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Re: mine and other peoples business..

2005-12-21 by Steve Maietta

Paul, keep up the good work. . It's -GREAT- work!!

So obviously if you sell 100 of a module its alot easier to stomach than if you think only 10 will sell. Is there (maybe Paul II can chime in here) a way to decently accurately gague the cost per module at a certain # of units sold? So lets say you introduce an idea for a module "XFG Allterrain LFO" Its the wackiest by far, who knows how many will sell. Now lets say you want a show of hands who would buy it by asking for $150 down payment. Is there a way to chart the final price of the module on a module by module basis, or say in groups of ten? "If I sell 100 theyre going to be $175 ea, if I sell 75 theyre going to be $200, If I sell 25 theyre going to be $350 ea.. ? Or, "Okay guys 35 people have put deposits down, theyre currently at around $300 ea, but if I can get 15 more people to put $150 down, then theyre going to be $275"

I know you dont like taking money and getting bitched at, totally understandable, and this will be more work, but it might be a way of getting modules going on a demand basis.. maybe it could be used for those modules "in the pipeline" (500 series,)? any thoughts?

happy holidays!

Any info leaks about the Frack modules?? prelim sneak peeks?

~Steve

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RE: [motm] Re: mine and other peoples business..

2005-12-21 by Paul Haneberg

I guess I'm Paul II so I'll chime in.
 
It would be nearly impossible to put together the sort of projection you
suggest.
Why?
Because so many parts are common to more than one module.
For instance the same knobs and jacks are used on all modules and are
always purchased in large quantities.
Semiconductors may be common to several modules, or may be unique to
one.
Sometimes we might buy 1000 of a given semi, other times it might be 25.
It depends on the total demand for that part in all MOTM modules, not
just one.
And that demand changes over time, so the cost of producing each module
varies.
 
Paul S. has very cleverly standardized as many parts as possible.
 
So the question is what is unique to a give module?  What parts are not
standard?
 
The panel and PCB are always unique.  Also unique are the soft costs,
such as Paul's time to do the design, PCB layout etc.
 
The PCB is not as big of an issue as the panel.
 
Stooge Moe and I are working very hard to put together a new paradigm
for making panels.  (How I hate that word!)
 
At the present time, the break point for having panels made at a
reasonable cost is 50.  We would like to lower that break point as much
as possible and even get it down to 1.  If we succeed, the cost of a
custom made Stooge Panel will drop significantly.
The number of a given module that Paul S. must sell to make a profit
will also drop somewhat.
 
But Paul S. must still sell a minimum number in order to recoup his
design costs. So the break point will never drop below a certain
minimum.
 
Paul H.  (aka Paul II)  (aka Stooge Paul)

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Subject: [motm] Re: mine and other peoples business..

Paul, keep up the good work. .    It's -GREAT- work!!

So obviously if you sell 100 of a module its alot easier to stomach than
if you think only 10 will sell.  Is there (maybe Paul II can chime in
here) a way to decently accurately gague the cost per module at a
certain # of units sold?  So lets say you introduce an idea for a module
"XFG Allterrain LFO"  Its the wackiest by far, who knows how many will
sell.  Now lets say you want a show of hands who would buy it by asking
for $150 down payment.  Is there a way to chart the final price of the
module on a module by module basis, or say in groups of ten?  "If I sell
100 theyre going to be $175 ea, if I sell 75 theyre going to be $200, If
I sell 25 theyre going to be $350 ea..  ?   Or, "Okay guys 35 people
have put deposits down, theyre currently at around $300 ea, but if I can
get 15 more people to put $150 down, then theyre going to be $275"  

I know you dont like taking money and getting bitched at, totally
understandable, and this will be more work, but it might be a way of
getting modules going on a demand basis..  maybe it could be used for
those modules "in the pipeline" (500 series,)?  any thoughts?

happy holidays!

Any info leaks about the Frack modules??  prelim sneak peeks?

~Steve
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