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2009-02-13 by Paul Schreiber
For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 more for the fully assembled. Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. Paul S.
2009-02-13 by John L Rice
I'd prefer option a). The FFB is the MOTM module that I have the most interest in at the moment. (out of the ones I don't have yet . . not counting a SECOND MOTM-485 ;-) I'm really attracted to the MOTM-600 sequencer too but I never hear it mentioned so I'm not holding out much hope that it will eventually surface. John L Rice
-----Original Message----- From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiber Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:27 PM To: MOTM List Subject: [motm] FFB options For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 more for the fully assembled. Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. Paul S. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
2009-02-13 by wjhall11
Will and I vote resoundingly for 2.0 style pcb, panel, and special parts. If you offer this, we'll order tomorrow. Bill and Will --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
> > For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: > > a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) > > b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT > > The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 > more for the fully assembled. > > Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. > > Paul S. >
2009-02-13 by Nathan Durham
A la carte is my preference, and I definitely want one in my cabinet. nathan
On Feb 12, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Paul Schreiber wrote: > For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: > > a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) > > b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT > > The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 > more for the fully assembled. > > Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. > > Paul S. > >
2009-02-13 by Greg James
This is one I would prefer fully assembled.
-----Original Message----- From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiber Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:27 PM To: MOTM List Subject: [motm] FFB options For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 more for the fully assembled. Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. Paul S. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
2009-02-13 by Aardvark
Option A !!! 250 parts to solder!!! Bring it on!!! Al
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiber Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:27 PM To: MOTM List Subject: [motm] FFB options For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 more for the fully assembled. Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. Paul S.
2009-02-13 by Stephen Drake
For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer:
a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style)
b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT
The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100
more for the fully assembled.
Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250.
Paul S.
2009-02-13 by David Abbey
I could do option A. D. Abbey ________________________________
From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> To: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:27:03 PM Subject: [motm] FFB options For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 more for the fully assembled. Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. Paul S.
2009-02-13 by Tom Farrand
For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer:
a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style)
b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT
The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100
more for the fully assembled.
Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250.
Paul S.
2009-02-13 by Marc Bareille
Option a) !!! 250 part to solder = cool :) Cheers, Marc B. Paul Schreiber a \ufffdcrit :
> For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: > > a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) > > b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT > > The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 > more for the fully assembled. > > Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. > > Paul S. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
2009-02-13 by Eric Frampton
For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer:
a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style)
b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT
The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100
more for the fully assembled.
Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250.
Paul S.
2009-02-13 by cormallen
Definitely (b)! Thanks, Harry
> > For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: > > a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) > > b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT > > The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 > more for the fully assembled. > > Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. > > Paul S. >
2009-02-13 by Erik Ribeiro
probably B, but i would go with A after some practice with less complex modules. assembly is fun/cheaper, but i'm not so well versed at testing or troubleshooting, and i barely have enough time as it is. erik ________________________________
From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> To: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:27:03 PM Subject: [motm] FFB options For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 more for the fully assembled. Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. Paul S.
2009-02-13 by George Kisslak
If it was through hole and all parts were available from mouser/digikey/allied I could handle option a). Perhaps you could include mounting hardware in that option? George Paul Schreiber wrote:
> For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: > > a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) > > b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT > > The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 > more for the fully assembled. > > Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. > > Paul S.
2009-02-13 by Adam Schabtach
Definitely a) for me. Just outta curiosity, though, has the following observation crossed anyone else's mind: FFB has 11 pots, two for the high-/low-pass filters. With the same number of pots (and panel space), you could built an EQ module with high/low shelving bands and three fully parametric bands (each with three knobs for frequency, bandwidth, and gain). Personally I think such a module would be more useful than a bank of fixed-frequency filters, although I realize that they're two different animals and the FFB has more of a "classic" appeal. --Adam _____
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiber Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:27 PM To: MOTM List Subject: [motm] FFB options For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 more for the fully assembled. Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. Paul S.
2009-02-13 by Jeff Laity
b) makes the most business sense, one main board for both MOTM and Euro/Frac modules. On Feb 13, 2009, at 8:45 AM, Adam Schabtach wrote: > > Definitely a) for me. > > Just outta curiosity, though, has the following observation crossed > anyone else's mind: FFB has 11 pots, two for the high-/low-pass > filters. With the same number of pots (and panel space), you could > built an EQ module with high/low shelving bands and three fully > parametric bands (each with three knobs for frequency, bandwidth, > and gain). > > Personally I think such a module would be more useful than a bank of > fixed-frequency filters, although I realize that they're two > different animals and the FFB has more of a "classic" appeal. > > --Adam > > From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Paul Schreiber > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:27 PM > To: MOTM List > Subject: [motm] FFB options > > For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: > > a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) > > b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT > > The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 > more for the fully assembled. > > Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. > > Paul S. > NOTICE: This electronic mail message and its contents, including any attachments hereto (collectively, "this e-mail"), is hereby designated as "confidential and proprietary." This e-mail\ufffdmay be viewed and used only by the person to whom it has been sent and his/her employer\ufffdsolely for the express purpose for which it has been disclosed and only in\ufffdaccordance with any confidentiality or non-disclosure (or similar) agreement between TEAC Corporation or its affiliates and said employer, and may not be disclosed to any other person or entity. \ufffd \ufffd \ufffd
2009-02-13 by Scott Juskiw
I'm not committing to buying your FFB at this point (since I built my own based on JH's board). But I definitely prefer the DIY approach (option A) and would be more likely to get one if that option is available. I have little interest in "all assembled" modules.
On 12-Feb-09, at 7:27 PM, Paul Schreiber wrote: > For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: > > a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) > > b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT > > The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 > more for the fully assembled. > > Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. > > Paul S.
2009-02-13 by Adam Schabtach
Ditto for me on both of Scott's points. I can't guarantee that I'll buy an FFB at all, but I can pretty much guarantee that I won't buy a fully assembled unit. --Adam _____ From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Juskiw Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:00 AM To: MOTM List Subject: Re: [motm] FFB options I'm not committing to buying your FFB at this point (since I built my own based on JH's board). But I definitely prefer the DIY approach (option A) and would be more likely to get one if that option is available. I have little interest in "all assembled" modules.
On 12-Feb-09, at 7:27 PM, Paul Schreiber wrote: > For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: > > a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) > > b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT > > The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 > more for the fully assembled. > > Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. > > Paul S.
2009-02-13 by JH.
>I'm not committing to buying your FFB at this point (since I built my >own based on JH's board). The FFB Paul is talking about has also been designed by me, and is entirely different from my String Filter. MOTM filterbank = My modern version of the Moog Fixed Filter Bank String filter = 20 or 40 bands with rather simple 2-pole filters. JH.
2009-02-13 by Scott Juskiw
Thanks for the clarification. This makes the MOTM FFB a more viable addition to my filter cabinet(s), especially if it's a JH design. I'd still prefer to solder it myself. BTW, I'm probably the only one who turned the JH String Filter into a FFB, so my comments about not needing a MOTM FFB should not be considered a global concern.
On 13-Feb-09, at 10:12 AM, JH. wrote: > The FFB Paul is talking about has also been designed by me, and is > entirely > different from my String Filter. > > MOTM filterbank = My modern version of the Moog Fixed Filter Bank > String filter = 20 or 40 bands with rather simple 2-pole filters.
2009-02-13 by rogerpellegrini
I'd go for option(b). At the risk of raising the ire of the many soldering fans on this forum, I feel compelled to ask how our friends who have chosen option (a) rationalize the economics of spending quite so many hours to save so little $ (per hour)? I never found it THAT fun! Best wishes from the Robotmakers
2009-02-13 by Jason Proctor
option (a) - these days i like to buy PCBs and then decide whether/when to build the module later.
2009-02-13 by Adam Schabtach
No ire raised on my part. For me, it has nothing to do with economics. I genuinely enjoy building modules; for me, it is "THAT fun". Roughly half of the enjoyment I derive from my modular is in the building (the other half being in the making music with it). Soldering PC boards and stuff is what I do on weekends as therapy for spending too much time with computers. Sitting in front of me right now are three PCBs that I laid out myself and had fabricated by batchpcb.com. Soldering parts to them (SMT parts, even!) is at the top of my list for Fun Things To Do This Weekend. But I realize that my interests represent a minority of the market. --Adam _____
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rogerpellegrini Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:52 AM To: motm@yahoogroups.com Subject: [motm] Re: FFB options I'd go for option(b). At the risk of raising the ire of the many soldering fans on this forum, I feel compelled to ask how our friends who have chosen option (a) rationalize the economics of spending quite so many hours to save so little $ (per hour)? I never found it THAT fun! Best wishes from the Robotmakers
2009-02-13 by wjhall11
No - no ire here either. I completely understand the point - if you count our time, our synth is more expensive than if we had boughten the modules already built. But, of course, we like building them and then, too, we've augmented the Synth Tech stuff with other modules which are unavailable ready-made. And we've modified the Synth Tech stuff in the building of them - adding the Tellun 800db, for instance, to our 800ds. Bill --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach" <lists@...> wrote: > > No ire raised on my part. For me, it has nothing to do with economics. I > genuinely enjoy building modules; for me, it is "THAT fun". Roughly half of > the enjoyment I derive from my modular is in the building (the other half > being in the making music with it). Soldering PC boards and stuff is what I > do on weekends as therapy for spending too much time with computers. Sitting > in front of me right now are three PCBs that I laid out myself and had > fabricated by batchpcb.com. Soldering parts to them (SMT parts, even!) is at
> the top of my list for Fun Things To Do This Weekend. > > But I realize that my interests represent a minority of the market. > > --Adam > > > _____ > > From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > rogerpellegrini > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:52 AM > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [motm] Re: FFB options > > > > I'd go for option(b). > > At the risk of raising the ire of the many soldering fans on this > forum, I feel compelled to ask how our friends who have chosen option > (a) rationalize the economics of spending quite so many hours to save > so little $ (per hour)? > > I never found it THAT fun! > > Best wishes from the Robotmakers >
2009-02-13 by jneilnyc
I was happy to build the kits that I did, but I never got into building modules as an end in itself, it was simply an expedient (and cost-effective) way to get myself a modular. Building kits was satisfying enough, but I don't get any enjoyment from sourcing parts, and if the choice comes down to starting from a PCB and a panel or just getting a working module in the mail, I'd probably go with the latter. Having invested 4 years in getting my modular up and running, I'd rather put time now into working *with* it rather than *on* it. JN --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "rogerpellegrini" <rogerpellegrini@...> wrote:
> > I'd go for option(b). > > At the risk of raising the ire of the many soldering fans on this > forum, I feel compelled to ask how our friends who have chosen option > (a) rationalize the economics of spending quite so many hours to save > so little $ (per hour)? > > I never found it THAT fun! > > Best wishes from the Robotmakers >
2009-02-13 by Nathan Durham
Well, I used to live in New York City and make $50/hr. Now I live in a small town in Michigan and make $10/hr part time. For me, the Time=Money equation has shifted dramatically. (I'm really appreciating the extra time, BTW.) However, even in the city I preferred to do my own soldering; I felt like I was learning something, and now I'm pretty comfortable doing most kinds of maintenance in my studio, as well as having a few Oakley modules and other third party kits in my rack. nathan
On Feb 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, rogerpellegrini wrote: > I'd go for option(b). > > At the risk of raising the ire of the many soldering fans on this > forum, I feel compelled to ask how our friends who have chosen option > (a) rationalize the economics of spending quite so many hours to save > so little $ (per hour)? > > I never found it THAT fun! > > Best wishes from the Robotmakers > >
2009-02-13 by Scott Juskiw
I don't rationalize the economics at all, I just LOVE soldering. I enjoy building things with my hands, even most of the cabinets and desks in my studio are built by me, custom made for whatever nook & cranny I'm trying to fit something into. It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of fun. My day gig is all software design and testing, blech. I need hardware to bring my universe back into balance.
> > At the risk of raising the ire of the many soldering fans on this > forum, I feel compelled to ask how our friends who have chosen option > (a) rationalize the economics of spending quite so many hours to save > so little $ (per hour)?
2009-02-13 by John L Rice
+1 Me Too! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Juskiw Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:44 AM To: MOTM List Subject: Re: [motm] Re: FFB options I don't rationalize the economics at all, I just LOVE soldering. I enjoy building things with my hands, even most of the cabinets and desks in my studio are built by me, custom made for whatever nook & cranny I'm trying to fit something into. It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of fun. My day gig is all software design and testing, blech. I need hardware to bring my universe back into balance.
> > At the risk of raising the ire of the many soldering fans on this > forum, I feel compelled to ask how our friends who have chosen option > (a) rationalize the economics of spending quite so many hours to save > so little $ (per hour)?
2009-02-13 by Jason Proctor
right there with you. there's something massively zen about soldering. it's one of those things like cooking, where if you rush it or don't pay attention, you'll screw it up. but as long as you take time and care with it, the result is yummy! i don't buy anything assembled any more - and if you'd told the me of 5 years ago that, i'd have laughed you out of town.
>I don't rationalize the economics at all, I just LOVE soldering. I >enjoy building things with my hands, even most of the cabinets and >desks in my studio are built by me, custom made for whatever nook & >cranny I'm trying to fit something into. It's not a matter of money, >it's a matter of fun. My day gig is all software design and testing, >blech. I need hardware to bring my universe back into balance.
2009-02-13 by David Moylan
I like to solder kits when I have the time but in the last 6 months or so I've had very little time. I've got a bunch of bare PCBs and populated PCBs waiting to be completed, most are modules that I really want to be experimenting with but there are only so many hours in a day. I would have laughed a year or two ago if you said I'd prefer assembled but right now I would. In six more months...who knows? Dave Jason Proctor wrote:
> > > right there with you. there's something massively zen about > soldering. it's one of those things like cooking, where if you rush > it or don't pay attention, you'll screw it up. but as long as you > take time and care with it, the result is yummy! > > i don't buy anything assembled any more - and if you'd told the me of > 5 years ago that, i'd have laughed you out of town. > > >I don't rationalize the economics at all, I just LOVE soldering. I > >enjoy building things with my hands, even most of the cabinets and > >desks in my studio are built by me, custom made for whatever nook & > >cranny I'm trying to fit something into. It's not a matter of money, > >it's a matter of fun. My day gig is all software design and testing, > >blech. I need hardware to bring my universe back into balance. > > __._,
2009-02-13 by David Abbey
Actually, I would purchase an assembled FFB, if that's the way Paul needs to go. I just want one. So I can go either way. Been waiting, what, 3 years for its debut? I know there are other ways to go but if I can put a MOTM module in the cabinet, so much the better. ________________________________
From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> To: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:27:03 PM Subject: [motm] FFB options For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 more for the fully assembled. Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. Paul S.
2009-02-14 by John Mahoney
I like to build modules, but only to a certain extent. With over 200 parts, I would not want to solder it together (sourcing the parts wouldn't be fun, either). I'm not getting in line for a FFB -- I'd love one, but it's not in my current module budget. If I were, though, it would be via option "b". I'm not a member of the "I must solder it all by myself" club. ;-) Seems to me that customization is an option whether or not you solder the PCB, as long as you have the schematic. How about a semi-kit that has an assembled SMT PCB but everything else is DIY? (I.e., how about selling MOTM 2.0 boards without Frac panels/knobs/jacks?) Anyone who desires more time dodging flux smoke can build one of those clock kits that Paul got for Christmas! :-) John At 09:27 PM 2/12/2009, Paul Schreiber wrote:
>For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: > >a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) > >b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT > >The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 >more for the fully assembled. > >Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. > >Paul S.
2009-02-14 by Richard Brewster
I'm the same. It's not for the economics (although that is a part of it) that I prefer to build stuff. I'm also one of the people grinding away at the day job writing software. That's a kind of building and it has its satisfactions, but it's not the same as making a physical object -- and at work I'm doing what somebody else wants. The only pre-assembled modules I own were either a) only available assembled, or b) purchased used, assembled by somebody else (only two of these). So when I have a choice, I build. The MOTM kits were too easy for me. I like MOTM 2.0 better! Richard Brewster http://www.pugix.com Jason Proctor wrote:
> right there with you. there's something massively zen about > soldering. it's one of those things like cooking, where if you rush > it or don't pay attention, you'll screw it up. but as long as you > take time and care with it, the result is yummy! > > i don't buy anything assembled any more - and if you'd told the me of > 5 years ago that, i'd have laughed you out of town. > > > > > >> I don't rationalize the economics at all, I just LOVE soldering. I >> enjoy building things with my hands, even most of the cabinets and >> desks in my studio are built by me, custom made for whatever nook & >> cranny I'm trying to fit something into. It's not a matter of money, >> it's a matter of fun. My day gig is all software design and testing, >> blech. I need hardware to bring my universe back into balance. >> > >
2009-02-14 by David Abbey
Interesting. Software designing types want contact with hardware. I install DC power equipment. I have hands on hardware everyday from alarm circuits to -48volt high current hot cuts in working phone offices. I don't always want to build stuff anymore. I can, but.... ________________________________ From: Richard Brewster <pugix@...> To: Jason Proctor <jason@...> Cc: MOTM <motm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:24:40 PM Subject: Re: [motm] Re: FFB options I'm the same. It's not for the economics (although that is a part of it) that I prefer to build stuff. I'm also one of the people grinding away at the day job writing software. That's a kind of building and it has its satisfactions, but it's not the same as making a physical object -- and at work I'm doing what somebody else wants. The only pre-assembled modules I own were either a) only available assembled, or b) purchased used, assembled by somebody else (only two of these). So when I have a choice, I build. The MOTM kits were too easy for me. I like MOTM 2.0 better! Richard Brewster http://www.pugix. com Jason Proctor wrote:
> right there with you. there's something massively zen about > soldering. it's one of those things like cooking, where if you rush > it or don't pay attention, you'll screw it up. but as long as you > take time and care with it, the result is yummy! > > i don't buy anything assembled any more - and if you'd told the me of > 5 years ago that, i'd have laughed you out of town. > > > > > >> I don't rationalize the economics at all, I just LOVE soldering. I >> enjoy building things with my hands, even most of the cabinets and >> desks in my studio are built by me, custom made for whatever nook & >> cranny I'm trying to fit something into. It's not a matter of money, >> it's a matter of fun. My day gig is all software design and testing, >> blech. I need hardware to bring my universe back into balance. >> > >
2009-02-14 by George Kisslak
My sentiments are exactly as described by Adam - add me to the minority! George (Geeze, all these posts in the middle of the day - do any of you have real jobs? :) Adam Schabtach wrote:
> No ire raised on my part. For me, it has nothing to do with economics. I > genuinely enjoy building modules; for me, it is "THAT fun". Roughly half > of the enjoyment I derive from my modular is in the building (the other > half being in the making music with it). Soldering PC boards and stuff > is what I do on weekends as therapy for spending too much time with > computers. Sitting in front of me right now are three PCBs that I laid > out myself and had fabricated by batchpcb.com. Soldering parts to them > (SMT parts, even!) is at the top of my list for Fun Things To Do This > Weekend. > > But I realize that my interests represent a minority of the market. > > --Adam
2009-02-14 by George Kisslak
Amen Scott. Soldering == Therapy. George Scott Juskiw wrote:
> I don't rationalize the economics at all, I just LOVE soldering. I > enjoy building things with my hands, even most of the cabinets and > desks in my studio are built by me, custom made for whatever nook & > cranny I'm trying to fit something into. It's not a matter of money, > it's a matter of fun. My day gig is all software design and testing, > blech. I need hardware to bring my universe back into balance. > >> At the risk of raising the ire of the many soldering fans on this >> forum, I feel compelled to ask how our friends who have chosen option >> (a) rationalize the economics of spending quite so many hours to save >> so little $ (per hour)?
2009-02-14 by cormallen
Not always true - I'm another software guy, but work keeps me so busy that I don't get much time for much else. As a consequence, I'd rather spend my limited time making music than making modules, even though that's something I would normally find quite fun. (It also doesn't help that I have a couple of horses and they always get first call on my free time: you can leave a half-finished module on the shelf for a couple of months, but horses don't react well to that sort of treatment :-) Harry --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, David Abbey <abbeysynth@...> wrote: > > Interesting. Software designing types want contact with hardware. I > install DC power equipment. I have hands on hardware everyday from > alarm circuits to -48volt high current hot cuts in working phone > offices. I don't always want to build stuff anymore. I can, but.... > > > > ________________________________ > From: Richard Brewster <pugix@...> > To: Jason Proctor <jason@...> > Cc: MOTM <motm@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:24:40 PM > Subject: Re: [motm] Re: FFB options > > > I'm the same. It's not for the economics (although that is a part of > it) that I prefer to build stuff. I'm also one of the people grinding > away at the day job writing software. That's a kind of building and it > has its satisfactions, but it's not the same as making a physical object
> -- and at work I'm doing what somebody else wants. The only > pre-assembled modules I own were either a) only available assembled, or > b) purchased used, assembled by somebody else (only two of these). So > when I have a choice, I build. The MOTM kits were too easy for me. I > like MOTM 2.0 better! > > Richard Brewster > http://www.pugix. com > > Jason Proctor wrote: > > right there with you. there's something massively zen about > > soldering. it's one of those things like cooking, where if you rush > > it or don't pay attention, you'll screw it up. but as long as you > > take time and care with it, the result is yummy! > > > > i don't buy anything assembled any more - and if you'd told the me of > > 5 years ago that, i'd have laughed you out of town. > > > > > > > > > > > >> I don't rationalize the economics at all, I just LOVE soldering. I > >> enjoy building things with my hands, even most of the cabinets and > >> desks in my studio are built by me, custom made for whatever nook & > >> cranny I'm trying to fit something into. It's not a matter of money, > >> it's a matter of fun. My day gig is all software design and testing, > >> blech. I need hardware to bring my universe back into balance. > >> > > > > >
2009-02-14 by Graham Atkins
Count me in this group as well Graham
On 14 Feb 2009, at 01:02, George Kisslak wrote: > My sentiments are exactly as described by Adam - add me to the > minority! > > George > > (Geeze, all these posts in the middle of the day - do any of you > have real > jobs? :) > > Adam Schabtach wrote: > > No ire raised on my part. For me, it has nothing to do with > economics. I > > genuinely enjoy building modules; for me, it is "THAT fun". > Roughly half > > of the enjoyment I derive from my modular is in the building (the > other > > half being in the making music with it). Soldering PC boards and > stuff > > is what I do on weekends as therapy for spending too much time with > > computers. Sitting in front of me right now are three PCBs that I > laid > > out myself and had fabricated by batchpcb.com. Soldering parts to > them > > (SMT parts, even!) is at the top of my list for Fun Things To Do > This > > Weekend. > > > > But I realize that my interests represent a minority of the market. > > > > --Adam > >
2009-02-15 by Luca Pilla
For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer:
a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style)
b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT
The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100
more for the fully assembled.
Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250.
Paul S.
2009-02-15 by contexmedia
I'll prefer the b) option, but I will also purchase the a) option if you decide to take this approch. Niklas Contex Media Denmark --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
> > For those interested in the Fixed Filter Bank, would you prefer: > > a) buy boards, front panel and pots "a la cart" (MOTM 2.0 style) > > b) buy it all assembled, with the same pots but in SMT > > The delivery times would be the same. Cost-wise, assume $100 > more for the fully assembled. > > Note that this module has a LOT of parts, probably close to 250. > > Paul S. >
2009-02-15 by James Elliott
I'd go for option(b).
At the risk of raising the ire of the many soldering fans on this
forum, I feel compelled to ask how our friends who have chosen option
(a) rationalize the economics of spending quite so many hours to save
so little $ (per hour)?
I never found it THAT fun!
Best wishes from the Robotmakers