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More Oakley stuff

2001-01-10 by Tony Allgood

Hi all,

Just bunged up a couple of 'new' schematics up on my site. The first one
is a Noise/Filter module, inspired by the later Moog and Polyfusion
modules. The second is a Mixer/Output module. It also has one of them
EBOS doo-dahs included. This takes a single ended output and converts it
to a balanced output suitable for connection to a mixing desk. More
details on the site pages.

www.techrepairs.freeserve.co.uk/projects.htm

PCBs are expected in about a week or so. If anyone would like to
pre-order one now, then give me an e-mail. Pricing and ordering info is
on the site.

Regards,

Tony Allgood  Penrith, Cumbria, England

Oakley Modular Synth and TB3030:
www.techrepairs.freeserve.co.uk/projects.htm
My music: www.mp3.com/taklamakan

RE: [motm] More Oakley stuff

2001-01-11 by Brousseau, Paul E (Paul)

Er, eh?  I know that the MOTM stuff is "unbalanced", I.E., it only uses two
of the three TRS connections.  But, is there is need to convert?  If so,
what exactly is being converted?  I'm generally confused... help?  :)

--PBr
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Tony Allgood [SMTP:oakley@...]
> Sent:	Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:58 PM
> To:	motm@egroups.com
> Subject:	[motm] More Oakley stuff
> 
> The second is a Mixer/Output module. It also has one of them
> EBOS doo-dahs included. This takes a single ended output and converts it
> to a balanced output suitable for connection to a mixing desk. More
> details on the site pages.
>

RE: [motm] More Oakley stuff

2001-01-11 by Tkacs, Ken

I could be wrong, but I thought that in order to convert a balanced line to
unbalanced you generally need to invert one of the two signal lines
180-degrees and recombine it with the other? That doubles the signal
strength and cancels out common noise that may have been picked up along the
cable.
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From: 	Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) [mailto:noise@...] 
Sent:	Thursday, 11 January, 2001 11:17 AM
To:	'motm@egroups.com'
Subject:	RE: [motm] More Oakley stuff

Er, eh?  I know that the MOTM stuff is "unbalanced", I.E., it only uses two
of the three TRS connections.  But, is there is need to convert?  If so,
what exactly is being converted?  I'm generally confused... help?  :)

Re: [motm] More Oakley stuff

2001-01-11 by J. Larry Hendry

Paul, If you were using your MOTM in a larger venue live system where you
had a long distance "snake" connection to a remote mixing board, or even in
a studio situation, the balanced output on the final mixer would be handy.
It would save you from using an impedance matching transformer to get
balanced signals which might color or distort the sound.  That' my take on
it anyhow.

Larry Hendry



----- Original Message -----
From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) <noise@...>
To: <motm@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: [motm] More Oakley stuff


Er, eh?  I know that the MOTM stuff is "unbalanced", I.E., it only uses two
of the three TRS connections.  But, is there is need to convert?  If so,
what exactly is being converted?  I'm generally confused... help?  :)

--PBr
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Allgood [SMTP:oakley@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:58 PM
> To: motm@egroups.com
> Subject: [motm] More Oakley stuff
>
> The second is a Mixer/Output module. It also has one of them
> EBOS doo-dahs included. This takes a single ended output and converts it
> to a balanced output suitable for connection to a mixing desk. More
> details on the site pages.
>

Re: More Oakley stuff

2001-01-11 by Nathan Hunsicker

Ok time for a redesign...

All modules will now be 8U high and will be patched together using XLR 
cables...

Just Kidding...

I've been using a cheap Whirlwind Director to send my MOTM signal to my 
mixing board (mostly because the MOTM levels were tohot for my mackie 
mixer even with the trim all the way down) besides giving me a little 
more control of the volume, I haven't noticed any change in tonal color 
or any distortion, in fact it actually sounds a little cleaner. -Nate

--- In motm@egroups.com, "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
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> Paul, If you were using your MOTM in a larger venue live system where you
> had a long distance "snake" connection to a remote mixing board, or even in
> a studio situation, the balanced output on the final mixer would be handy.
> It would save you from using an impedance matching transformer to get
> balanced signals which might color or distort the sound.  That' my take on
> it anyhow.
> 
> Larry Hendry
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) <noise@A...>
> To: <motm@egroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 10:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [motm] More Oakley stuff
> 
> 
> Er, eh?  I know that the MOTM stuff is "unbalanced", I.E., it only uses two
> of the three TRS connections.  But, is there is need to convert?  If so,
> what exactly is being converted?  I'm generally confused... help?  :)
> 
> --PBr
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tony Allgood [SMTP:oakley@t...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:58 PM
> > To: motm@egroups.com
> > Subject: [motm] More Oakley stuff
> >
> > The second is a Mixer/Output module. It also has one of them
> > EBOS doo-dahs included. This takes a single ended output and converts it
> > to a balanced output suitable for connection to a mixing desk. More
> > details on the site pages.
> >

Patching with XLRs - was More Oakley stuff

2001-01-11 by Dave Bradley

--- In motm@egroups.com, "Nathan Hunsicker" <nate@e...> wrote:
> Ok time for a redesign...
> 
> All modules will now be 8U high and will be patched together using
> XLR cables...
> 
> Just Kidding...

You jest, but truth is stranger than fiction. Synth madman JH is 
rumored to be building a 4 voice polyphonic modular system, in which
each faceplate contains 4 identical circuits behind it, and patching 
is done 4 modules at a time using MIDI din plugs...

The Truth is Out There

Moe
Dave's Hot Rod MOTM Shop
http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveb2

Re: [motm] More Oakley stuff

2001-01-11 by Tony Allgood

Hi all,

My reasons for doing a balanced output signal is nothing really to do
with hum reduction through common mode rejection, but more to do with
the removal of a need for a connected common earth between systems. By
sharing the earth/ground connection between mixer and modular you are
likely to get ground loops. In other words allowing more than one route
between the two units for the ground signals to travel. Now, in an ideal
world this shouldn't matter, but because of resistance/impedance in the
audio cables and mains supplies, you will get difference of earth
potentials in each piece of equipment. Only small, but enough to cause
some signals to become superimposed on your audio path. Now, the classic
way is to remove one of the earths, either by clever design or by
removing the earth pin of your main plug (ouch). You can isolate your
system ground from earth, but this is hard when every jack socket that
is connected to ground is also connected to the metal panel. The metal
panel is also required to be connected to earth in most systems.
Although in a complete Oakley Modular this is not neccessary.

Using an elecronically balanced system, so long as the earth potentials
are not out by a huge amount, we can safely send the audio signal
without need for a <signal> ground joined at both ends. In a CV/gate
system this can be doubly useful since many commercial midi-CV
convertors actually earth the CV ground lines, my Kenton Pro-2 included.

In a well designed studio, this need not be a problem since the desk has
floating balanced inputs. And you have more control of your earths. But
I have found that pseudo balanced inputs, using a TRS jack as a non
balanced input, using the T and R and ignoring the S tends to have a
detrimental effect on hum.

So in summary, although not absolutely neccessary, its rather handy. Its
very useful with effects boxes too.

Er... I think that right, its been a long day, and I had to look after
the kids all day. ;-)

Regards,

Tony Allgood  Penrith, Cumbria, England

Oakley Modular Synth and TB3030:
www.techrepairs.freeserve.co.uk/projects.htm
My music: www.mp3.com/taklamakan

Re: [motm] Re: More Oakley stuff

2001-01-11 by J. Larry Hendry

Yes, Not all impedance matching transformers and direct boxes are created
equal.  I certainly didn't mean to imply they were unacceptable (as a
passive way to achieve balance to unbalance conversion).  However, the
active method seem to be more the norm in better stuff (probably true in
that Mackie too).  I need to go check out Tony's new schematics.  :)
Larry H

----- Original Message -----
From: Nathan Hunsicker <nate@...>
To: <motm@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:50 AM
Subject: [motm] Re: More Oakley stuff


Ok time for a redesign...

All modules will now be 8U high and will be patched together using XLR
cables...

Just Kidding...

I've been using a cheap Whirlwind Director to send my MOTM signal to my
mixing board (mostly because the MOTM levels were tohot for my mackie
mixer even with the trim all the way down) besides giving me a little
more control of the volume, I haven't noticed any change in tonal color
or any distortion, in fact it actually sounds a little cleaner. -Nate

--- In motm@egroups.com, "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> Paul, If you were using your MOTM in a larger venue live system where you
> had a long distance "snake" connection to a remote mixing board, or even
in
> a studio situation, the balanced output on the final mixer would be handy.
> It would save you from using an impedance matching transformer to get
> balanced signals which might color or distort the sound.  That' my take on
> it anyhow.
>
> Larry Hendry
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) <noise@A...>
> To: <motm@egroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 10:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [motm] More Oakley stuff
>
>
> Er, eh?  I know that the MOTM stuff is "unbalanced", I.E., it only uses
two
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> of the three TRS connections.  But, is there is need to convert?  If so,
> what exactly is being converted?  I'm generally confused... help?  :)
>
> --PBr
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tony Allgood [SMTP:oakley@t...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:58 PM
> > To: motm@egroups.com
> > Subject: [motm] More Oakley stuff
> >
> > The second is a Mixer/Output module. It also has one of them
> > EBOS doo-dahs included. This takes a single ended output and converts it
> > to a balanced output suitable for connection to a mixing desk. More
> > details on the site pages.
> >

Re: Patching with XLRs - was More Oakley stuff

2001-01-11 by pow333@hotmail.com

Uh...I'm new here so scuse me if it's all been covered before, but 
suppose one was planning to use their modules exclusively with their 
mixer, further suppose the pre-existance of a balanced tt patchbay and 
a plan to route signal to, say, filter inputs, or envelope followers by 
means of an aux send through the bay and tt cord into a TAD-5 adapter 
and into the modules, taking the output back into a channel strip and 
to the fader by means of a similar route . Is there some mod that could 
be done to bring the mod to the proper level and impedance so that the 
signal would be strong ( I have gone this route with an ems and it is 
really tinny) and quiet?
Thanks, I'm excited to be here
Paul

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