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I am debugging the Frac VCA (MOTM-1190) which is the 'core' for the MOTM-130 
Pan/Fade VCA.

Happy to report this is a cool module:

a) the input has an "overdrive" so that at full level, a "warping" THD will be 
present (triangles getting 'sin-ed')
b) the output side has a 2-transistor 'gentle clipper' for rounding of signals 
above +-6V pk-pk

The design uses no OTAs (like the '110 and the '190). I will run plots of 
frequency response and THD later this week.

The Frac version does *not* pan/fade but the MOTM version will.

Hats off to JH for another winner.

Paul S.
back to the bench

On Wednesday 15 February 2006 06:03, Paul Schreiber wrote:
> I am debugging the Frac VCA (MOTM-1190) which is the
> 'core' for the MOTM-130 Pan/Fade VCA.
>
> Happy to report this is a cool module:
>
> a) the input has an "overdrive" so that at full level, a
> "warping" THD will be present (triangles getting
> 'sin-ed')
> b) the output side has a 2-transistor 'gentle clipper'
> for rounding of signals above +-6V pk-pk

Paul, I'd LOVE to hear an mp3 of both features! :)
Any due date known for the '130? ;)

- Robert

>
> Any due date known for the '130? ;)
>
> - Robert

And what aboot the "Cloud Generator"?

PLL, BFG

> Paul, I'd LOVE to hear an mp3 of both features! :)

It's somewhat of a pain for me to make MP3s (time consuming). I will
take some scope photos and FFTs plots :)

> Any due date known for the '130? ;)
> 
None whatsoever. How about "this fall".

Paul S.
no shortage of modules, just *time*

On Wednesday 15 February 2006 14:54, Paul Schreiber wrote:
> > Paul, I'd LOVE to hear an mp3 of both features! :)
>
> It's somewhat of a pain for me to make MP3s (time
> consuming). I will take some scope photos and FFTs plots
> :)

Heh. ;)  If I stuff those in my ears, will I hear it then?

> > Any due date known for the '130? ;)
>
> None whatsoever. How about "this fall".
>
> Paul S.
> no shortage of modules, just *time*

It's the Frac stuff Paul, dump it! ;P

- Robert

Generate these clouds.....
http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/june2004hastings-mammatus.html


thomas white wrote:

> I am waiting very patiently for this module to come as well. Although 
> I know my one order will not get it created much sooner, I still like 
> to think it helps cement that it will get done *someday*. I have never 
> heard one single module make sounds like the sample I heard in 2003 at 
> the NAMM show out of one module. Hot hot hot! Lot's of good stuff 
> coming out soon with the 650 and the 730 (and of course the Frac 
> modules) but I can safely say I am hoping for a "cloudy" day before 
> the end of the year. Paul, is there a storm coming by say... the 
> Holidays? Best estimate anyway,
>  
> Thomas
>
> Greg Amann <greg.amann@...> wrote:
>
>     >
>     > Any due date known for the '130? ;)
>     >
>     > - Robert
>
>     And what aboot the "Cloud Generator"?
>
>     PLL, BFG
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Even though I haven't heard it (are there any samples floating about?)
I have longed for this one since it was originally mentioned...

Mike

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, thomas white <djthomaswhite@...> wrote:
>
> I am waiting very patiently for this module to come as well.
Although I know my one order will not get it created much sooner, I
still like to think it helps cement that it will get done *someday*. I
have never heard one single module make sounds like the sample I heard
in 2003 at the NAMM show out of one module. Hot hot hot! Lot's of good
stuff coming out soon with the 650 and the 730 (and of course the Frac
modules) but I can safely say I am hoping for a "cloudy" day before
the end of the year. Paul, is there a storm coming by say... the
Holidays? Best estimate anyway,
>    
>   Thomas
> 
> Greg Amann <greg.amann@...> wrote:
>   >
> > Any due date known for the '130? ;)
> >
> > - Robert
> 
> And what aboot the "Cloud Generator"?
> 
> PLL, BFG
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Wow!

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, John Blacet <blacet@...> wrote:
>
> Generate these clouds.....
> http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/june2004hastings-mammatus.html
> 
> 
> thomas white wrote:
> 
> > I am waiting very patiently for this module to come as well. Although 
> > I know my one order will not get it created much sooner, I still like 
> > to think it helps cement that it will get done *someday*. I have
never 
> > heard one single module make sounds like the sample I heard in
2003 at 
> > the NAMM show out of one module. Hot hot hot! Lot's of good stuff 
> > coming out soon with the 650 and the 730 (and of course the Frac 
> > modules) but I can safely say I am hoping for a "cloudy" day before 
> > the end of the year. Paul, is there a storm coming by say... the 
> > Holidays? Best estimate anyway,
> >  
> > Thomas
> >
> > Greg Amann <greg.amann@...> wrote:
> >
> >     >
> >     > Any due date known for the '130? ;)
> >     >
> >     > - Robert
> >
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> >
> >     PLL, BFG
> >
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I also patiently await this one.  Isn't it supposed to be similar to The
sawtooth waveform animator?

-George

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Mike Marsh" <michael_marsh@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Cloud Generator was [motm] New VCA teaser


> Even though I haven't heard it (are there any samples floating about?)
> I have longed for this one since it was originally mentioned...
>
> Mike
>
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, thomas white <djthomaswhite@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am waiting very patiently for this module to come as well.
> Although I know my one order will not get it created much sooner, I
> still like to think it helps cement that it will get done *someday*. I
> have never heard one single module make sounds like the sample I heard
> in 2003 at the NAMM show out of one module. Hot hot hot! Lot's of good
> stuff coming out soon with the 650 and the 730 (and of course the Frac
> modules) but I can safely say I am hoping for a "cloudy" day before
> the end of the year. Paul, is there a storm coming by say... the
> Holidays? Best estimate anyway,
> >
> >   Thomas
> >
> > Greg Amann <greg.amann@...> wrote:
> >   >
> > > Any due date known for the '130? ;)
> > >
> > > - Robert
> >
> > And what aboot the "Cloud Generator"?
> >
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> >
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The way I understand it, it is a VCO with eight simultaneous waveforms
that can be detuned under voltage control by various amounts.  Big
huge fat...

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "groovyshaman" <groovyshaman@...> wrote:

>
> I also patiently await this one.  Isn't it supposed to be similar to The
> sawtooth waveform animator?
> 
> -George
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Marsh" <michael_marsh@...>
> To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Cloud Generator was [motm] New VCA teaser
> 
> 
> > Even though I haven't heard it (are there any samples floating about?)
> > I have longed for this one since it was originally mentioned...
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, thomas white <djthomaswhite@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am waiting very patiently for this module to come as well.
> > Although I know my one order will not get it created much sooner, I
> > still like to think it helps cement that it will get done *someday*. I
> > have never heard one single module make sounds like the sample I heard
> > in 2003 at the NAMM show out of one module. Hot hot hot! Lot's of good
> > stuff coming out soon with the 650 and the 730 (and of course the Frac
> > modules) but I can safely say I am hoping for a "cloudy" day before
> > the end of the year. Paul, is there a storm coming by say... the
> > Holidays? Best estimate anyway,
> > >
> > >   Thomas
> > >
> > > Greg Amann <greg.amann@> wrote:
> > >   >
> > > > Any due date known for the '130? ;)
> > > >
> > > > - Robert
> > >
> > > And what aboot the "Cloud Generator"?
> > >
> > > PLL, BFG
> > >
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if the 130 isn't going to ship, is there any chance of a schematic?

tx

>I am debugging the Frac VCA (MOTM-1190) which is the 'core' for the MOTM-130
>Pan/Fade VCA.
>
>Happy to report this is a cool module:
>
>a) the input has an "overdrive" so that at full level, a "warping" THD will be
>present (triangles getting 'sin-ed')
>b) the output side has a 2-transistor 'gentle clipper' for rounding of signals
>above +-6V pk-pk
>
>The design uses no OTAs (like the '110 and the '190). I will run plots of
>frequency response and THD later this week.
>
>The Frac version does *not* pan/fade but the MOTM version will.
>
>Hats off to JH for another winner.
>
>Paul S.
>back to the bench
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

> if the 130 isn't going to ship, is there any chance of a schematic?

Who said it wasn't going to ship??!?

Paul S.

>>if the 130 isn't going to ship, is there any chance of a schematic?
>
>Who said it wasn't going to ship??!?

my mistake - i misread that post the first time round. it actually 
says "not dead, but not too soon either".

there's a lack of VC panners around - the modcan one is expensive and 
the serge one only arrives as part of a panel. my plan if the 130 
isn't going to happen any time soon is to hack the Wilson autopanner. 
but i'd like to see the MOTM one, and ideally build it...

does everyone just use 2 VCAs then?

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Jason Proctor <jason@...> wrote:
.
.
.
 i'd like to see the MOTM one, and ideally build it...
> 
> does everyone just use 2 VCAs then?
>

I use Blacet's Micro LFO in conjunction with his Dual Linear VCA.  The
LFO has outs for SIN and inverted SIN, so no third module
needed...works good!

Mike

At 10:16 PM 9/30/2006, Jason Proctor wrote:

>there's a lack of VC panners around - the modcan one is expensive and
>the serge one only arrives as part of a panel. my plan if the 130
>isn't going to happen any time soon is to hack the Wilson autopanner.
>but i'd like to see the MOTM one, and ideally build it...
>
>does everyone just use 2 VCAs then?

Synthesizers.com Q111 Pan/Fade.
--
john

>there's a lack of VC panners around - the modcan one is expensive and
>the serge one only arrives as part of a panel. my plan if the 130
>isn't going to happen any time soon is to hack the Wilson autopanner.
>but i'd like to see the MOTM one, and ideally build it...
>
>does everyone just use 2 VCAs then?

Yes, two VCA's with the appropriate gain and control voltage offsets 
so that an EG or bipolar LFO will cause a panning effect. I built a 
bunch of VCAs using some SSM chips I had laying around, they work 
nicely as VC panners:

http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln132/TLN-132.html

DIY'ers check out Electronotes #108 for a panner-fader circuit (two 
inputs, two outputs, 1 CV) that uses only one VCA to do simultaneous 
cross fading and panning.  I've been considering doing a version of it 
with one of my MOTM protoboards (now unobtainium).  In the mean time I 
use a couple of modular VCA's.

Richard Brewster
http://www.pugix.com

(Just back from vacation in Italy and catching up on email.)

Scott Juskiw wrote:

>> there's a lack of VC panners around - the modcan one is expensive and
>> the serge one only arrives as part of a panel. my plan if the 130
>> isn't going to happen any time soon is to hack the Wilson autopanner.
>> but i'd like to see the MOTM one, and ideally build it...
>>
>> does everyone just use 2 VCAs then?
>>     
>
> Yes, two VCA's with the appropriate gain and control voltage offsets 
> so that an EG or bipolar LFO will cause a panning effect. I built a 
> bunch of VCAs using some SSM chips I had laying around, they work 
> nicely as VC panners:
>
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln132/TLN-132.html
>
>
>
>