MOTM

Yeah... those Paia kits are there for the price. Versatile too. I use my Hot 
Springs as a radio receiver. It picks up RF like an antennae and I have 
re-arranged and changed the lead layout 3 times. Gave up on that one. By 
Hi-Fi I meant with a lot of features like spring self oscillation and maybe 
a feedback loop. Brand "D" has one of these but it is $160. Spring reverb 
with a sweeping filter or eq triggered by a gate would yeild some crazy 
results. I love to run delays through the spring reverbs and make each tap 
sound big and spacious. On the Paia tip, I actually love there stuff because 
it got me into building kits and here I am today with an actual monophonic 
beast of a synth I built from kits. Ha!

I still want to MOTMify or Fra Rakify a EFM Super Tone Control. It has a mod 
in the instructions to make it compatible with MOTM synth levels, but it has 
no CV inputs in the schematic. You would have to figure out how and where to 
implement these if building one. Has very unique resonance characteristics. 
Kit is $30 for a fun filter with separate level knobs so you can mix 
together the high, low and bandpass responses like an EQ or just have one 
level up at a time and here only this at the output.

Anybody have any good DIY Preamp ideas? I need to run loops through my MOTM 
and I can't seem to tear my tube preamp off of my mixer sub-buss. I want a 
tube version of at least half way decnt qulity and noise. MOTM is my quitest 
analog and I don't want to muck it up with a cheap circuit.

Thomas White

PS. I am still having trouble with the inter-cabinet power cable decision 
too. Speakon sounds great because of how it locks, and so does the CB cable. 
I guess I will wander down to my local parts/surplus guy and nose around 
through some heaps of crap trying to find the obvious solution. Thanks for 
your input guys...gals? Are there any female MOTM'ers and if so where are 
you? It would be refreshing to see or know of a girl out there doing this as 
it would give me serious advantage in arguments about time spent doing 
"Things only a guy would want to do" with the fiance.



>From: "Tkacs, Ken" <ken.tkacs@...>
>Reply-To: motm@egroups.com
>To: "'motm@egroups.com'" <motm@egroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [motm] Whoa... Time Machine is here!
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:00:35 -0400
>
>
>Spring reverb doesn't really need to be hi-fi, as such...it just needs to 
>be
>low noise. It is possible to have a low-noise spring reverb that sounds
>good. As has been mentioned on this list before, a couple of channels of 
>the
>Anderton/PAIA "Hot Springs" reverb makes for a pretty good sound at a 
>decent
>price. To make a decent MOTM-like module out of it, you just need to design
>some kind of input/output amplifier/mixer.
>

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Howdy,
   This is in response to a pretty old thread; I've taken the summer off from 
synth stuff and am starting to slowly get back in.
   Awhile back, your postings were 'ranting' about spring reverbs, and 
therein lies my question.  30 years ago, I was doing a little work on a Moog 
modular, and it seemed to me the reverb might have been an actual spring, 
like you hit the table and get a sound.
    I've now got a digital Alesis w/ more reverbs than I ever knew existed, 
but I don't think it matches the depth or presence of, what I recall, the 
Moog had.  It was almost like an old rock 'n roll echo chamber. 
   So, am I out to lunch, or what.  I'd like to persue the old technology.  
Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks,  Ernie Steck

PAiA sells a kit for spring reverb.  I have one and like it (as much as you
can like a spring reverb).  I have a love hate relationship with spring
reverbs.  They are a unique sound.  But, the clarity of digital reverb is
just not there.  They have little high end response.  They are what they
are.  If you like that sound, it hasn't changed much.
Larry Hendry

----- Original Message -----
From: <eiii@...>
To: <motm@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] Spring Reverb RF Ranting


Howdy,
   This is in response to a pretty old thread; I've taken the summer off
from
synth stuff and am starting to slowly get back in.
   Awhile back, your postings were 'ranting' about spring reverbs, and
therein lies my question.  30 years ago, I was doing a little work on a Moog
modular, and it seemed to me the reverb might have been an actual spring,
like you hit the table and get a sound.
    I've now got a digital Alesis w/ more reverbs than I ever knew existed,
but I don't think it matches the depth or presence of, what I recall, the
Moog had.  It was almost like an old rock 'n roll echo chamber.
   So, am I out to lunch, or what.  I'd like to persue the old technology.
Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks,  Ernie Steck

Speaking of springyverbs, I saw in the latest EM or SoundOnSound that a
company is making a dual spring reverb in a 1U rack.  It has a "short"
(0.8?) second reverb and a long (1.5?) second reverb, which can be used in
serial, and possibly also in parallel.  It was kind pricey at six or seven
hundred dollars... but now that I think of it, if it was in SOS, it would
have been 6-700 pounds, which would be even worse!

Anyway, they, like the truth, injustice, and ex-significant-others, are out
there.  For better or for worse.  I'd like to hear it, personally...

--PBr

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	J. Larry Hendry [SMTP:jlarryh@...]
> Sent:	Tuesday, September 26, 2000 8:10 PM
> To:	motm@egroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [motm] Spring Reverb RF Ranting
> 
> PAiA sells a kit for spring reverb.  I have one and like it (as much as
> you
> can like a spring reverb).  I have a love hate relationship with spring
> reverbs.  They are a unique sound.  But, the clarity of digital reverb is
> just not there.  They have little high end response.  They are what they
> are.  If you like that sound, it hasn't changed much.
> Larry Hendry
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <eiii@...>
> To: <motm@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [motm] Spring Reverb RF Ranting
> 
> 
> Howdy,
>    This is in response to a pretty old thread; I've taken the summer off
> from
> synth stuff and am starting to slowly get back in.
>    Awhile back, your postings were 'ranting' about spring reverbs, and
> therein lies my question.  30 years ago, I was doing a little work on a
> Moog
> modular, and it seemed to me the reverb might have been an actual spring,
> like you hit the table and get a sound.
>     I've now got a digital Alesis w/ more reverbs than I ever knew
> existed,
> but I don't think it matches the depth or presence of, what I recall, the
> Moog had.  It was almost like an old rock 'n roll echo chamber.
>    So, am I out to lunch, or what.  I'd like to persue the old technology.
> Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks,  Ernie Steck
>

In a message dated 9/28/00 5:36:24 PM, noise@... writes:

<< Speaking of springyverbs, I saw in the latest EM or SoundOnSound that a
company is making a dual spring reverb in a 1U rack.  >>

I recommend finding used units for much less money.  The old MasterRoom 
reverbs were nice, as well as the Orban.  There were many less expensive ones 
such as Tapco, Furman, and dozens others.  eBay and the like are good 
sources.  Shouldn't pay more than $200 for a nice one.

Ivan

The PAiA dual tank reverb can easily be built into a single rack unit.
That's the way I built mine.
Larry H

----- Original Message -----
From: <ivancu@...>
To: <motm@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] Spring Reverb RF Ranting



In a message dated 9/28/00 5:36:24 PM, noise@... writes:

<< Speaking of springyverbs, I saw in the latest EM or SoundOnSound that a
company is making a dual spring reverb in a 1U rack.  >>

I recommend finding used units for much less money.  The old MasterRoom
reverbs were nice, as well as the Orban.  There were many less expensive
ones
such as Tapco, Furman, and dozens others.  eBay and the like are good
sources.  Shouldn't pay more than $200 for a nice one.

Ivan

I use a Furman RV-2 stereo/dual-mono spring reverb with EQ and limiter with
MOTM (and everything else) on almost everything. It also comes in a mono
version, RV-1. I love the reverb, but the limiter is great too. They seem to
be going up in price a bit, so you may want to find one sooner than later (I
think that goes for all commercial/non-kit spring reverbs due to their
"vintage" status I guess).

If you just want to fool around, you could pick up a hi-fi spring reverb
really cheap--I have several by Sansui and Pioneer. My monitor stand at work
is a Sansui RA-500 (on top of a Roland TR77); actually 3 of us in the office
are using old hi-fi reverberation amplifiers for monitor stands! I haven't
used any of them in the studio yet (can't seem to get them home, 'cause
they're, um, holding up monitors) but we shot a CD through one and it
sounded somewhat bright and nice. We'll see. They're all over eBay. The
other cheap-o to look out for (which may be identical inside--anyone?) is
the Pioneer 202W (I think). There are several other models, with variations
on model numbers...

Anyone using one of these in the studio?

David.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ivancu@... [mailto:ivancu@...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:39 PM
> To: motm@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] Spring Reverb RF Ranting
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 9/28/00 5:36:24 PM, noise@... writes:
> 
> << Speaking of springyverbs, I saw in the latest EM or 
> SoundOnSound that a
> company is making a dual spring reverb in a 1U rack.  >>
> 
> I recommend finding used units for much less money.  The old 
> MasterRoom 
> reverbs were nice, as well as the Orban.  There were many 
> less expensive ones 
> such as Tapco, Furman, and dozens others.  eBay and the like are good 
> sources.  Shouldn't pay more than $200 for a nice one.
> 
> Ivan
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In a message dated 9/29/00 7:30:19 AM, dbivins@... writes:

<< If you just want to fool around, you could pick up a hi-fi spring reverb
really cheap--I have several by Sansui and Pioneer. >>

One of the Pioneer models from the 70's has this great visual display on the 
front panel; very cool psychedelic glowing blue light.  You've got to watch 
your levels through these boxes since they are designed for -10dBu levels, 
but they do sound ok.

Ivan

Yeah, my Pioneers have a greenish light--the Sansuis have a rainbow-ish
spectrum. Unfortunately, the lights only "move" when you adjust
reverberation time manually. I wish they moved in time to the music--that
would be nice studio eye candy!

Good point on the levels, Ivan. Also, they use RCA connectors. Hmm...
looking at the back of a Pioneer, I see they have 110/220 switchable from
the back panel as well. 

Back to our regularly scheduled discussion of, uh, LEDs or something...

David.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ivancu@... [mailto:ivancu@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 10:43 AM
> To: motm@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] Spring Reverb RF Ranting
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 9/29/00 7:30:19 AM, dbivins@... writes:
> 
> << If you just want to fool around, you could pick up a hi-fi 
> spring reverb
> really cheap--I have several by Sansui and Pioneer. >>
> 
> One of the Pioneer models from the 70's has this great visual 
> display on the 
> front panel; very cool psychedelic glowing blue light.  
> You've got to watch 
> your levels through these boxes since they are designed for 
> -10dBu levels, 
> but they do sound ok.
> 
> Ivan
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