MOTM

Hello list members, 

What would everyone think of a MOTM Vocoder module?

How about a panel designed to accomodate the Kenton Pro Solo Midi-CV?

What do you think Paul?

Mark T

1) A vocoder is a massive analog undertaking. Rather, let's everyone answer
this:

Is a killer MOTM vocoder kit worth $500?

2) I will have a set of ears for a Pro-2000 to bring out the 1/8" jacks to
1/4" jacks. I will
look into a pro-solo thing. Maybe Kenton will sell me the "guts" (no case)
and I can
make up my own panel.

Any interest???

Paul S.

-----Original Message-----
From: mmt <mmt@...>
To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:41 PM

Subject: [motm] MOTM Module Ideas


>From: "mmt" <mmt@...>
>
>
>
>Hello list members,
>
>What would everyone think of a MOTM Vocoder module?
>
>How about a panel designed to accomodate the Kenton Pro Solo Midi-CV?
>
>What do you think Paul?
>
>Mark T
>
>
>
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I'd be more interested in a Pro-2000 Panel.  Even if it were 3 spaces wide.
With 1/4" jacks for all the outputs.

Steve

Paul Schreiber wrote:

> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> 1) A vocoder is a massive analog undertaking. Rather, let's everyone answer
> this:
>
> Is a killer MOTM vocoder kit worth $500?
>
> 2) I will have a set of ears for a Pro-2000 to bring out the 1/8" jacks to
> 1/4" jacks. I will
> look into a pro-solo thing. Maybe Kenton will sell me the "guts" (no case)
> and I can
> make up my own panel.
>
> Any interest???
>
> Paul S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mmt <mmt@...>
> To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:41 PM
> Subject: [motm] MOTM Module Ideas
>
> >From: "mmt" <mmt@...>
> >
> >
> >
> >Hello list members,
> >
> >What would everyone think of a MOTM Vocoder module?
> >
> >How about a panel designed to accomodate the Kenton Pro Solo Midi-CV?
> >
> >What do you think Paul?
> >
> >Mark T
> >
> >
> >
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I'd GLADLY pay $500 for a killer vocoder kit!!!

Steve

Paul Schreiber wrote:

> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> 1) A vocoder is a massive analog undertaking. Rather, let's everyone answer
> this:
>
> Is a killer MOTM vocoder kit worth $500?
>
> 2) I will have a set of ears for a Pro-2000 to bring out the 1/8" jacks to
> 1/4" jacks. I will
> look into a pro-solo thing. Maybe Kenton will sell me the "guts" (no case)
> and I can
> make up my own panel.
>
> Any interest???
>
> Paul S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mmt <mmt@...>
> To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:41 PM
> Subject: [motm] MOTM Module Ideas
>
> >From: "mmt" <mmt@...>
> >
> >
> >
> >Hello list members,
> >
> >What would everyone think of a MOTM Vocoder module?
> >
> >How about a panel designed to accomodate the Kenton Pro Solo Midi-CV?
> >
> >What do you think Paul?
> >
> >Mark T
> >
> >
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Hi All !

The Pro-one is a good controller, i own one, but i reckon it's a bit 
limiting for a serious modular .  Now what would be really nice, is 
the guts of a Pro-2000 behind some module panel (would depend on the 
size of the pcb, dunno) .  (and a way for us Europeans to get sent 
the guts directly, no need to go transatlantic twice :) )

Vocoder ?  Hmmm...  Very much "en vogue" these days, but Cher's was 
done using a Digitalker pedal :)  I'd vote against it, for now .

In keeping with the philosophy of MOTM, this one should offer the 
lot, with every element accessible, so non vocoding applications 
would be possible .  Fully tunable filters, filter in outs, env 
detect in outs, vca in outs, but normalised and with switchable 
vocode setting and, importantly, a good voiced/unvoiced detector with 
extensive substitution .  Figure 12 to 16 (or more ?) bands, and that 
usd500 looks optimistic .  The scope (and quality) of this thing 
should be big Sennheiser, EMS or Synton .  There are enough lower end 
vocoders on the market right now .

Take care .


Keep 'em oscillating :)


Hugo
=

Paul,
  There is one module I forgot to mention. There is a Serge
module called a UAP (?). Seems like a great Swiss Army knife.
It is basically an self retriggering AR. So it can be used
as an AR, a LFO, etc. By adjusting attack and release you
can get various waveforms. These may have been voltage
controllable. It has a trigger out when the release cycle 
ends so that it can retrigger itself. I believe it could
also be used as a VCO, when exact tracking wasn't required.
I can try to dig out a better description. Can any Serge users
on the list give more info.

It's not exactly a sexy module, but I remember Serge 
suggesting several of them in every system.

Sounds like one of those modules you never quite figure
out all the uses.

Thomas

Steve wrote:
> 
> From: Steve <eboyz@...>
> 
> I'd be more interested in a Pro-2000 Panel.  Even if it were 3 spaces wide.
> With 1/4" jacks for all the outputs.
> 
I'll second this.

Thomas

I would also buy a vocoder - probably 2.

Dan.

Steve wrote:

> From: Steve <eboyz@...>
>
> I'd GLADLY pay $500 for a killer vocoder kit!!!
>
> Steve
>
> Paul Schreiber wrote:
>
> > From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
> >
> > 1) A vocoder is a massive analog undertaking. Rather, let's everyone answer
> > this:
> >
> > Is a killer MOTM vocoder kit worth $500?
> >
> > 2) I will have a set of ears for a Pro-2000 to bring out the 1/8" jacks to
> > 1/4" jacks. I will
> > look into a pro-solo thing. Maybe Kenton will sell me the "guts" (no case)
> > and I can
> > make up my own panel.
> >
> > Any interest???
> >
> > Paul S.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mmt <mmt@...>
> > To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:41 PM
> > Subject: [motm] MOTM Module Ideas
> >
> > >From: "mmt" <mmt@...>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Hello list members,
> > >
> > >What would everyone think of a MOTM Vocoder module?
> > >
> > >How about a panel designed to accomodate the Kenton Pro Solo Midi-CV?
> > >
> > >What do you think Paul?
> > >
> > >Mark T
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> 1) A vocoder is a massive analog undertaking. Rather, let's
> everyone answer
> this:
>
> Is a killer MOTM vocoder kit worth $500?

Probably yes, however, to me it's WAY down the priority list past MOAS!
After we get some filter choices, sequencers should be next!!!!!!!

> 2) I will have a set of ears for a Pro-2000 to bring out the 1/8" jacks to
> 1/4" jacks. I will
> look into a pro-solo thing. Maybe Kenton will sell me the "guts" (no case)
> and I can
> make up my own panel.
>
> Any interest???

Unless somebody can point out the benefits of Kenton to me, I'll probably go
with the Encore Expressionist.

Dave Bradley
Principal Software Engineer
Engineering Animation, Inc.
daveb@...

YES! I've been thinking about this one too, and also keep forgetting to
mention it.

>   There is one module I forgot to mention. There is a Serge
> module called a UAP (?). Seems like a great Swiss Army knife.

Dave Bradley
Principal Software Engineer
Engineering Animation, Inc.
daveb@...

> 1) A vocoder is a massive analog undertaking. Rather, let's everyone
answer
> this:
> Is a killer MOTM vocoder kit worth $500?

Not for me.  I find a vocoder is something I will use only occasionally.  I
have the PAiA vocoder and like it fine.  I really don't need a "killer"
vocoder.  I know the MOTM vocoder would be GREAT, but let's ask this
question again in 6 months after we are getting our racks stuffed with more
stuff that we will use every day.

> 2) I will have a set of ears for a Pro-2000 to bring out the 1/8" jacks
to
> 1/4" jacks. I will look into a pro-solo thing. Maybe Kenton will sell me
the "guts" (no case)
> and I can make up my own panel.
> Any interest???

I have absolutely no interest in the pro-solo thing.  However, I am
interested in the Pro-2000 ears that make it rack mountable and provide the
front panel 1/4" jacks.  I would buy that.

Larry Hendry

At 06:40 AM 3/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Thomas Hudson <thudson@...>
>
>
>Paul,
>  There is one module I forgot to mention. There is a Serge
>module called a UAP (?). Seems like a great Swiss Army knife.

its the "dual universal slope generator" and its probley one of the
most powerfull cv generator's ever made,i liked it a lot.
i would realy like to see a MOTM like module.

thanx
Gur Milstein

At 11:32 PM 3/3/99 -0600, you wrote:
>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
>1) A vocoder is a massive analog undertaking. Rather, let's everyone answer
>this:
>
>Is a killer MOTM vocoder kit worth $500?

i dont think its the right time for vocoder lets ferst fenish other importent
moduls for the modular ,quantizers,vc adsr,simple low cost vca,vc mixer,
simple analog sequencer......etc
>
>2) I will have a set of ears for a Pro-2000 to bring out the 1/8" jacks to
>1/4" jacks. I will
>look into a pro-solo thing. Maybe Kenton will sell me the "guts" (no case)
>and I can
>make up my own panel.
>
i work analog sequencing.


thanx 
Gur Milstein

As I dust my brain from time to time I sweep out things cluttering my 
neurons, to make room for newer ideas.  Here are few ideas for modules that 
I'll probably never have time to follow up with, but still think have value:


1) Vocal-Tract Filter: (Was reminded of this with the recent post of the 
vocal-formants reference.)  The gist of this idea would have an input 
connected to a set of VC filters comprising a responding filter bank.  There 
would be a single knob (and CV input) to morph the filter bank response 
between the various vocal formants. 1-2 on the knob might be "uuu", 3-4 might 
be "aahh", 5-6 would be "oooh", and so on.  There could be another knob (and 
attending CV input) to select the frequency base for the formants: baritone 
versus soprano versus tenor, and so on.  Then a third knob (and attending CV 
input) would be an emphasis control that varied the intensity of the effect.  
And of course there would a mix knob that adjusted the wet/dry ratios.  I 
think that would be a useful module.

This module could be realized in a variety of ways.  If I were doing it, I 
would use something like 4, MOTM-420-like filter sections reconfigured to 
provide a bandpass response and voltage controlled "Q".  All 4 filters would 
be parallel connected on the input side and mixed on the outputs through a 
quad VCA chip.  The "magic" would be performed with a PIC processor that has 
A/D inputs.  By some empirical study, one could probably come up with a state 
table that depicts the required Q, resonant frequency, and mix level for each 
filter section, to yield the desired formant at the selected 
bass/tenor/soprano settings.  The emphasis control would cause the PIC to 
increase the "Q" of certain filter sections to highlight that portion of the 
formant.  By putting a PIC in-between the control inputs and the filters 
themselves, many desired responses could be synthesized: All filter functions 
would be under the auspices of the PIC.  Add a few toggle switches and some 
additional code in the PIC, and one could select between a "vocal-tract 
filter" and a number of other filter arrangements.  This could be built 
rather inexpensively, too.  The truly difficult portions would be lines of 
code inside a PIC.


2) JH Scanner Module: The "scanner" described on Juergen Haible's website 
would make a dandy module by itself.  There would be four or eight inputs 
that can be "morphed" between, under voltage control.  Maybe input 1 is your 
buzzy, unfiltered sawtooth from the primary 300 VCO.  Then input 2 might be a 
hard-sync'd second 300 VCO pulse output.  The third input might be from a 440 
tracking filter output that is swept in a standard "beeoooowww" arrangement.  
The fourth input might be from your 110 ring modulator.  With a single 
control voltage, the lone output (or output pair) could morph between the 
various combinations of mixed inputs at the mercy of an envelope generator.  
I think that, that would be a killer module and Juergen has already done it 
(more or less)!  Using a quad VCA chip coupled with a clever control circuit 
is nothing short of brilliant.  Sounds like a 500-series module to me.


3) Universal Synthesis Module: This module could process audio in unlimited 
ways... literally.  Base a MOTM-format module on a DSP "Evaluation Board" 
from TI or National Semiconductor.  (All these boards can have DSP algorithms 
downloaded from a PC.)  Since a DSP is the ultimate in sound mangling 
devices, it is a natural.  The idea is that a cottage business could be 
created developing downloadable functional bits for this module.  Maybe even 
create a subscription service.  Initially, the module would be equipped with 
various reverbs, phasers, flangers, Leslie speaker simulators, and so on, as 
the standard fare.  Downloaded code chunks could increase the repertoire of 
effects possible.  The additional algorithms would be saved in flash memory 
(very cheap these days).  There could even be a front panel accessible socket 
to allow the insertion of memory cards like those used on digital cameras.  
They could store a ton of algorithms.  Maybe add a MIDI interface and have a 
playback-sampler kind of oscillator - sort of a 300/MiniWave on steroids.  
Add a jack for footswitch control and an LED display, and you'd have 
something useful in a live situation.

Food for thought or ramblings of a madman?  What's the difference?

Cheers!
Tom Farrand

mbedtom@... writes:

>>1) Vocal-Tract Filter: (Was reminded of this with the recent post of the 
vocal-formants reference.)  The gist of this idea would have an input 
connected to a set of VC filters comprising a responding filter bank.  There 
would be a single knob (and CV input) to morph the filter bank response 
between the various vocal formants. 1-2 on the knob might be "uuu", 3-4 might 
be "aahh", 5-6 would be "oooh", and so on.<<

Some of these things get to be a little impractical for the analog world and 
limited sales potential.  But if you're willing to go digital, Emu's Z-plane 
filter does pretty much what you mention.  It allows morphing between 
multi-frequency bands.  They used to sell a rackmount unit that did it.  Now 
you probably need to buy one of their samplers to get that function.  My E4K 
has it.

>>2) JH Scanner Module: The "scanner" described on Juergen Haible's website 
would make a dandy module by itself.  There would be four or eight inputs 
that can be "morphed" between, under voltage control.<<

If you don't mind mixing in modules from other manufacturers, probably the 
only way you'll get that feature is to buy Doepfer's two module set.

>>3) Universal Synthesis Module: This module could process audio in unlimited 
ways... literally.  Base a MOTM-format module on a DSP "Evaluation Board" 
from TI or National Semiconductor.  (All these boards can have DSP algorithms 
downloaded from a PC.)  Since a DSP is the ultimate in sound mangling 
devices, it is a natural.  The idea is that a cottage business could be 
created developing downloadable functional bits for this module.  Maybe even 
create a subscription service.  Initially, the module would be equipped with 
various reverbs, phasers, flangers, Leslie speaker simulators, and so on, as 
the standard fare.<<

Could be interesting, although a separate digital effects unit that can be 
bought anywhere could handle most of the basics you mention.  However it does 
remind me of a certain Wild Card module I thought about once.  With a bunch 
of audio/control input and output jacks, it could be programmed to do many 
different module functions.  For instance if a person needed another mixer in 
a patch, he just turns the rotary dial to "mixer" and the module now becomes 
a mixer.  Or an LFO, VCA, Oscillator or anything.

-Elhardt

On Tuesday, June 18, 2002, at 01:28 AM, elhardt@... wrote:

> mbedtom@... writes:
>
>>> 1) Vocal-Tract Filter: (Was reminded of this with the recent post of 
>>> the
> vocal-formants reference.)  The gist of this idea would have an input
> connected to a set of VC filters comprising a responding filter bank.  
> There
> would be a single knob (and CV input) to morph the filter bank response
> between the various vocal formants. 1-2 on the knob might be "uuu", 3-4 
> might
> be "aahh", 5-6 would be "oooh", and so on.<<
>
> Some of these things get to be a little impractical for the analog 
> world and
> limited sales potential.  But if you're willing to go digital, Emu's 
> Z-plane
> filter does pretty much what you mention.  It allows morphing between
> multi-frequency bands.  They used to sell a rackmount unit that did 
> it.  Now
> you probably need to buy one of their samplers to get that function.  
> My E4K
> has it.
>
I have the UltraProteus and it is the only digital synth I've ever 
liked. It is
basically a Morpheus with extra samples. The Z plane filters are really
great and bizarre. You can pick these up on eBay for under $200:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=883752164

They are definitely worth it at that price.

Of course they sound even better when processed by MOTM filters.


TH

Yes, I plan a 500-Series, Super Duper Interpolating Scanner for next year.

So many modules, so little time.

On THAT front: I have signed an "outsourcing" contract to assist in backlog ruduction and kit
shipment!

Paul S.

YES !!!   YES !!!   YES !!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
Yes, I plan a 500-Series, Super Duper Interpolating Scanner for next year.