Re: [motm] Flash! Elhardt nukes AH whining!
2000-07-28 by Cary Roberts
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2000-07-28 by Cary Roberts
>For those of you NOT on AH, consider yourselves lucky. In response to all >the whining and moaning going on over there about a lack of "innovative" >synths, given the prevalence of basic music styles such as techno, Ken got >off the zinger of the month: >..... For those not on AH, you can use Mark Pulver's excellent search engine to search the AH archives as well as show messages for a particular day. http://www.midiwall.com/archives/ah -Cary
2000-07-29 by elhardt@aol.com
daveb@... (Dave Bradley) writes: >>For those of you NOT on AH, consider yourselves lucky. In response to all the whining and moaning going on over there about a lack of "innovative" synths, given the prevalence of basic music styles such as techno, Ken got off the zinger of the month:<< Yeah, all I see anymore is that the more people are given the more they want. They're never satisfied with anything. And yet, no matter how much technology they are given, all they do is make crap with it. I just had to put things into perspective. -Elhardt
2000-07-29 by Paul Schreiber
Preach on, brother! Paul S. according to AH, "Aggie whip-cracker" ----- Original Message ----- From: <elhardt@...> To: <motm@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [motm] Flash! Elhardt nukes AH whining! > daveb@... (Dave Bradley) writes: > > >>For those of you NOT on AH, consider yourselves lucky. In response to all > the whining and moaning going on over there about a lack of "innovative" > synths, given the prevalence of basic music styles such as techno, Ken got > off the zinger of the month:<< > > Yeah, all I see anymore is that the more people are given the more they want. > They're never satisfied with anything. And yet, no matter how much > technology they are given, all they do is make crap with it. I just had to
> put things into perspective. > > -Elhardt > > > > >
2000-07-29 by davevosh@aol.com
In a message dated 00-07-29 11:19:53 EDT, you write: << They're never satisfied with anything. >> ken, i think i have to disagree with you here ( but politely ! :^) ) - whatever progress / innovation emerges from the cesspool of the "human condition" be it synths or most anything else comes from the disatisfied person who thinks " there must be a better way......". maybe we can present our complaints / wish list / whatever in a better way than to sound like we are "whining" but without the gadfly effect, ultimately, stagnation sets in. IMHO. best, dave v. p.s. - does anyone know what the origins of this antipathy i see between this list ( which i normally find very interesting ) and the "ah" list ( not as consistently interesting but i`ve seen some good stuff over the last week or so ) ? can`t we all just get along ?
2000-07-30 by The Old Crow
On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 davevosh@... wrote: > p.s. - does anyone know what the origins of this antipathy i see > between this list ( which i normally find very interesting ) and the > "ah" list ( not as consistently interesting but i`ve seen some good > stuff over the last week or so ) ? can`t we all just get along ? The schism for me lies in the fact that this list has a majority of people interested in doing some freestyle engineering on the hardware whereas AH (which I can never stand to join for more than 2 days per year) always seems to be all about attitudes and nothing about technology or even musical art. No doubt something worthwhile ends up on AH from time to time, but I just don't have the time to filter out all the posturing and other variant crap to find it. I like synthesizer *design*, not endless cycles of animosity over who's currently hippest in wrenching t3kn0 machine noise from their toys. A list filled with folks that like to solder suggests a level of enthusiasm quite above the rwars on AH. (And even for those who buy their MOTM stuff pre-built, it suggests to me that folks want quality stuff and I'm happy to be in such company). Crow /**/
2000-07-30 by elhardt@aol.com
synth1@... writes: >>Preach on, brother!<< I think the proper phrase these days is "You go girl." davevosh@... writes: >>i think i have to disagree with you here ( but politely ! :^) ) - whatever progress / innovation emerges from the cesspool of the "human condition" be it synths or most anything else comes from the disatisfied person who thinks " there must be a better way......".<< The thing is as musicians there is so much available now, that nobody in their lifetime should ever find themselves not being able to do something sonically because of lack of equipment choices. I have no problem if someone for instance would like to see an MOTM VC-Mixer module, because it would save space and money. But it doesn't do anything that some VCAs and a regular old mixer can't do. Those AH people were acting like technology is holding back their music. Infact there is probably too much technology now, which is why people who have zero musical training or knowledge are flooding this earth with pointless noise. The other thing is that they were talking about lack of innovation in analog modulars. The problem is an analog modular today still needs the same types of modules it did 30 years ago to function and create sounds. To get really sophisticated, then you have to start going to digital, and there is no lack of innovation there. Take away their drum machines, sequencers and Midi and watch 99% of them fall flat on their faces. -Elhardt
2000-07-30 by J. Larry Hendry
YOU GO GIRL !!! :) LH Elhardt wrote: Those AH people were acting like technology is holding back their music. Infact there is probably too much technology now, which is why people who have zero musical training or knowledge are flooding this earth with pointless noise.
2000-07-30 by davevosh@aol.com
In a message dated 00-07-30 14:16:18 EDT, you write: << Take away their drum machines, sequencers and Midi and watch 99% of them fall flat on their faces. >> ken, okay, i see what you are saying. not that it makes me in any way "superior" as it is a personal esthetic choice but i don`t use drum machines and my midi usage is very, very minimal. i`m pretty much just an old fashioned modular type of person :^) . i just like to see the available range of modules, from whatever manufacturer, keep on expanding. best, dave v.
2000-07-30 by jwbarlow@aol.com
In a message dated 7/30/2000 11:39:27 AM, jlarryh@... writes: >YOU GO GIRL !!! >:) LH > >Elhardt wrote: >Those AH people were acting like technology is holding back >their music. Infact there is probably too much technology now, >which is why people who have zero musical training or knowledge >are flooding this earth with pointless noise. As opposed to guys like Larry and me who do have musical training and knowledge and are also flooding this earth with pointless noise. I'll go girl too! JB But your right Elhardt, to paraphrase Paul, this is the best time yet for EM instruments!
2000-07-30 by J. Larry Hendry
JB wrote: As opposed to guys like Larry and me who do have musical training and knowledge and are also flooding this earth with pointless noise. ------- I resemble that remark. LH
2000-07-30 by elhardt@aol.com
davevosh@... writes: >>i just like to see the available range of modules, from whatever manufacturer, keep on expanding.<< Same here, but the current offerings out there certainly shouldn't be limiting anybody. And BTW, I have nothing against drum machines, sequencers and Midi when used wisely and to create something worth listening to. -Elhardt
2000-07-30 by J. Larry Hendry
From: <elhardt@...> And BTW, I have nothing against drum machines, sequencers and Midi when used wisely and to create something worth listening to. Ah !! Hence the potential rub. There seems to be a huge disparity in that range of what is "worth listening to." <grin> Somehow, lots of stuff I would not put in that category never-the-less makes its way to record labels and radio air play. I am certain I must be right and others must be totally tasteless <snicker> Larry H
2000-07-30 by The Old Crow
On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 elhardt@... wrote: > Those AH people were acting like technology is holding back their > music. Infact there is probably too much technology now, which is why > people who have zero musical training or knowledge are flooding this > earth with pointless noise. The other thing is that they were talking > about lack of innovation in analog modulars. The problem is an analog > modular today still needs the same types of modules it did 30 years > ago to function and create sounds. To get really sophisticated, then > you have to start going to digital, and there is no lack of innovation > there. This is the prime reason why I can never stay on AH. That would-be musicians blame the lack of tools when they should be blaming their lack of skill. A composer friend from Japan once said to me that the true musicians find their music despite the tools at hand. Amid our discussion I made a statement to her that holding Michaelangelo's chisel does not make one a sculptor, and (though I think I goofed the Japanse diction of the sentence and it ended up sounding like 'A sculptor, you are not Michaelangelo's chisel' which made her laugh though she understood what I was meaning to say) she said something rather odd, "music requires no tools." To this day I'm not entirely sure what she meant but my guess is that music to her is a pure rapport with one's heart (she used the term 'kokoro' which means about a billion things in Japanese, all references to the heart/soul/constitution) and that took me rather out of my view on the matter. One of these days I'll figure out what she meant, though I think I know. > Take away their drum machines, sequencers and Midi and watch 99% of > them fall flat on their faces. When the technology becomes a crutch, it is time to step back and see why one became so dependent on it. I mean, electronic music existed prior to MIDI, right? Crow, who hopes he isn't dragging too much AH into the pure realm of MOTM /**/
2000-07-31 by davevosh@aol.com
In a message dated 00-07-30 15:18:17 EDT, you write: << Same here, but the current offerings out there certainly shouldn't be limiting anybody. And BTW, I have nothing against drum machines, sequencers and Midi when used wisely and to create something worth listening to. >> ken, a quick point, i certainly didn`t mean to infer that you had anything against drum machines, midi or sequencers. i was commenting on my own esthetic "biases". and, true, the available range of modules out there are pretty much able to cover most of the bases. still, until someone releases something really different, it is always hard to see the need for it or how it might fit in or make something easier to accomplish. lets just hope that all the manufacturers out there keep up the good work. best, dave v.