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(2006 Aleatoric BUG MUSIC Contest!) Win a ZO!

(2006 Aleatoric BUG MUSIC Contest!) Win a ZO!

2006-12-07 by Cynthia

No one expects the Cynthia Bug Off Contest!
Fire-up your synthesizers and challenge yourself to record a wild and crazy piece of
electronic musicand enter it in the Cyndustries surprise 2006 Aleatoric Music Competition
which now begins!

"WAR & PEACE" BUG OFF
2006 ELECTRONIC MUSIC COMPETITION DECLARED!

(Enter now, the First Place Winner walks away with a brand new Cynthia Zeroscillator!)

~ January 4th 2007 Deadline for Entries ~

http://www.cyndustries.com//bugmusic_entries.cfm

Between now and January 4th 2007, you have five-weeks to make a short piece of new
music,(up to 3-minutes long) supporting this year's theme of "WAR & PEACE".

The contest is totally "open season" technically, with any and all types of synthesis
allowed, that's laptops, modulars, keyboards, virtual or actual, whatever,
( just please do not exceed the 3-minute time limit).
 Listeners across the web will vote for their favorite musical entries.

Aleatoric Music is named after "alea" the latin word for "dice", and is music guided
randomly or by chance, (described simply as, "Bug Music"by some people).  We're
stretching this ruleto include new musical composition guided by humans as well,
(hey, that would be YOU!)

Just what ~can~ you do with your arsenal of gadgets?  Let's hear it everybody,
you might even win a shiney new Zeroscillator!

On your mark, get set, and BLEEP!

http://www.cyndustries.com


Cynthia

Be careful if you order from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-08 by elle_webb

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Cynthia" <cynthia.webster@...> wrote:
>
> No one expects the Cynthia Bug Off Contest!
> Fire-up your synthesizers and challenge yourself to record a wild
and crazy piece of
> electronic musicand enter it in the Cyndustries surprise 2006
Aleatoric Music Competition
> which now begins!
> 
> "WAR & PEACE" BUG OFF
> 2006 ELECTRONIC MUSIC COMPETITION DECLARED!
> 
> (Enter now, the First Place Winner walks away with a brand new
Cynthia Zeroscillator!)
> 

FYI - If you consider purchasing a MOTM-formatted Zeroscillator, think
twice before you pay for it in full, even though Cyndustries lists
them as "shipping".

They were "In stock" about a year ago when I ordered one, and I'm
still waiting. I'll spare you the details, but I've communicated with
Cynthia multiple times and received a variety of reasons why it hasn't
shipped.

Items shouldn't be promoted as shipping or be offered as prizes when
existing orders for the same items are not filled.

Paul has done a great job at delivering orders quickly and
communicating when there will be delays, as has Roger at
Synthesizers.com, Tony at Oakley, Scott at Tellun, John at Blacet, the
Stooges and others.

Based on my experience with Cyndustries, I wouldn't use their Full
Payment option without contacting them before ordering and getting a
written commitment on the delivery date.

Re: [motm] Be careful if you order from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-08 by ac

I had "issues" with Cyndustries also. Fobbed off with excuses.
Although my MOTM Zeroscillator has arrived now and it *is* ace!

ac

ps sorry if this is OT.
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On 12/8/06, elle_webb <elle_webb@...> wrote:
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Cynthia" <cynthia.webster@...> wrote:
> >
> > No one expects the Cynthia Bug Off Contest!
> > Fire-up your synthesizers and challenge yourself to record a wild
> and crazy piece of
> > electronic musicand enter it in the Cyndustries surprise 2006
> Aleatoric Music Competition
> > which now begins!
> >
> > "WAR & PEACE" BUG OFF
> > 2006 ELECTRONIC MUSIC COMPETITION DECLARED!
> >
> > (Enter now, the First Place Winner walks away with a brand new
> Cynthia Zeroscillator!)
> >
>
> FYI - If you consider purchasing a MOTM-formatted Zeroscillator, think
> twice before you pay for it in full, even though Cyndustries lists
> them as "shipping".
>
> They were "In stock" about a year ago when I ordered one, and I'm
> still waiting. I'll spare you the details, but I've communicated with
> Cynthia multiple times and received a variety of reasons why it hasn't
> shipped.
>
> Items shouldn't be promoted as shipping or be offered as prizes when
> existing orders for the same items are not filled.
>
> Paul has done a great job at delivering orders quickly and
> communicating when there will be delays, as has Roger at
> Synthesizers.com, Tony at Oakley, Scott at Tellun, John at Blacet, the
> Stooges and others.
>
> Based on my experience with Cyndustries, I wouldn't use their Full
> Payment option without contacting them before ordering and getting a
> written commitment on the delivery date.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: Be careful if you order from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-09 by Koos Fockens

That particular module is something I am contemplating for the future myself, but what is 
the build quality like, does it live up to Synthesis Technology standards? If you have a few 
pictures of the module, from the rear, circuit board etc , that would be great so I can get a 
good idea of of how it's build.

Thanks

Koos

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, ac <analoghell@...> wrote:
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>
> I had "issues" with Cyndustries also. Fobbed off with excuses.
> Although my MOTM Zeroscillator has arrived now and it *is* ace!
> 
> ac
> 
> ps sorry if this is OT.
> 
> On 12/8/06, elle_webb <elle_webb@...> wrote:
> > --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Cynthia" <cynthia.webster@> wrote:
> > >
> > > No one expects the Cynthia Bug Off Contest!
> > > Fire-up your synthesizers and challenge yourself to record a wild
> > and crazy piece of
> > > electronic musicand enter it in the Cyndustries surprise 2006
> > Aleatoric Music Competition
> > > which now begins!
> > >
> > > "WAR & PEACE" BUG OFF
> > > 2006 ELECTRONIC MUSIC COMPETITION DECLARED!
> > >
> > > (Enter now, the First Place Winner walks away with a brand new
> > Cynthia Zeroscillator!)
> > >
> >
> > FYI - If you consider purchasing a MOTM-formatted Zeroscillator, think
> > twice before you pay for it in full, even though Cyndustries lists
> > them as "shipping".
> >
> > They were "In stock" about a year ago when I ordered one, and I'm
> > still waiting. I'll spare you the details, but I've communicated with
> > Cynthia multiple times and received a variety of reasons why it hasn't
> > shipped.
> >
> > Items shouldn't be promoted as shipping or be offered as prizes when
> > existing orders for the same items are not filled.
> >
> > Paul has done a great job at delivering orders quickly and
> > communicating when there will be delays, as has Roger at
> > Synthesizers.com, Tony at Oakley, Scott at Tellun, John at Blacet, the
> > Stooges and others.
> >
> > Based on my experience with Cyndustries, I wouldn't use their Full
> > Payment option without contacting them before ordering and getting a
> > written commitment on the delivery date.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [motm] Re: Be careful if you order from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-09 by Scott K Warren

I have a Zeroscillator and I can say that its build quality is  
absolutely up to Synth Tech standards. Its mechanical design is very  
impressive and mine at least was assembled very professionally.  
Cynthia uses exactly MOTM-standard pots, knobs, and jacks, and its  
front panel is a perfect match to Synth Tech front panels in  
material, paint, and graphics (The control/jack layout is  
nonstandard, though). It is really amazing to look at, both from the  
front and behind the panel, a thing of beauty.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to say whether its circuit design or  
electronic components are in the same realm as Paul's premium  
designs. Nor do I have the ear or the experience to say whether it is  
aurally in the Synth Tech league. But it sounds great to me.

I can't take pictures right now but Cynthia put a lot of detailed  
views of the MOTM version up on her Yahoo group site  
(The_Cyndustries_List). I'm not a fan of Yahoo Groups but if you can  
look there you will see what you want to see.

That said, Paul rules! And MOTM forever! (now I'm on topic, right?)


skw
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On Dec 9, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Koos Fockens wrote:

> That particular module is something I am contemplating for the  
> future myself, but what is
> the build quality like, does it live up to Synthesis Technology  
> standards? If you have a few
> pictures of the module, from the rear, circuit board etc , that  
> would be great so I can get a
> good idea of of how it's build.
>
> Thanks
>
> Koos

Re: [motm] Re: Be careful if you order from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-09 by Scott K Warren

Hmm, I may have misspoken about the pots. I seem to remember Cynthia  
used non-Spectrol pots. I can't go look right now to check.

skw
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On Dec 9, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Koos Fockens wrote:

> That particular module is something I am contemplating for the  
> future myself, but what is
> the build quality like, does it live up to Synthesis Technology  
> standards? If you have a few
> pictures of the module, from the rear, circuit board etc , that  
> would be great so I can get a
> good idea of of how it's build.
>
> Thanks
>
> Koos

Re: [motm] Re: Be careful if you order from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-09 by Jay

Scott K Warren wrote:

> (now I'm on topic, right?)

Since Paul is not the administrator of this list, and the actual one 
seems to be AWOL, everything is technically on topic. ;-)

I plan to get one eventually, but I can't see a reason for getting more 
than 1 Zer0sc because it doesn't track 1v/oct very well. No point in 
syncing two up. That is if it is actually capable of "musical" FM-type 
sounds. I can go nutzo crazy with what I already have. I haven't heard a 
demo yet that's useful to me. I'll wait to try one out in person...

ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-09 by Cynthia

Hi Koos!

There is a photo gallery for each format Zeroscillator in the PHOTOS section of Yahoo's
The Cyndustries List website... 

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Cyndustries_List/

Each MOTM format Zeroscillator has six circuit boards and little or no actual wiring. 
(wires only serve the singe tuning pot and the red & green LEDs) so that is only (7) wires
in the entire assembly. (The Modcan, Euro, and FracRak versions only have (3) wires total 
as the LEDs are mounted directly to their PCBs). They are solid and well constructed.

I can tell you this, at every single fork in the road of designing the Zeroscillator
we chose to use the better quality component.  Four-layer circuit boards, and gold 
connectors, military IC sockets, NNK switches, everything is of extremely high quality 
and I never considered the entire parts count in the design either, meaning that is a 
particular feature required twenty extra parts do be the best circuit possible... well
then, we committed to using all (20) of those parts, (instead of cheaping-out and 
eliminating parts (quality) based upon price).

One MOTM format Zeroscillator summed it up neatly by simply saying, 
"This thing is build like a Cadillac!"  and it truly is built solidly.

As far as comments about delivery delays are concerned, yes we got rather behind as 
my Father recently passed-away and I moved the whole company in order to now care
for my aging Mother.  That set us several months behind, but since firing-up the new
lab we are working insane hours lately to catch-up and we are happily getting ready to 
ship (63) more Zerosillators in time for Xmas!  (We have (37) more ZOs on the shelf for 
future customers (like You!) so this really is an ideal time to buy a Zeroscillator). 

Zeroscillators are presently available from either Analogue Haven, or Cyndustries.
This coming week is our big big week and we are working our butts off getting ready!

Thanks for the opportunity for me to post this update to the MOTM List, and please
enter our annual Aleatoric "Bug Music" Contest - where you just might be the lucky 
winner of a mighty Zeroscillator!


Cynthia

http://www.cyndustries.com/ 

Here are some other comments from very satisfied Zeroscillator Owners...
 --

All I have to say is outstanding! In sonics, flexibility, construction and appearance, these 
modules trounce anything I've ever seen, (and I've got old Moog, "Don Martin" Moog, 
MoogCE, .com, Blacet, MOTM, and homebuilt modules to compare).

They're truly a work of art. It was almost a shame to put them in the rack, hiding the 
innards, which are really impressive in their own right.

" The only problem is, how are you going to top this? "

Roger Pellegrini 
--

"They are designed and built better than the Buchla 200e stuff"

Grant Richter
--

I also received the 3 ZOs. Hell, what can I say. Adding just one of them to my system is 
like doubling the already huge possibilities. Adding 3 is just .... I can't simply describe it. 
This is probably the most versatile and best sounding osc ever built and worth every single 
cent. I think I will need a lot of time to discover everything it offers. I can't thank you 
enough for these gems.


Warm regards from Switzerland, your big fan  :-) Martin 
--

An intrinsic part of the early Moog and ARP designs was a spirit
of adventure, of exploring new ways to do things, innovation,
creative solutions to difficult problems.  And I think the recent
modulars lack that very spirit.

But the Zeroscillator is new.  That's true to the spirit of the
original Moog and ARP stuff.  That's making a statement.

Don Tillman
--

BTW, the ZO has to be one of the most innovative and exciting analog
synth products to come along in quite some time. The design,
features and clever packaging are awesome! Seems like everyone else
is stuck copying those same worn-out 30-year old designs over and
over again. Thanks for the taking the risk!
--

The Cyndustries Zero VCO is THE one. More inputs, outputs, and
waveforms than you can shake a DX7 at and a level of control and range
above (below) and beyond the Serge or any others I've seen. 
--

"Well, it's simply the most full-featured VCO I've ever seen!
"This thing is big and beautiful. It is a perfect cosmetic match for the factory MOTM 
modules,

"Everything works as advertised."The multiturn tuning control is smooth and light feeling.
You can spin it around with a single finger. I found precise tuning to be easy and quick.

"The variable strength sync works very well, and allows you to achieve
effects from stepping harmonics to a severe "tearing" from one harmonic to the next,
to an even more severe octave jump effect I had never heard before. Very musical.

"The basic sound is very clear and pure. I put a scope on all the basic output waveforms,
and they are pristine. "I'm still exploring the huge palette available "It's going to
take a lot of playing to get my head around all the modulation capabilities of this 
oscillator.
"Suffice it to say that the pure inherent waveforms coupled with the extreme amount of 
modulation
possible make this sound different and more radical than anything else in my system."

"Major kudos to Cynthia and crew for taking the gamble and succeeding
in bringing a premium module like this to synth lovers everywhere!"


Dave Bradley / Stooge Moe 



-30-

http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Cyndustries_List/photos

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Koos Fockens" <torikoos@...> wrote:
>
> That particular module is something I am contemplating for the future myself, but what 
is 
> the build quality like, does it live up to Synthesis Technology standards? If you have a 
few 
> pictures of the module, from the rear, circuit board etc , that would be great so I can get 
a 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> good idea of of how it's build.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Koos
> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, ac <analoghell@> wrote:
> >
> > I had "issues" with Cyndustries also. Fobbed off with excuses.
> > Although my MOTM Zeroscillator has arrived now and it *is* ace!
> > 
> > ac
> > 
> > ps sorry if this is OT.
> > 
> > On 12/8/06, elle_webb <elle_webb@> wrote:
> > > --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Cynthia" <cynthia.webster@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No one expects the Cynthia Bug Off Contest!
> > > > Fire-up your synthesizers and challenge yourself to record a wild
> > > and crazy piece of
> > > > electronic musicand enter it in the Cyndustries surprise 2006
> > > Aleatoric Music Competition
> > > > which now begins!
> > > >
> > > > "WAR & PEACE" BUG OFF
> > > > 2006 ELECTRONIC MUSIC COMPETITION DECLARED!
> > > >
> > > > (Enter now, the First Place Winner walks away with a brand new
> > > Cynthia Zeroscillator!)
> > > >
> > >
> > > FYI - If you consider purchasing a MOTM-formatted Zeroscillator, think
> > > twice before you pay for it in full, even though Cyndustries lists
> > > them as "shipping".
> > >
> > > They were "In stock" about a year ago when I ordered one, and I'm
> > > still waiting. I'll spare you the details, but I've communicated with
> > > Cynthia multiple times and received a variety of reasons why it hasn't
> > > shipped.
> > >
> > > Items shouldn't be promoted as shipping or be offered as prizes when
> > > existing orders for the same items are not filled.
> > >
> > > Paul has done a great job at delivering orders quickly and
> > > communicating when there will be delays, as has Roger at
> > > Synthesizers.com, Tony at Oakley, Scott at Tellun, John at Blacet, the
> > > Stooges and others.
> > >
> > > Based on my experience with Cyndustries, I wouldn't use their Full
> > > Payment option without contacting them before ordering and getting a
> > > written commitment on the delivery date.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-09 by J.D. McEachin

At 08:11 PM 12/9/2006 -0000, Cynthia wrote:

>One MOTM format Zeroscillator summed it up neatly by simply saying, 
>"This thing is build like a Cadillac!"  and it truly is built solidly.

Can anyone comment on how easy it is to turn the knobs when there are cables plugged in above and below them?  It doesn't look as ergonomic as the typical MOTM "knobs above, jacks below" design.

Thanks,
Jeffrey

RE: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-09 by John Loffink

It is a nice module, but the pots appear to be 24mm Alphas unsealed carbon
composition, not the high quality Spectrol sealed plastic or cermet
composition potentiometers as on MOTM modules.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Cynthia
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:11 PM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....
> 
> Hi Koos!
> 
> There is a photo gallery for each format Zeroscillator in the PHOTOS
> section of Yahoo's
> The Cyndustries List website...
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Cyndustries_List/
> 
> Each MOTM format Zeroscillator has six circuit boards and little or no
> actual wiring.
> (wires only serve the singe tuning pot and the red & green LEDs) so that
> is only (7) wires
> in the entire assembly. (The Modcan, Euro, and FracRak versions only have
> (3) wires total
> as the LEDs are mounted directly to their PCBs). They are solid and well
> constructed.
> 
> I can tell you this, at every single fork in the road of designing the
> Zeroscillator
> we chose to use the better quality component.  Four-layer circuit boards,
> and gold
> connectors, military IC sockets, NNK switches, everything is of extremely
> high quality
> and I never considered the entire parts count in the design either,
> meaning that is a
> particular feature required twenty extra parts do be the best circuit
> possible... well
> then, we committed to using all (20) of those parts, (instead of cheaping-
> out and
> eliminating parts (quality) based upon price).
> 
> One MOTM format Zeroscillator summed it up neatly by simply saying,
> "This thing is build like a Cadillac!"  and it truly is built solidly.
> 
> As far as comments about delivery delays are concerned, yes we got rather
> behind as
> my Father recently passed-away and I moved the whole company in order to
> now care
> for my aging Mother.  That set us several months behind, but since firing-
> up the new
> lab we are working insane hours lately to catch-up and we are happily
> getting ready to
> ship (63) more Zerosillators in time for Xmas!  (We have (37) more ZOs on
> the shelf for
> future customers (like You!) so this really is an ideal time to buy a
> Zeroscillator).
> 
> Zeroscillators are presently available from either Analogue Haven, or
> Cyndustries.
> This coming week is our big big week and we are working our butts off
> getting ready!
> 
> Thanks for the opportunity for me to post this update to the MOTM List,
> and please
> enter our annual Aleatoric "Bug Music" Contest - where you just might be
> the lucky
> winner of a mighty Zeroscillator!
> 
> 
> Cynthia
> 
> http://www.cyndustries.com/
>

Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-09 by Mark

On 12/9/06, Cynthia put forth:
>
>
>One MOTM format Zeroscillator summed it up neatly by simply saying,
>"This thing is build like a Cadillac!"  and it truly is built solidly.

So not only is it self-aware, it can form opinions about itself, and 
express them in spoken English.  That's one advanced module!!

Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-09 by Matthew Hiscock

The self-awareness is, of course, under voltage control.

On 9-Dec-06, at 6:32 PM, Mark wrote:

On 12/9/06, Cynthia put forth:

One MOTM format Zeroscillator summed it up neatly by simply saying,
"This thing is build like a Cadillac!" and it truly is built solidly.

So not only is it self-aware, it can form opinions about itself, and
express them in spoken English. That's one advanced module!!
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Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-09 by Cynthia Webster

Mark wrote:

> On 12/9/06, Cynthia put forth:
>
>>
>>
>> One MOTM format Zeroscillator summed it up neatly by simply saying,
>> "This thing is build like a Cadillac!"  and it truly is built solidly.
>
>
> So not only is it self-aware, it can form opinions about itself, and 
> express them in spoken English.  That's one advanced module!!
>
>
Hey, That is really funny!  (ok, my mistake)

I should have said that it was actually Dave Bradley / MOTM Stooge Moe 
who said
The Zeroscillator is, "built like a Cadillac".  

Cyn

Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-10 by Jay

John Loffink wrote:

> It is a nice module, but the pots appear to be 24mm Alphas unsealed carbon
> composition, not the high quality Spectrol sealed plastic or cermet
> composition potentiometers as on MOTM modules.

I'm sure that would have added another $200 to the module. She used a 
multi turn sealed pot in the one place where it should be, and that's 
the tune pot. At over $9 each now, the MOTM sealed pots are just 
overkill when everyone else is using 50 cent Alphas that seem to work 
just fine. Not to mention they feel better too. Is nobody buying Modcan 
B series modules because they use 24mm Alphas? Even Paul is using carbon 
pots the Frac Rac modules. I've already had a bad Spectrol pot, never an 
Alpha.

Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-10 by Richard Brewster

http://www.pugix.com/middle-cabinet.htm#zeroscillator

(Sorry for the fuzzy picture.) 

I like the MOTM ZO panel layout a lot.  I like symmetry, and this panel 
is very symmetrical.  If I could make a change, I would relocate the 
switch for Through Zero / Typical to where the Vari-Sync knob is and 
slide that knob and the jacks under it down to align with the other pots 
and jacks.  A normal sized knob would work then too.  But all that is 
minor.  (And I realize that it had to match up to a printed circuit 
board on the back.)

Jacks being high on the panel is not a problem.  But, as I will explain, 
some jacks and pots are closer together than on MOTM panels.

There are five vertical lines on the panel, which is 4U wide.  Because 
there are five vertical components in that space instead of the usual 
four, they are a little more cramped than on a standard MOTM panel.  The 
lower jacks and knobs are at the same height as a neighboring MOTM 
module.  But, because of the vertical squeeze play, jacks end up being 
directly below and above pots, unlike MOTM.  This results in a slightly 
shorter distance between the pot centers and the jack centers.  So if 
you have a jack plugged in both above and below one of those knobs, yes, 
it is a little harder to operate the knob.  In practice, though, you 
won't be using all those jacks at once, and so it isn't really anything 
to worry about.

Richard Brewster
http://www.pugix.com

J.D. McEachin wrote:
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> Can anyone comment on how easy it is to turn the knobs when there are cables plugged in above and below them?  It doesn't look as ergonomic as the typical MOTM "knobs above, jacks below" design.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
>

Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-10 by JH.

>I'm sure that would have added another $200 to the module. She used a 
>multi turn sealed pot in the one place where it should be, and that's 
>the tune pot. 

Speaking of components -
can anybody tell me what chips are inside that module ?

Thanks,

JH.

Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-10 by Richard Brewster

See here:

http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Ntt=594-149-7104

These are the Vishay/Spectrol MOTM sealed pots.  $5.67 each in 50 
quantity.   If we assume the Alpha pots cost less than $1.00 each in 
quantity, then lets say the additional cost would be roughly $5.00 per 
pot times 7 pots, or about $35 additional cost per module.

I just bought one of those pots, and by golly it is white, just like 
Paul said.  Same part number as the black ones we are used to.  They are 
physically smaller, too.  They might even fit the panel depth needed on 
the ZO (which is another reason to have chosen the Alphas -- the 
Spectrols would have been too deep).

Richard Brewster
http://www.pugix.com

Jay wrote:
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> John Loffink wrote:
>
>   
>> It is a nice module, but the pots appear to be 24mm Alphas unsealed carbon
>> composition, not the high quality Spectrol sealed plastic or cermet
>> composition potentiometers as on MOTM modules.
>>     
>
> I'm sure that would have added another $200 to the module. She used a 
> multi turn sealed pot in the one place where it should be, and that's 
> the tune pot. At over $9 each now, the MOTM sealed pots are just 
> overkill when everyone else is using 50 cent Alphas that seem to work 
> just fine. Not to mention they feel better too. Is nobody buying Modcan 
> B series modules because they use 24mm Alphas? Even Paul is using carbon 
> pots the Frac Rac modules. I've already had a bad Spectrol pot, never an 
> Alpha.
>
>
>

Re: ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-10 by Koos Fockens

Thanks Cynthia,

I have a good impression on the ZO now , and I am definitely going to save up for one (?) of 
my own.
I can't afford getting one this year, as I still have to part with a fair few funds for Paul,  I still 
have several MOTM module kits underway. :-)

In any case, it's a great looking module, and I hope you will be releasing many more designs 
in MOTM format. :-) 

Thanks,

Koos

Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-10 by Jay

Richard Brewster wrote:

> These are the Vishay/Spectrol MOTM sealed pots.  $5.67 each in 50 
> quantity.  

Interesting, because their online PDF catalog shows about $2 added to 
each of those prices.

http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Ntt=594-149-7104

Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-10 by Richard Brewster

I have found that the Mouser PDF catalog doesn't keep up with the 
current prices, which fluctuate.  You need to find the HTML page.

Richard

Jay wrote:
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> Richard Brewster wrote:
>
>> These are the Vishay/Spectrol MOTM sealed pots.  $5.67 each in 50 
>> quantity.  
>
> Interesting, because their online PDF catalog shows about $2 added to 
> each of those prices.
>
> http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Ntt=594-149-7104
>

Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-10 by Prototek

I have to agree with Jay here. I know the benefits of Spectrol vs. Alpha but quite frankly I cant stand the feel of a Spectrol pot. They\u2019re expensive but they FEEL cheap. Many a time I\u2019ve brazed the knob and the Spectrol goes flying out of place. At least Alphas hold their position. Just my .02

Regards,
John


On 12/9/06 11:41 PM, "Jay" wrote:

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John Loffink wrote:

> It is a nice module, but the pots appear to be 24mm Alphas unsealed carbon
> composition, not the high quality Spectrol sealed plastic or cermet
> composition potentiometers as on MOTM modules.

I'm sure that would have added another $200 to the module. She used a
multi turn sealed pot in the one place where it should be, and that's
the tune pot. At over $9 each now, the MOTM sealed pots are just
overkill when everyone else is using 50 cent Alphas that seem to work
just fine. Not to mention they feel better too. Is nobody buying Modcan
B series modules because they use 24mm Alphas? Even Paul is using carbon
pots the Frac Rac modules. I've already had a bad Spectrol pot, never an
Alpha.



Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-10 by Jason Proctor

i think you're getting confused between spectrols and bourns here. 
spectrol pots have a heavier damped feel to them and bourns ones have 
the looser feel.

i went the expensive route for almost all of my modular, i hope the 
cash pays off in longevity and reliability....
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>    I have to agree with Jay here. I know the benefits of Spectrol 
>vs. Alpha but quite frankly I cant stand the feel of a Spectrol pot. 
>They're expensive but they FEEL cheap. Many a time I've brazed the 
>knob and the Spectrol goes flying out of place. At least Alphas hold 
>their position. Just my .02
>
>     Regards,
>     John

Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-10 by jneilyahoo@jneil.com

> 
> Can anyone comment on how easy it is to turn the knobs when there are cables plugged in above and below them?  It doesn't look as ergonomic as the typical MOTM "knobs above, jacks below" design.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeffrey
> 

"knobs above, jacks below" may be the ideal, and it might work out that way 
if you have one horizontal row of modules, but if you have more that one row 
you essentially have "jacks above, knobs below" as well...

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Re: [motm] ZOs from Cyndustries.....

2006-12-11 by Paul Bower

i don't have a problem with the layout - i think given the complexity of the module, it's a good trade off between function v ergonomics
my ZO is on the top row of a cabinet - which i suppose also makes things a little easier

by the way - the ZO makes a great signal processor too (!) -
cheers
paul




On 10 Dec 2006, at 21:16, jneilyahoo@jneil.com wrote:


Can anyone comment on how easy it is to turn the knobs when there are cables plugged in above and below them? It doesn't look as ergonomic as the typical MOTM "knobs above, jacks below" design.

Thanks,
Jeffrey


"knobs above, jacks below" may be the ideal, and it might work out that way
if you have one horizontal row of modules, but if you have more that one row
you essentially have "jacks above, knobs below" as well...

----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line -----------------------
John Neilson jneil@...

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