The Mellotron Group

You have some juicy tidbits for the group, Martin?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:
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> When you distill the Moodies down, you have an astonishingly good  
> songwriter in Hayward, a good songwriter in Pinder and a sound the two of them  
> masterminded.  The rest are not so talented but the sum of  parts produced 
> albums that I loved.  The myth is greater than the  truth.  They got away with it 
> live but the limitations revealed how  produced the albums were.  We spoke 
> with Tony Clarke and he told us some  revelations that would flatten the 
> die-hard fan.  And Lodge is a hideous  songwriter most of the time.
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> In a message dated 01/06/2011 06:58:58 GMT Daylight Time,  
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> I think the problem was between Graham and Mike back when Mike left in 78,  
> but the others were not happy with Pinder remaining in LA.  anyway.
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> At this point it makes almost no difference though. The  Mellotron is long 
> gone, Mike is not writing or performing with them, and Ray  is now gone and 
> his replacement is a young girl flute player - nowhere near  the talent, 
> presence or feel that Ray had contributed. 
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> It's nice for  them to carry on the way they do, but it isn't the same. 
> It's more like a  cabaret version of them.  I'll stick to the original records 
> when I want  to hear them. 
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> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:10 AM, john barrick <_barrickjohn262@..._ 
> (mailto:barrickjohn262@...) >  wrote:
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> Sorry - if whatever the deal is between Mike and Justin was going to get  
> patched up, it would have happened by now, and that's why I'll never see the  
> Moodies. 
> john
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> PS - I find the idea of Mr. Edge dancing at all to be very  disconcerting.  
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> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ms. Janet Strauss  
> <_jandjstrz@..._ (mailto:jandjstrz@...) > wrote:
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> Yeah………………IF  only. 
> I might actually  get out and see them again in that case.  
> Would like to see  him just play the oldies, rather than watch Graeme dance 
> to Higher and  Higher. 
> Ughhhhh. 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of David  Jacques
> Sent: Tuesday,  May 31, 2011 8:59 AM
> To:  _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
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> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re:  MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
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> Thanks.  That was very  good.
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> -Bruce D.
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> --- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet  Strauss <_jandjstrz@..._ 
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> From: Ms. Janet Strauss <_jandjstrz@..._ 
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> Subject: RE:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices  EEEEEK
> To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> Date:  Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM 
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> They  sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in  hand.
> Almost  unplugged.
> Background  vocals tad subdued…but ok.
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> Music  starts at 1:50 
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> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related_ 
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related) 
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> Jim 
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> -----Original  Message-----
> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf  Of Charles
> Sent: Monday,  May 30, 2011 9:20 AM
> To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
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> Subject: [newmellotrongroup]  Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK 
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> It wouldn't be that  difficult to get Justin, John, Ray, and Mike to record 
> the notes  (as far as their range could go), auto-tune them, and layer them 
>  into some awesome Moodies samples. They wouldn't even have to be  in the 
> same room...Mike could do his at home.
> Okay Martin, how  about it? :)
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> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  "tron400" <tron400@> 
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> > Since they've  been using professional backup singers for years now, 
> their live  vocals are just fine.
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> >  Bernie
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> > ---  In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  Bruce Daily 
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> > > Ā  Yeah,  they wereĀ vocally out of tune in concert.Ā  Their  studio 
> brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for  theĀ most part).Ā  It was 
> too bad Justin Hayward didn't  use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.Ā
>   Mic systems  weren't great for acoustic instrumentsĀ back then.Ā   They 
> sure could've used some vocal coaching.Ā  I saw them in  1981 (with Moraz), 
> and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was  still all electric.Ā  I bet 
> they had some good nights,  though.
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> >  > Ā Ā I wonder if they use Autotune live now.Ā   I hate the current 
> constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect,  but, hadĀ it been available then
> Ā it could've helped the  old Moodies.  
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> > > Ā  -Bruce D.
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> >  > --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss  <jandjstrz@> wrote:
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> > > From: Ms. Janet Strauss  <jandjstrz@>
> > > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup]  MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > >  Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
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> > > ā€¦heh heh.
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> > > You mean, Ā like at the 1:05 mark in  this vidā€¦ā€¦..?Ā  LOL
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> > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI_ 
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> > > Ray sure gets into it ā€¦.physicallyā€¦ā€¦and the  ā€ Tron sounds ok
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> > > Jim
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >  From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
> [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of john barrick
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011  7:35 PM
> > > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > >  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
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> > > It must have been  considered. Ā Just listen to any of their live 
> performances  and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos  
> that overpower Hayward's leads.Ā   
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> > > john
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> > > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10  PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
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> > > Ā  Maybe Mike  Pinder resisted the idea of using aĀ 'Tron or Chamby 
> choir  when it became available.Ā  The Moodies were known for their  vocal 
> harmonies.Ā  Would the group have resented the use  ofĀ pre-recorded vocals 
> over their own?Ā  I wonder if  the idea was ever brought up.Ā  If so,Ā maybe 
> they  considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.  
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> > > Ā  It's  ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
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> > > Ā  Pondering-
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> > > Ā Ā  -Bruce D.
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> > > --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris  Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
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> >  > From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > >  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > >  To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > >  Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
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> > > I don't think the idea  was given serious consideration because both 
> the Mellotron and  Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units 
> doing big  band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single  Female 
> and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds  are put togetherĀ 
> which is what happened on the M1 model.  
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> > > The idea was first advertised  in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures 
> but only as 'voices' and  not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the 
> choir  sound. 
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> > > On Fri, May  27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
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> > > I was always surprised Mike  Pinder never used any choirs with the 
> Moodies, or had the band  members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, 
> and Mike  making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing  
> ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
> > > If  Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music  
> Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their  units until 
> the M400?
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