have a lot of complaints with the way V-Drums do Midi.
> > When I record V-drums I record the midi stream, but I also record each
> > pad to its own audio channel.
> > When I go to edit, I make multiple copies of the midi track, because
> the
> > midi track has so much undocumented junk that I often can't tell which
> > drum is which.  So I compare the timing of the midi hits with the
> audio
> > track for each drum and edit till I have a separate midi track for
> each
> > drum.  Then I put them all back together into one midi track.
> > Then I either feed that back into the V-Drums or I use BFD (which
> sound
> > far more natural.)
> > Usually I end up using mostly BFD stuff, but mixing in some V-Drum,
> > particularly on the kick.
> >
> > This is all very time consuming, but I like the result.  Even when
> > recording real drums I often will augment them with V-Drum samples.
> > Usually I use sound replacer for that, but sometimes I'll EQ and gate
> a
> > drum track till I have one drum pretty well isolated, then I feed the
> > audio signal into the one of the Aux inputs on the V-Drum head.
> >
> > This give me a midi signal, which I then edit.  (The V-Drum head needs
> > to be adjusted to treat the audio signal with the right amount of
> > sensitivity and to minimize multiple triggers.)  Then I use it to
> > trigger something else such as BFD.
> >
> > There ought to be a better way, but I haven't found it yet.
> >
> > Paul Haneberg
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Greg Amann
> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:00 AM
> > To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [motm] V-Drums with modulars Redux
> >
> > It sure has a certain romance to tank MIDI entirely and trigger the
> > modular from the V-Drums directly.  It also sounds like solving the
> > technical issues to get it to work in a performance setting would
> > consume A LOT of time and money and, in the end, be re-inventing the
> > wheel that Roland has spent years perfecting.  I assume that Paul
> > agrees with this since his silence after my original post was
> > deafening.  ;-)
> >
> > So now the technical problem is this:  drum brains allow you to
> > transmit any MIDI note you want, but they do not allow you to transmit
> > the various pads on various MIDI channels.  So I will need a MIDI to
> > CV converter that allows me to split the MIDI stream based on MIDI
> > notes.  Will the MOTM-650 allow me to send MIDI note "x" to CV1 and
> > MIDI note "y" to CV2 etc. when "x" and "y" are on the same MIDI
> channel?
> >
> > PLL, BFG
> >
> > PS: When does the MOTM-650 begin shipping?  I ask this out of
> > curiousity with no intent to torture poor 'ol Pauly. 
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