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2006-01-26 by Paul Schreiber
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2645 Note: you have to select the video from a drop-down list and *wait* about 5 seconds to have it respond. I had some trouble with Windoze player, the Real Player and QuickTime worked fine. Robert, always the "optimist", hopes to have it shipping by summer. I'll ship 100 by April 1 :) The video is about 12 down on the list. Paul S.
2006-01-26 by Greg Amann
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2645
Note: you have to select the video from a drop-down list and *wait* about 5
seconds to have it respond. I had some trouble with Windoze player, the Real
Player and QuickTime worked fine. Robert, always the "optimist", hopes to have
it shipping by summer. I'll ship 100 by April 1 :)
The video is about 12 down on the list.
Paul S.
2006-01-26 by leitner6
I watched the video but haven't been keeping up on the 650 features. Can you use the 650 to emulate a Korg Mono/poly? Basically the 4 VCO CVs use whatever voice assigning algorithm. But then for the other CVs a single voice would be assigned to highest or last note. I suppose you could use a mixer to sum the CVs. From the video it looks like the arrpegiator can do the cycling through the voices like the mono/poly does, which is really cool.
2006-01-27 by Geoff
Yeah, this pretty much sold the module to me. I'm an arpeggiator nut (and seriously lament the loss of Techno-Toys ARP-X8, anyone out there who likes this app should contact me off-list) and hearing about the ability to use flexible clock dividing modes on the dual arpeggiators is sort of a nutso-awesome feature to me. It's amazing how many BAD arpeggiators there are out there. Does it support the 'brownian' up/down/random note order? Also - Paul, you should consider getting a copy of this video onto your site, I can certainly help with that (already have downloaded this video to one of my computers), though I don't know how SS would feel about that. -Geoff Paul Schreiber wrote:
>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2645 > >Note: you have to select the video from a drop-down list and *wait* about 5 >seconds to have it respond. I had some trouble with Windoze player, the Real >Player and QuickTime worked fine. Robert, always the "optimist", hopes to have >it shipping by summer. I'll ship 100 by April 1 :) > >The video is about 12 down on the list. > >Paul S. > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
2006-01-27 by Geoff
Just realized I wasn't very clear on what "brownian" means. A "Brownian' option on an arpeggiator is sort of a combination of random and up/down. Instead of randomly picking a note to play, the 'brownian' option picks from one of three options randomly, "move to next higher note, move to next lower note, stay at the current note." At least, I believe that's the typical function. It might just choose between move up or move down. This produces some really musical patterns, and it's often my favorite to run the 'lead' in various arrangements. I can probably dig up a recording I did with ARP-X8 ages ago. "Brownian" arp sequencing would be a really killer feature. I remember hearing that the firmware would be upgradable... Do I hear a firmware V 2.0 feature here? ::bats eyelashes:: Geoff wrote:
>Yeah, this pretty much sold the module to me. I'm an arpeggiator nut >(and seriously lament the loss of Techno-Toys ARP-X8, anyone >out there who likes this app should contact me off-list) and hearing >about the ability to use flexible clock dividing modes on the dual >arpeggiators is sort of a nutso-awesome feature to me. It's amazing >how many BAD arpeggiators there are out there. Does it support >the 'brownian' up/down/random note order? > >Also - Paul, you should consider getting a copy of this video onto your >site, I >can certainly help with that (already have downloaded this video to one >of my >computers), though I don't know how SS would feel about that. > >-Geoff > >Paul Schreiber wrote: > > > >>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2645 >> >>Note: you have to select the video from a drop-down list and *wait* about 5 >>seconds to have it respond. I had some trouble with Windoze player, the Real >>Player and QuickTime worked fine. Robert, always the "optimist", hopes to have >>it shipping by summer. I'll ship 100 by April 1 :) >> >>The video is about 12 down on the list. >> >>Paul S. >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
2006-01-27 by Paul Haneberg
Uh oh, I think I smell another idea for a module in here somewhere. Paul H. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff" <overand@...> To: "MOTM litserv" <motm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM-650 ARP (was: MOTM-650 NAMM video) > Just realized I wasn't very clear on what "brownian" means. > > A "Brownian' option on an arpeggiator is sort of a combination of random > and up/down. Instead of randomly picking a note to play, the 'brownian' > option picks from one of three options randomly, "move to next higher > note, move to next lower note, stay at the current note." At least, I > believe that's the typical function. It might just choose between move > up or move down. This produces some really musical patterns, and it's > often my favorite to run the 'lead' in various arrangements. I can > probably dig up a recording I did with ARP-X8 ages ago. > > "Brownian" arp sequencing would be a really killer feature. I remember > hearing that the firmware would be upgradable... Do I hear a firmware V > 2.0 feature here? ::bats eyelashes:: > > Geoff wrote: > >>Yeah, this pretty much sold the module to me. I'm an arpeggiator nut >>(and seriously lament the loss of Techno-Toys ARP-X8, anyone >>out there who likes this app should contact me off-list) and hearing >>about the ability to use flexible clock dividing modes on the dual >>arpeggiators is sort of a nutso-awesome feature to me. It's amazing >>how many BAD arpeggiators there are out there. Does it support >>the 'brownian' up/down/random note order? >> >>Also - Paul, you should consider getting a copy of this video onto your >>site, I >>can certainly help with that (already have downloaded this video to one >>of my >>computers), though I don't know how SS would feel about that. >> >>-Geoff >> >>Paul Schreiber wrote: >> >> >> >>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2645 >>> >>>Note: you have to select the video from a drop-down list and *wait* about >>>5 >>>seconds to have it respond. I had some trouble with Windoze player, the >>>Real >>>Player and QuickTime worked fine. Robert, always the "optimist", hopes to >>>have >>>it shipping by summer. I'll ship 100 by April 1 :) >>> >>>The video is about 12 down on the list. >>> >>>Paul S. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2006-01-27 by Adam Schabtach
A random-walk mode like that was part of the original MOTM-600 spec/prototype code. I don't know whether or not it's still in there, though. --Adam
> -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Haneberg [mailto:phaneber@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:44 PM > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM-650 ARP (was: MOTM-650 NAMM video) > > Uh oh, > > I think I smell another idea for a module in here somewhere. > > Paul H. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff" <overand@...> > To: "MOTM litserv" <motm@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:21 PM > Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM-650 ARP (was: MOTM-650 NAMM video) > > > > Just realized I wasn't very clear on what "brownian" means. > > > > A "Brownian' option on an arpeggiator is sort of a > combination of random > > and up/down. Instead of randomly picking a note to play, > the 'brownian' > > option picks from one of three options randomly, "move to > next higher > > note, move to next lower note, stay at the current note."
2006-01-27 by Geoff
That's a slippery slope, man. The best arpeggiator I used was certainly ARP-X8 (software) which was nearly as smart/powerful as the KARMA system in the korg products, but it was a ton more accessible. Software with a real interface for this stuff is one thing. Fitting it into a module is another. (Info from the abyss of dead products on ARP-X8, the 8 channel totally insane arpeggiator: http://web.archive.org/web/20020124235802/www.technotoys.com/arpx8.htm ) Also, the problem with arpeggiators in a modular system is that you need to feed them polyphonic data. The only place in a modular where you usually get polyphonic data is your MIDI-CV converter. Otherwise, you'd have to pick a preset list of voltages to hop up and down, and that's not nearly as powerful as an arpeggiator is in a performance setting. Anyway, I THINK that I would much rather see the 650 ship ASAP without this feature than face a potentially business-damaging delay as a new feature was implimented, debugged, tested, fixed, tested again, etc etc. I don't know what the current code footprint is vs. the amount of storage on the 650, but I'd hope that paul could add these sorts of things later on. Even if he can't or won't, we'll live. I mean, it's already got what looks like the best arpeggiator out there, sooo... unless there's a way to attach a second module to the thing (an arpeggiator daughterboard/addon? eh...) it looks like we'll either have to hope for this as an addon or just give it up. -Geoff Paul Haneberg wrote:
>Uh oh, > >I think I smell another idea for a module in here somewhere. > >Paul H. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Geoff" <overand@...> >To: "MOTM litserv" <motm@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:21 PM >Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM-650 ARP (was: MOTM-650 NAMM video) > > > > >>Just realized I wasn't very clear on what "brownian" means. >> >>A "Brownian' option on an arpeggiator is sort of a combination of random >>and up/down. Instead of randomly picking a note to play, the 'brownian' >>option picks from one of three options randomly, "move to next higher >>note, move to next lower note, stay at the current note." At least, I >>believe that's the typical function. It might just choose between move >>up or move down. This produces some really musical patterns, and it's >>often my favorite to run the 'lead' in various arrangements. I can >>probably dig up a recording I did with ARP-X8 ages ago. >> >>"Brownian" arp sequencing would be a really killer feature. I remember >>hearing that the firmware would be upgradable... Do I hear a firmware V >>2.0 feature here? ::bats eyelashes:: >> >>Geoff wrote: >> >> >> >>>Yeah, this pretty much sold the module to me. I'm an arpeggiator nut >>>(and seriously lament the loss of Techno-Toys ARP-X8, anyone >>>out there who likes this app should contact me off-list) and hearing >>>about the ability to use flexible clock dividing modes on the dual >>>arpeggiators is sort of a nutso-awesome feature to me. It's amazing >>>how many BAD arpeggiators there are out there. Does it support >>>the 'brownian' up/down/random note order? >>> >>>Also - Paul, you should consider getting a copy of this video onto your >>>site, I >>>can certainly help with that (already have downloaded this video to one >>>of my >>>computers), though I don't know how SS would feel about that. >>> >>>-Geoff >>> >>>Paul Schreiber wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2645 >>>> >>>>Note: you have to select the video from a drop-down list and *wait* about >>>>5 >>>>seconds to have it respond. I had some trouble with Windoze player, the >>>>Real >>>>Player and QuickTime worked fine. Robert, always the "optimist", hopes to >>>>have >>>>it shipping by summer. I'll ship 100 by April 1 :) >>>> >>>>The video is about 12 down on the list. >>>> >>>>Paul S. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >
2006-01-29 by J.D. McEachin
At 12:00 AM 1/27/2006 -0500, Geoff wrote: >Anyway, I THINK that I would much rather see the 650 ship ASAP without >this feature than face a potentially business-damaging delay as a new >feature was implimented, debugged, tested, fixed, tested again, etc >etc. No worries there. Paul wants to begin shipping the 650 ASAP too, so you're not going to see it held up by feature bloat. :) The 650 was designed from Day 1 to be flash upgradeable via MIDI, so it won't be a problem to add features in the future. >I don't know what the current code footprint is vs. the amount of >storage on the 650, but I'd hope that paul could add these sorts of >things later on. Yes, there's room to grow. At some time in the future, Synthcom will be offering a low cost firmware upgrade for the 650. Most of the new features are for the arpeggiators. The 650 firmware is based on code we wrote for our Europa upgrade for the Jupiter 6, so a lot of the features are already written, were debugged years ago, and are currently being used by hundreds of musicians. For an idea of what some of the additional arpeggiator features will be (as well as a description of the voice assign modes), see: http://synthcom.com/Europa/support/EuropaUserGuideV1.0.pdf I wrote the arpeggiator code, and I'd LOVE to add to the feature set. I was already thinking about adding a Brownian motion / random walk feature. If you've got other ideas, I'd love to hear them. >Software with a real interface for this stuff is one thing. >Fitting it into a module is another. At least we have an LCD to work with. :) Since all the features can be controlled via midi CCs, if you want a dedicated button for each feature, you could build one using the MidiBox hardware platform. (cutting square holes to match the 650's buttons could be a bitch, though ;) >The best arpeggiator I used was certainly >ARP-X8 (software) which was nearly as smart/powerful as the KARMA system >in the korg products, but it was a ton more accessible. I'd love to see the user manual for the ARP-X8. Jeffrey