The Mellotron Group

It's not you gary... it's more likely me.
 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2012 1:37:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gabru@comsec.net writes:

 
 
 
 
….my posts  can have that effect on people….sorry Frank! 
 
 
 
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:34  AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
 
my head  hurts.
 

 

 
 
In a message  dated 11/19/2012 1:32:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_atm655@verizon.net_ (mailto:atm655@verizon.net)   writes:

 
 
 
 
I  agree Gary, that isn’t part of the show I’m interested  in.
 
They  have right to express it, as I have the right to ignore it, and I try 
to do  just that.
 
Tony
 
 
 

 
 
From: _Gary Brumm_ (mailto:gabru@comsec.net)  
 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:20  PM
 
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   
 
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live  1973


 


 
 
 
No not in  1973, I was talking about the Gabriel shows in the last decade.  
In the  70’s it was all about the music as it  
should  be.  Now many performers feel the need to give political speeches 
and  that is not what I paid for.  I really  
don’t care  what their “world view” is.  It’s just a sign of the times I 
guess…..  The 60’ and 70’ were a great time for  
shows.  Even though the  technology for sound and lighting has been 
improved immensely I still miss  the days of  
oversized,  under powered speakers at a huge outdoor venue with my favorite 
groups  performing.  Those days are  
gone  forever unfortunately.  I remember a friend of mine telling me he had 
 just seen Genesis at the Cow Palace in  
San  Francisco.  They were using a few Altec A7’s for the PA and the sound  
was awful but he said the band was incredible.   
Those were  the days eh? 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
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To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
 
I don't  recall too much politics in 1973... just a bit of goofing on the 
British  economy.
 
 
In a message  dated 11/19/2012 12:43:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_gabru@comsec.net_ (mailto:gabru@comsec.net)  writes:

 
 
I worked  with a Gabriel era Genesis tribute act for several years.  They 
did  the full show down to the theatrics.   
The  audience loved it but it never did anything for me.  The music on the  
other hand was incredible IMHO and  
I really  enjoyed doing those shows.  The first time I saw Genesis live was 
on  the “Seconds Out” tour which to  
me was  their peak even though Gabriel was already gone.  I have seen them  
once in the last ten years and they  
performed  well but it was kind of commercialized and starchy IMHO.  I have 
seen  Gabriel live and enjoy his music  
but hate  his political ramblings between songs ( thing we talked about 
that  before).  When I listen to Genesis it  
it  usually the live Seconds Out recording I choose.  I prefer to listen  
to live recordings of most groups when I can.   
Gary 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012  1:07 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
I've seen quite a few 'real  people playing real instruments', Frank.  I 
don't have time for much  else, really, even if I am having a hard time 
deciding what constitutes a  'real instrument'.   
 
My point is only that the  whole spectacle looks idiotic.  I'm pretty sure 
I would have  thought the same thing at age 20 as well.
 
Mike
 
 
On 19 November 2012 07:37,  <_lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > 
wrote: 
 
 
 
 
 
I remember seeing Genesis at  the Tower theater in Philadelphia back in 
1973. no Mark II but an M400.  Mike might think the whole thing is silly, but 
for a 21 year old I was  pretty impressionable. I LOVED IT! The first live 
concert I ever saw was  outdoors on the Mall in DC. I don't think I was yet 
16. It was Alice  Cooper opening for Arthur Brown. Spring or summer of 1968. I 
didn't turn  16 until that November.
 
Alice Cooper came out in a  pink dress. The band was called "Alice Cooper" 
at the time. I don't think  Vince Furnier had adopted the name for himself 
yet. I was about 50 feet  from the stage and I remember the guitarist (I 
think) at some point in the  show had a giant Styrofoam fist that he slid up and 
down Vince's body (in  the pink dress) until he spit some kind of white 
creamy fluid all over the  people in front of the stage.
 
I freaked out. It was great  stuff.
 
Then, after Alice Cooper  left the stage, the back line guys swapped out 
the gear and the stage went  dark... for about ten minutes. Suddenly there was 
a rumble after a few  seconds, a voice in the dark screamed out..." I AM 
THE GOD OF HELL FIRE...  AND I BRING YOU... FIRE. There was an explosion of 
light and this guy  comes down down on a wire (Deus Ex Machina- only at the 
beginning instead  of the end) with one arm extended outwards and the other 
holding a mic and  HIS HEAD WAS ON FIRE. Well, at least that what I thought at 
first, but it  was actually a helmet of some kind. I remember little else 
of that show,  but that much, I will never forget.
 
I saw lots of concerts after  that but nothing that approached the wonder 
and surprise until 1973 at the  Tower. I saw Gabriel era Genesis twice more 
after that also in  Philadelphia and was fortunate enough to be 4th row 
center at the Civic  Center for The Lamb show.
 
Looking back at now, at the  age of 60 I still get a sense of  what I felt 
back then. And over the years, having seen The Musical Box  recreate these 
shows, as good at it as they are (were) Nothing can touch  the memories of 
those shows when I was that age.
 
So make fun of it if you  will, Mike... I pity you for having missed it. 
Real people playing real  instruments.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated  11/19/2012 1:30:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_pocotron@yahoo.com_ (mailto:pocotron@yahoo.com)  writes:

 
 
 
Hi  all-
 
In listening  to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, 
but the  brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on,  
in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A  choir can 
also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the  concert.  I have 
to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3  Violins (probably M400 
Violins) and 8 Choir.
 
-Bruce  D.
 

 
 
 
From: gino wong <_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com) >
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
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Sent:  Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
 
 
 
 
So they doubled the organ  with the 400 strings ?    
 
I guess they had to do  something when they went from many to three sounds. 
 
 
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at  4:26 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) >  wrote:  
 
 
 
 
 
They began using the organ  instead of the bass accordion .
 
 
 
In a message dated  11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com)  writes:

 
I think they were  using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling 
England....   I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound between 
the  Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big part of 
 their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they  just 
roll with what was around. 
 
Surely somebody  knows.








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