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Newbie question

2000-05-26 by andy@gooboworks.com

The different MOTM kits are marked with difficulty easy, medium, and 
difficult.  In particular the 300 is labeled difficult.   From those 
folk who have assembled one, is the difficulty in the assembly or in 
the calibration or both?

I have assembled many HeathKits in the early 70's, and PAIA kits from 
the mid 70's into the 80's, and some of the newer PAIA kits recently. 
 I do not own an oscilloscope, and I have used one in the past in 
various college labs, however I will not claim to know how to use 
one now.

If I order a 300 kit, what am I in for to get it working?

By the way, Fred B. and Celeste H. met at my house a short ways back 
at the first Bay Area MOTM club meeting.   I have no MOTM stuff now, 
but that will change soon.

Thanks in advance 
Andy Miller

RE: [motm] Newbie question

2000-05-26 by Dave Bradley

Everything is relative. If you have assembled kits before, can solder
neatly, follow instructions, and have a good ear, you can assemble the 300
and calibrate it just fine without an oscilloscope. The scope is darned
useful to troubleshoot if something goes wrong, however.

Dave Bradley
Principal Software Engineer
Engineering Animation, Inc.
daveb@...
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> The different MOTM kits are marked with difficulty easy, medium, and
> difficult.  In particular the 300 is labeled difficult.   From those
> folk who have assembled one, is the difficulty in the assembly or in
> the calibration or both?
>
> I have assembled many HeathKits in the early 70's, and PAIA kits from
> the mid 70's into the 80's, and some of the newer PAIA kits recently.
>  I do not own an oscilloscope, and I have used one in the past in
> various college labs, however I will not claim to know how to use
> one now.
>
> If I order a 300 kit, what am I in for to get it working?
>
> By the way, Fred B. and Celeste H. met at my house a short ways back
> at the first Bay Area MOTM club meeting.   I have no MOTM stuff now,
> but that will change soon.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Andy Miller
>
>
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RE: [motm] Newbie question

2000-05-26 by Tkacs, Ken

In my opinion, the MOTM-300 is not a "difficult" kit. It is a
*time-consuming* one with the large amount of parts (relatively), and there
is one particular step that requires seating a delicate component on top of
another with heat sink grease (not included) that must be done correctly the
first time. The instructions warn you in big letters to take your time and
do it right. It's not brain surgery, you just have to keep an eye open and
do it properly.

In my own experience, calibration of this unit was a snap. I think you will
find that calibration ease will depend on what you're using as a voltage
source. The only keyboard that I have that puts out v/oct control voltages
is my Korg Monopoly, which always sounded "in tune" to my ear. But when I
measured the CV out with a digital volt meter, I was astounded how "off" the
voltages were (voltage should double every octave. Instead, I used a MIDI
keyboard driving an Encore Expressionist which puts out very stable
voltages. Using that setup, I calibrated three MOTM-300s in about 20
minutes. Rock solid, what a joy. I didn't need an oscilloscope, but I have
an accurate frequency counter built into my DVM ($99). I was able to tune
the 300 VCO to three-decimal accuracy over five octaves using the above
setup. Please note that your power supply makes a big difference in the
stability, and therefore calibration and tuning ease, of your oscillator.
The MOTM-900 is very stable.

I, too, come from a Paia/Heathkit background. I think you will find the MOTM
kits a very pleasant experience. If you've built kits from those other
vendors, you should have no trouble with MOTM kits. My first two were a
power supply and VCO. The power supply comes nearly built (it takes about 15
minutes to physically put it together); the VCO took me about six hours to
build the first time (as opposed to an hour for the MOTM-800 envelope
generator). Now I bang out 300s in about 4 hours, still taking my time and
doing it correctly.

Hope this helps.
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The different MOTM kits are marked with difficulty easy, medium, and 
difficult.  In particular the 300 is labeled difficult.   From those 
folk who have assembled one, is the difficulty in the assembly or in 
the calibration or both?

I have assembled many HeathKits in the early 70's, and PAIA kits from 
the mid 70's into the 80's, and some of the newer PAIA kits recently. 
 I do not own an oscilloscope, and I have used one in the past in 
various college labs, however I will not claim to know how to use 
one now.

If I order a 300 kit, what am I in for to get it working?

By the way, Fred B. and Celeste H. met at my house a short ways back 
at the first Bay Area MOTM club meeting.   I have no MOTM stuff now, 
but that will change soon.

Thanks in advance 
Andy Miller


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RE: [motm] Newbie question

2000-05-26 by Tkacs, Ken

Whoops, in my last email, I said, "voltage should double every octave."
Obviously, that's *frequency* that doubles every octave, and the voltage
should go up exactly one volt for each octave. That's why we call it "volts
per octave" response. Duh. Sorry about that. I'm trying to find out why our
payroll server isn't working while I'm checking my MOTM Email... You can see
where my priorities are (heh-heh).

Re: [motm] Newbie question

2000-05-26 by hodad1@mindspring.com

Calibration without a scope is not that hard(though not as accurate as with
a scope, I would assume)--assembly is more difficult because of the
abundance of parts and the light touch required on the install of a couple
of parts.  If you've soldered kits in the past, you shouldn't have a
problem.

tomr

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> The different MOTM kits are marked with difficulty easy, medium, and
> difficult.  In particular the 300 is labeled difficult.   From those
> folk who have assembled one, is the difficulty in the assembly or in
> the calibration or both?
>
> I have assembled many HeathKits in the early 70's, and PAIA kits from
> the mid 70's into the 80's, and some of the newer PAIA kits recently.
>  I do not own an oscilloscope, and I have used one in the past in
> various college labs, however I will not claim to know how to use
> one now.
>
> If I order a 300 kit, what am I in for to get it working?
>
> By the way, Fred B. and Celeste H. met at my house a short ways back
> at the first Bay Area MOTM club meeting.   I have no MOTM stuff now,
> but that will change soon.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Andy Miller
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> FREE 16 track CD with Purchase at Virgin Megastore Online!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4208/5/_/529958/_/959364774/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

RE: [motm] Newbie question

2000-05-26 by The Old Crow

On Fri, 26 May 2000, Tkacs, Ken wrote:

> 
> Whoops, in my last email, I said, "voltage should double every octave."

> I'm trying to find out why our payroll server isn't working while I'm
> checking my MOTM Email... You can see where my priorities are
> (heh-heh).

  You get paid in volts?  Cool!  ;)

Crow

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RE: [motm] Newbie question

2000-05-26 by Tkacs, Ken

Yeah, that's how they keep me hopping! Woo-hoo!
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  You get paid in volts?  Cool!  ;)

Re: [motm] Newbie question

2000-05-27 by J. Larry Hendry

>   You get paid in volts?  Cool!  ;)
> 
> Crow

Speaking from a guy who routinely works around voltages in the hundreds of
thousands, I can say that "sometimes" more is not better.  I would hate to
try and carry too many home in my wallet.
:)
Larry H

Next Module ETA???

2000-05-27 by Tentochi

Paul,

Realistically, when do you think the next module (lag processor?) will ship?

Thanks,
Shemp

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