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In a message dated 7/25/2000 9:00:49 PM, synth1@... writes:

>3) Received dBx chips for testing the Env. Follower.

My final post (until someone else says something) about this Envelope 
Follower -- if anyone understands the coolness of an onboard (up/down) lag 
processor as well as an onboard gate extractor, then another good thing would 
be to have a switch which would enable the LP to be applied either to the EF 
output or to the Gate output. That would make that (gate) output an AR output 
-- a built in minimal EG for those lowly guitar players new to the unexplored 
frontier of analog synthesis, soon after which they'll be addicted!

JB

Stooge Barlow has this up to 4U now....sigh (and $279 kit, too!)

Paul S.
aiming somewhat lower

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From: <jwbarlow@...>
To: <motm@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] General Update


>
> In a message dated 7/25/2000 9:00:49 PM, synth1@... writes:
>
> >3) Received dBx chips for testing the Env. Follower.
>
> My final post (until someone else says something) about this Envelope
> Follower -- if anyone understands the coolness of an onboard (up/down) lag
> processor as well as an onboard gate extractor, then another good thing
would
> be to have a switch which would enable the LP to be applied either to the
EF
> output or to the Gate output. That would make that (gate) output an AR
output
> -- a built in minimal EG for those lowly guitar players new to the
unexplored

> frontier of analog synthesis, soon after which they'll be addicted!
>
> JB
>
> 
>
>
>

synth1@... writes:

>>6) '101: having to struggle with parts issues. Log pots becoming next to 
impossible to get unless you buy 600 at a time for $5ea and wait 13 weeks. 
But I'll figure it out. I may 're-issue' the '100. I do have about 30 pcbs 
left. I could make a small run of say 40 '100s and just push out the '101. 
Thoughts?<<

I can't remember what the improvements were that the 101 had, nor could I 
find them mentioned on your site.  Please let us know the differences.  And 
if you reissued the 100, would we get the new tick marks?  Maybe for one 
module we could live without sealed pots.

-Elhardt

In a message dated 7/25/2000 9:50:30 PM, synth1@... writes:

>Stooge Barlow has this up to 4U now....sigh (and $279 kit, too!)
>
>Paul S.
>aiming somewhat lower

Well, I can't really get a good handle on the prices (what, with the new 
kitchen and all) but I think you could get a pretty good compliment of Barlow 
approved features for the best Envelope Follower ever, in a 2U panel. Here's 
my list (5 knobs, 4 jacks, 1 LED, 1 switch):

1) Input Jack
2) Output Jack
3) Gate Out Jack
4) Trigger Out Jack

5) Input Level Control
6) Gate Threshold (On Level)
7) Rise Time (Up Lag/Attack)
8) Fall Time (Down Lag/Release)
9) Gate Off Threshold (Off Level)

10) LED (Barlow level indicator, or maybe Bradley Gate indicator)
11) Lag Switch (Gate > AR/EF Out > Lag EF Out)

This assumes gate and trigger are strictly related. 

I'd sacrifice 9) (gate off threshold) before anything else.

A module like this (plus a VCF and a VCA) would allow most guitar/bass 
players to do the basic EF things (i.e., compander, Mutron type filter 
things, reverse gate guitar sound by using the AR setting with long attack 
and short decay).

I'm still thinking in the $150 range, depending on whether the kitchen really 
needs those exotic hardwood cabinets.

JB

At least with upgraded modules, the old ones are still useful! The more
modules, the better. With video, you just stick the old ones in the closet.
I was one of those people who bought heavily into laserdiscs for YEARS
before DVD, and it's sad to have to replace all those laserdiscs with DVDs
whose quality increase, I'm sorry, is questionable at best.

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Al Wagner [mailto:aardvark-mi@...] 
Sent:	Thursday, 27 July, 2000 10:12 AM
To:	motm@egroups.com
Subject:	Re: [motm] General Update

If it's only going to be a couple of months I can wait for '101... If it's
going to be for extended uncertain period of time then, since I do not have
a Noise S/H, I'll take a reissue of the '100 and get the '101 later...

Hey! Isn't this what Lucas Arts is doing with Star Wars home video?  First
you have the regular VHS, then after a few years you have the "remastered"
version VHS, then within a year after everyone buys the "remaster' you have
the "special addition" VHS with "new footage" and now Lucas Arts is dangling
the DVD carrot...<ducking>

Al Wagner

If it's only going to be a couple of months I can wait for '101... If it's
going to be for extended uncertain period of time then, since I do not have
a Noise S/H, I'll take a reissue of the '100 and get the '101 later...

Hey! Isn't this what Lucas Arts is doing with Star Wars home video?  First
you have the regular VHS, then after a few years you have the "remastered"
version VHS, then within a year after everyone buys the "remaster' you have
the "special addition" VHS with "new footage" and now Lucas Arts is dangling
the DVD carrot...<ducking>

Al Wagner

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Schreiber

> 6) '101: having to struggle with parts issues. Log pots becoming next to
> impossible to get unless you buy 600
> at a time for $5ea and wait 13 weeks. But I'll figure it out. I may
> 're-issue' the '100. I do have about 30 pcbs
> left. I could make a small run of say 40 '100s and just push out the '101.
> Thoughts?

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Tkacs, Ken wrote:

> 
> At least with upgraded modules, the old ones are still useful! The
> more modules, the better. I was one of those people who bought heavily
> into laserdiscs for YEARS before DVD, and it's sad to have to replace
> all those laserdiscs with DVDs whose quality increase, I'm sorry, is
> questionable at best.

  I have about $50K invested in imported laserdiscs, mostly animation from
Japan. The key feature I enjoy about LDs are that my imports drop in and
run in my LD players without any marketing-control problems (read: region
code issues).  Now, I like DVDs for their much-improved capabilities in
the audio area, referring to multiple language tracks, etc. that go far
beyond the 2 choices for audio you get on LD.  My major complaint is that
an import DVD doesn't just drop in and run on a cots DVD player.  You have
to do something like I did and go in and hack the OS ROM of the player to
find and instruct the system to "ignore" things like disc regions.

  The big problem now is that LDs are being dropped in Japan in favor of
DVD.  Japan was by far the largest consumer of the LD format; the US had
about 3% of an equivalent LD market at its *peak*.  Gone are the days of
grabbing a title and knowing your machine will have no problems playing
it.  Arrgh!

  (As far as image quality goes, it depends on the quality of the encoder
at the disc production end.  I've seen discs with glorious images, and
I've seen discs with images that were total crap, content
notwithstanding).

Crow

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