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paul,
an interesting view of one mans vision.....
p.s. - 3 filters are out, what are the other 4 going to be /
best,
dave v.

Paul,
I tried to find "Secrets of Synthesis" to no avail. In my wanderings I found 
this site:
http://www.wendycarlos.com//index.html

On her page I found this info about the CD:

The final Carlos contract album with CBS/Sony, released in late
1986, including on CD. Unavailable since the masters were reclaimed
by Carlos in late 1996, although any remaining stock was permitted
to be sold out.

There is much info about all of her other albums both in and out of print. 
Very interesting.


>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>Reply-To: motm@onelist.com
>To: "MOTM listserv" <motm@onelist.com>
>Subject: [motm] Are there any "new" sounds? [long]
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:35:02 -0600
>
><<taking a break at the 1/2-way point of MOTM-440 kitting>>
>
>I always like to delve into this area myself. Just a couple of ramblings:
>
>a) everyone should *immediately* buy Wendy Carlos' CD "Secrets of
>Synthesis".
>I think EastSide Digital has them (also check The Artist's Shop). This is a
>CD that
>is in the form of a college lecture. She explains how both the Moog and the
>DKI Synergy
>(see www.synthtech.com/synergy) are used in her work, and how a certain
>"feature"
>is used/needed to produce a desired result.
>

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Great comments Paul.

I second the suggestion that if you are into Synthesis with a capital "S"
(and if you're using a modular, I think you qualify!), you MUST have a copy
of Carlos' "Secrets of Synthesis." Also, her new SOB boxed set is worth the
price for the abandoned tracks and the booklets it comes with alone.

In SOS, she follows the technology she used over the years, eventually all
but abandoning her modular out of frustration. But you have to keep in mind
the particulars of working in that medium at that time! It WAS pretty
frustrating! You had an 8-channel recorder and VCOs that drifted between
takes, primitive (by comparison) noise reduction, and so on.

As you stated, manufacturers hit a fork in the road and started going for
limited poly monsters and abandoned the modular idea, for us a really bad
decision. With the advent of inexpensive, even "home" multitrack digital
recording and the repeatability and editing capabilities of MIDI control, as
well as quieter, more stable electronics, I think the modular is poised to
come into its own again, at least for the people who are willing to learn
how to use it.

I'm continually amazed at people who look at a monophonic synthesizer and
say, "What, you can only play one note at a time?" That's true of the vast
majority of instruments in human history! Really, if you're doing big
orchestral recordings, do you just want to hold down a triad on a sampling
poly-synth, or do you want to articulate each individual note independently,
like a real orchestra? Sure, the latter is more work, but the results pay
off big time. For me, a big flexible modular and a hard-disk recorder with
unlimited overdubbing capabilities wins out over a wavetable poly-synth and
a four track every time.

[Flame suit on:] Personally, as much as I love the sounds of analog and am
very happy to get them back into my arsenal again via my modular, I'm not
philosophically against modules with digital back-ends at all, if they add
new capabilities. As long as they are patchable and can be voltage
controlled. That's the side that I'm a purist about, not which chips are on
the other side of the front panel. I think there's room for all kinds of
stuff back there!

SoS may currently be out of print, then. I think Carlos intends to
re-release as much of her stuff as possible (including the Tron and Shining
soundtracks) via East Side, as soon as she can clear legal hurdles.

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	james holloway [mailto:jimh54@...] 
Sent:	Thursday, 23 March, 2000 8:20 AM
To:	motm@onelist.com
Subject:	Re: [motm] Are there any "new" sounds? [long]

From: "james holloway" <jimh54@...>

Paul,
I tried to find "Secrets of Synthesis" to no avail. In my wanderings I found

this site:
http://www.wendycarlos.com//index.html

> c) If you want to hear "new sounds", the best thing I've personally heard
in
> the
> last 10 years is the (now being blown out) Yamaha FS1R FM-based module.

I agree with this.  I really dig mine.  But I also agree that the
programming interface is wretched.    After playing with the FS1R a while
you find yourself wishing desperately for
the (I'm dreaming here) FS2R with 30 knobs, & a bigger LCD screen, easily
programmed formant settings, & a manual that's actually useful.

tomr

on the fss list some people have interfaced stuff like KAOS pad or other 
multi knob boxes to the FS1R. seems to work pretty good for them. I just 
play with the presets. There are so many I hae yet to hear them all.

>From: hodad1@...
>Reply-To: motm@onelist.com
>To: <motm@onelist.com>
>Subject: Re: [motm] Are there any "new" sounds? [long]
>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:30:33 -0500
>
> > c) If you want to hear "new sounds", the best thing I've personally 
>heard
>in
> > the
> > last 10 years is the (now being blown out) Yamaha FS1R FM-based module.
>
>I agree with this.  I really dig mine.  But I also agree that the
>programming interface is wretched.    After playing with the FS1R a while
>you find yourself wishing desperately for
>the (I'm dreaming here) FS2R with 30 knobs, & a bigger LCD screen, easily
>programmed formant settings, & a manual that's actually useful.
>
>tomr
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 03/23/2000 11:09:47 AM, hodad1@... writes:

<< After playing with the FS1R a while you find yourself wishing desperately 
for

the (I'm dreaming here) FS2R with 30 knobs, & a bigger LCD screen, easily 
programmed formant settings, & a manual that's actually useful. >>

Has anyone tried using a patch editor like SoundDiver with the FS1R?  I've 
been meaning to buy a copy of this; looks quite cool.

http://www.emagic.de/english/products/software/sounddiver/yamaha_fs1r.html

Ivan

> From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
> 
> Now, don't get me wrong. I grew up on Mini solos
> (my favorite is Head East's "Going Down for the Last Time")

Wonderful song from the Flat as a pancake album.  I did recently find this
on CD.

Larry H

There will be "some" FS1R support in the Version 3 software in May. Wait
until then!!

<Paul S>

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> From: ivancu@...
>
>
> In a message dated 03/23/2000 11:09:47 AM, hodad1@... writes:
>
> << After playing with the FS1R a while you find yourself wishing
desperately

> for
>
> the (I'm dreaming here) FS2R with 30 knobs, & a bigger LCD screen, easily
> programmed formant settings, & a manual that's actually useful. >>
>
> Has anyone tried using a patch editor like SoundDiver with the FS1R?  I've
> been meaning to buy a copy of this; looks quite cool.
>
> http://www.emagic.de/english/products/software/sounddiver/yamaha_fs1r.html
>
> Ivan
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>From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>

> 

> Now, don't get me wrong. I grew up on Mini solos >>

Sure there were the Mini solos (pop as well as the Chick Coreas and Jan 
Hammers of the world), but a big influence on me was the Mini bass sound.  
Funkadelic, Gary Wright (his non-hit stuff), and others got great meaty bass 
sounds out of the MiniMoog ages ago (before everyone sampled these same 
sounds and used them again).  Another interesting sound was Roger Troutman 
who was known for using his MiniMoog through a Heil talkbox.  Everyone 
thought it was a vocoder, but it was much simpler than that.

Ivan

In a message dated 03/23/2000 7:18:19 PM, synth1@... writes:

<< There will be "some" FS1R support in the Version 3 software in May. Wait

until then!! >>

Thanks for the heads-up Paul!

Ivan

(james holloway) writes:

>>Paul, I tried to find "Secrets of Synthesis" to no avail.<<

As someone else mentioned, "Secrets of Synthesis" has been out of print, and 
for quite some time.  But at the link below, you can buy a sealed vinyl copy 
for $30.

http://www.musicfile.com/

I have soundiver and it does indeed have an FS1R editor. The software has 
some configuration problems in my setup but I understand version 3 will be 
better. The problems are with the way Yahama implements MIDI in the FS1R. It 
does work, but is very slow uploading/downloading sounds.

>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>Reply-To: motm@onelist.com
>To: <motm@onelist.com>
>Subject: Re: [motm] Are there any "new" sounds? [long]
>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:19:04 -0600
>
>There will be "some" FS1R support in the Version 3 software in May. Wait
>until then!!
>
><Paul S>
>
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>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 5:39 PM
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>
> > From: ivancu@...
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 03/23/2000 11:09:47 AM, hodad1@... writes:
> >
> > << After playing with the FS1R a while you find yourself wishing
>desperately
> > for
> >
> > the (I'm dreaming here) FS2R with 30 knobs, & a bigger LCD screen, 
>easily
> > programmed formant settings, & a manual that's actually useful. >>
> >
> > Has anyone tried using a patch editor like SoundDiver with the FS1R?  
>I've
> > been meaning to buy a copy of this; looks quite cool.
> >
> > 
>http://www.emagic.de/english/products/software/sounddiver/yamaha_fs1r.html
> >
> > Ivan
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