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Anyone got an empty tape frame that they want to sell?

Thought I'd ask before ordering from one of our two providers of new ones.

Thanks,

John

No empty frame, but out of curiosity, what sounds to you plan on 
installing?

Bernie


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "jaybe52000" <jaybe52000@...> 
wrote:
>
> Anyone got an empty tape frame that they want to sell?
> 
> Thought I'd ask before ordering from one of our two providers of new 
ones.

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
>

In a message dated 1/9/2008 12:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jaybe52000@yahoo.com writes:

Thought I'd ask before ordering from one of our two providers of new  ones.

Thanks,

John
 
 
Buy a new one, John. Support our suppliers.
 
Frank



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I've got a set of tapes in a box that are from the old DMI days (old DMI Union Jack 
Mellotron Label on it).  I got it as part of the deal when I bought my RMI Keyboard 
Computer II and never got around to racking them and don't want to muck with the tapes 
on the two frames in my Mark V.

The box says it's got Violins/Viola/Flute but I'm not really certain that's what they are.
The guy that I got them from said they were "Brand new" but they look like they might be 
used so I was thinking the could be an original set with Flute/3-Violins/Cello.

Either way, I'd like to make 'em playable just to see what they are.

As I said in a previous post I've got flute on one of my frames and the 3 violins are on the 
other but I don't have cello or viola so that would be nice, especially if they really are a 
standard set since i really miss having the cello.

John

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <kornowicz@...> wrote:

>
> No empty frame, but out of curiosity, what sounds to you plan on 
> installing?
> 
> Bernie
> 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "jaybe52000" <jaybe52000@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone got an empty tape frame that they want to sell?
> > 
> > Thought I'd ask before ordering from one of our two providers of new 
> ones.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > John
> >
>

Frank,

1. Not a lot of cash to spend at the moment. Shipping from UK or Sweden I'm sure ain't 
cheap.  Shipping within the US is more cost effective.

2. Thought I could help out a fellow tron guy if they had one they wanted to sell.

3. The newer frames from Markus will only fit on the left side of the Mark V due to the 
extra length the bottom of the frame hits the electronics in the middle of the Mark V when 
you try to put the newer frames on the right side.

I'm sure both of our suppliers will be getting plenty of business from me and the rest of us 
and I know most likely I'll be buyin it from them just thought I'd ask.

John

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 1/9/2008 12:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> jaybe52000@... writes:
> 
> Thought I'd ask before ordering from one of our two providers of new  ones.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
>  
>  
> Buy a new one, John. Support our suppliers.
>  
> Frank
> 
> 
> 
> **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>

> Two things- one is that he used the M300 strings quite a bit (in the studio),
the other is that he refitted his MkII with a transistor preamp and it has a
warmer sound as a result.Since Frank owns one of those he would be best to ask.
I still can't quite figure out what the mix is on Question, it is amazing.


I have been listening to a lot of Moody Blues lately and it seems obvious
that 

> Pinder's 3 Violins sound is much mellower than other's, King Crimson for
> example.  Does he mix in other voices into his sound or is it the way his tron
> is eq'ed?  This occurs in both the live and studio recordings.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "jaybe52000" <jaybe52000@yahoo.com>
> 
> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:26:11
> To:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Empty tape frame
> 
> 
> I've got a set of tapes in a box that are from the old DMI days (old DMI Union
> Jack 
>  Mellotron Label on it). I got it as part of the deal when I bought my RMI
> Keyboard 
>  Computer II and never got around to racking them and don't want to muck with
> the tapes 
>  on the two frames in my Mark V.
>  
>  The box says it's got Violins/Viola/Flute but I'm not really certain that's
> what they are.
>  The guy that I got them from said they were "Brand new" but they look like
> they might be 
>  used so I was thinking the could be an original set with
> Flute/3-Violins/Cello.
>  
>  Either way, I'd like to make 'em playable just to see what they are.
>  
>  As I said in a previous post I've got flute on one of my frames and the 3
> violins are on the
>  other but I don't have cello or viola so that would be nice, especially if
> they really are a
>  standard set since i really miss having the cello.
>  
>  John
>  
>  --- In newmellotrongroup@ <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <kornowicz@...> wrote:
>> 
>> No empty frame, but out of curiosity, what sounds to you plan on
>> installing?
>> 
>> Bernie
>> 
>> 
>> --- In newmellotrongroup@ <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
>> yahoogroups.com, "jaybe52000" <jaybe52000@>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone got an empty tape frame that they want to sell?
>>> 
>>> Thought I'd ask before ordering from one of our two providers of new
>> ones.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>> 
>  
>    
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

I have been listening to a lot of Moody Blues lately and it seems obvious that Pinder's 3 Violins sound is much mellower than other's, King Crimson for example.  Does he mix in other voices into his sound or is it the way his tron is eq'ed?  This occurs in both the live and studio recordings.  




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-----Original Message-----
From: "jaybe52000" <jaybe52000@yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:26:11 
To:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Empty tape frame


I've got a set of tapes in a box that are from the old DMI days (old DMI Union Jack 
 Mellotron Label on it). I got it as part of the deal when I bought my RMI Keyboard 
 Computer II and never got around to racking them and don't want to muck with the tapes 
 on the two frames in my Mark V.
 
 The box says it's got Violins/Viola/Flute but I'm not really certain that's what they are.
 The guy that I got them from said they were "Brand new" but they look like they might be 
 used so I was thinking the could be an original set with Flute/3-Violins/Cello.
 
 Either way, I'd like to make 'em playable just to see what they are.
 
 As I said in a previous post I've got flute on one of my frames and the 3 violins are on the 
 other but I don't have cello or viola so that would be nice, especially if they really are a 
 standard set since i really miss having the cello.
 
 John
 
 --- In newmellotrongroup@ <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <kornowicz@...> wrote:

 >
 > No empty frame, but out of curiosity, what sounds to you plan on 
 > installing?
 > 
 > Bernie
 > 
 > 
 > --- In newmellotrongroup@ <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "jaybe52000" <jaybe52000@> 
 > wrote:
 > >
 > > Anyone got an empty tape frame that they want to sell?
 > > 
 > > Thought I'd ask before ordering from one of our two providers of new 
 > ones.
 > > 
 > > Thanks,
 > > 
 > > John
 > >
 >

Hi all-

   A late response to this thread-

   I have also been curious about Mike Pinder's custom
MK2 preamp equalization.  It is not just "warmer"
sounding, it also seems to have a sharp cutoff around
10kHz, and a response hump in the midrange.  I got
this impression from listening to the comparisons on
Ken Leonard's site (between Frank's MK2 and Jerry
Korb's MK1).  Maybe Pinder got too much high freq
noise and distortion with the layered recording
process he used for the 'tron, and customized the eq
to compensate.  Maybe his eq worked better with the
stage amps of the day.  His 'tron sound does cut
through pretty well in "Caught Live +5"; try to
imagine the recording with a bright 'tron.  Does
anyone have some more insight on this?

   My 'tron seems to have original '70s tapes, and the
obvious M400 3-Violins.  These re-eq'd violins seem
like an homage to Pinder's eq curve, but with a little
bit more high-end.


   Sounds like the drone in "Question" may have been a
half-speed brass of some kind.  The opening fanfare
(on the orig. album)is anyone's guess.  He was also
incorporating his Moog a lot on "AQOB".


   -Bruce D.
   M400 #1221


--- Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> wrote:

> > Two things- one is that he used the M300 strings
> quite a bit (in the studio),
> the other is that he refitted his MkII with a
> transistor preamp and it has a
> warmer sound as a result.Since Frank owns one of
> those he would be best to ask.
> I still can't quite figure out what the mix is on
> Question, it is amazing.
> 
> 
> I have been listening to a lot of Moody Blues lately
> and it seems obvious
> that 
> > Pinder's 3 Violins sound is much mellower than
> other's, King Crimson for
> > example.  Does he mix in other voices into his
> sound or is it the way his tron
> > is eq'ed?  This occurs in both the live and studio
> recordings.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "jaybe52000" <jaybe52000@yahoo.com>
> > 
> > Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:26:11
> > To:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Empty tape frame
> > 
> > 
> > I've got a set of tapes in a box that are from the
> old DMI days (old DMI Union
> > Jack 
> >  Mellotron Label on it). I got it as part of the
> deal when I bought my RMI
> > Keyboard 
> >  Computer II and never got around to racking them
> and don't want to muck with
> > the tapes 
> >  on the two frames in my Mark V.
> >  
> >  The box says it's got Violins/Viola/Flute but I'm
> not really certain that's
> > what they are.
> >  The guy that I got them from said they were
> "Brand new" but they look like
> > they might be 
> >  used so I was thinking the could be an original
> set with
> > Flute/3-Violins/Cello.
> >  
> >  Either way, I'd like to make 'em playable just to
> see what they are.
> >  
> >  As I said in a previous post I've got flute on
> one of my frames and the 3
> > violins are on the
> >  other but I don't have cello or viola so that
> would be nice, especially if
> > they really are a
> >  standard set since i really miss having the
> cello.
> >  
> >  John
> >  
> >  --- In newmellotrongroup@
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <kornowicz@...> wrote:
> >> 
> >> No empty frame, but out of curiosity, what sounds
> to you plan on
> >> installing?
> >> 
> >> Bernie
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --- In newmellotrongroup@
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> yahoogroups.com, "jaybe52000" <jaybe52000@>
> >> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Anyone got an empty tape frame that they want to
> sell?
> >>> 
> >>> Thought I'd ask before ordering from one of our
> two providers of new
> >> ones.
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> 
> >>> John
> >>> 
> >> 
> >  
> >    
> > 
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 



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Hi Rick,
I think that M300's don't have pitch controls, but I
am pretty sure I have heard notes and chords being
bent by them, how is it done? 

Can you really alter pitch by as much as an octave on
a Mark II?

Mark
--- Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com> wrote:

> One thing that should be mentioned to those who have
> never played a  
> MkII is that the pitch range is a great deal bigger
> than what is  
> available on an M400 and all later mellotrons. So
> Pinder was unlikely  
> to have needed to do anything other than turn his
> pitch control way  
> down to drop an octave. (Not having my MkII here in
> front of me, I  
> can't tell you exactly what the range is; anyone
> else care to step in?)
> 
> Another notable low-pitch mellotron part in "Devil's
> Triangle" by King  
> Crimson, might be slowed down, but possible not.
> 
> I wonder why the pitch sweep was smaller on later
> mellotrons. David  
> and Markus's half-speed switch is a good effort to
> correct this, but  
> I've always wondered why that feature was changed.
> It's great for all  
> sorts of things in the studio -- or for vocalists
> who can't cut parts  
> in the original key. You get to watch the guitarists
> suffer through  
> trying to transpose while you just twiddle a knob
> and are ready to  
> go. ;)
> 
> Rick



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#134 goes down a minor  third; up a major third.
 
Frank  1
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2008 3:45:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

Hi  Rick,
I think that M300's don't have pitch controls, but I
am pretty  sure I have heard notes and chords being
bent by them, how is it done?  

Can you really alter pitch by as much as an octave on
a Mark  II?

Mark





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On Jan 22, 2008, at 6:54 PM, MAinPsych@aol.com wrote:

> #134 goes down a minor third; up a major third.
>
Maybe it's because FX Consoles were used for sound effects that might  
required more variation in speed to be useful, but I do know that  
10030 goes down at least an augmented 4th, because I've done that. Or  
maybe it was a demented 4th... I was on drugs at the time.

Martinge, can you provide guidance?

No, wait. You're on drugs all the time.

;)

The only time I saw the Moodies with Pinder (Bushnell Memorial, circa 
1968-69?), he ran his MkII through an ARB PA system. I assume this 
was their vocal PA system because they used the house system for 
vocals. The 2 cabinets were stacked to the left side of his MkII (he 
was on the left, facing center stage). The sound was incredible.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, djacques@... wrote:
>
> Mike also ran his tron through a Marshall or hiwatt. That would 
explain the midrange spike.  
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@...>
> 
> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:58:09 
> To:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: mike pinder's sound
> 
> 
> Hi all-
>  
>  A late response to this thread-
>  
>  I have also been curious about Mike Pinder's custom
>  MK2 preamp equalization. It is not just "warmer"
>  sounding, it also seems to have a sharp cutoff around
>  10kHz, and a response hump in the midrange. I got
>  this impression from listening to the comparisons on
>  Ken Leonard's site (between Frank's MK2 and Jerry
>  Korb's MK1). Maybe Pinder got too much high freq
>  noise and distortion with the layered recording
>  process he used for the 'tron, and customized the eq
>  to compensate. Maybe his eq worked better with the
>  stage amps of the day. His 'tron sound does cut
>  through pretty well in "Caught Live +5"; try to
>  imagine the recording with a bright 'tron. Does
>  anyone have some more insight on this?
>  
>  My 'tron seems to have original '70s tapes, and the
>  obvious M400 3-Violins. These re-eq'd violins seem
>  like an homage to Pinder's eq curve, but with a little
>  bit more high-end.
>  
>  Sounds like the drone in "Question" may have been a
>  half-speed brass of some kind. The opening fanfare
>  (on the orig. album)is anyone's guess. He was also
>  incorporating his Moog a lot on "AQOB".
>  
>  -Bruce D.
>  M400 #1221
>  
>  --- Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh. <mailto:tomdcour%40amnh.org> org> 
wrote:
>  
>  > > Two things- one is that he used the M300 strings
>  > quite a bit (in the studio),
>  > the other is that he refitted his MkII with a
>  > transistor preamp and it has a
>  > warmer sound as a result.Since Frank owns one of
>  > those he would be best to ask.
>  > I still can't quite figure out what the mix is on
>  > Question, it is amazing.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > I have been listening to a lot of Moody Blues lately
>  > and it seems obvious
>  > that 
>  > > Pinder's 3 Violins sound is much mellower than
>  > other's, King Crimson for
>  > > example. Does he mix in other voices into his
>  > sound or is it the way his tron
>  > > is eq'ed? This occurs in both the live and studio
>  > recordings.
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>  > > 
>  > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > From: "jaybe52000" <jaybe52000@yahoo. <mailto:jaybe52000%
40yahoo.com> com>
>  > > 
>  > > Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:26:11
>  > > To:newmellotrongroup@ <mailto:newmellotrongroup%
40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
>  > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Empty tape frame
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > I've got a set of tapes in a box that are from the
>  > old DMI days (old DMI Union
>  > > Jack 
>  > > Mellotron Label on it). I got it as part of the
>  > deal when I bought my RMI
>  > > Keyboard 
>  > > Computer II and never got around to racking them
>  > and don't want to muck with
>  > > the tapes 
>  > > on the two frames in my Mark V.
>  > > 
>  > > The box says it's got Violins/Viola/Flute but I'm
>  > not really certain that's
>  > > what they are.
>  > > The guy that I got them from said they were
>  > "Brand new" but they look like
>  > > they might be 
>  > > used so I was thinking the could be an original
>  > set with
>  > > Flute/3-Violins/Cello.
>  > > 
>  > > Either way, I'd like to make 'em playable just to
>  > see what they are.
>  > > 
>  > > As I said in a previous post I've got flute on
>  > one of my frames and the 3
>  > > violins are on the
>  > > other but I don't have cello or viola so that
>  > would be nice, especially if
>  > > they really are a
>  > > standard set since i really miss having the
>  > cello.
>  > > 
>  > > John
>  > > 
>  > > --- In newmellotrongroup@
>  > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > > yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <kornowicz@> wrote:
>  > >> 
>  > >> No empty frame, but out of curiosity, what sounds
>  > to you plan on
>  > >> installing?
>  > >> 
>  > >> Bernie
>  > >> 
>  > >> 
>  > >> --- In newmellotrongroup@
>  > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > >> yahoogroups.com, "jaybe52000" <jaybe52000@>
>  > >> wrote:
>  > >>> 
>  > >>> Anyone got an empty tape frame that they want to
>  > sell?
>  > >>> 
>  > >>> Thought I'd ask before ordering from one of our
>  > two providers of new
>  > >> ones.
>  > >>> 
>  > >>> Thanks,
>  > >>> 
>  > >>> John
>  > >>> 
>  > >> 
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>

Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:58:09 
To:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: mike pinder's sound


Hi all-
 
 A late response to this thread-
 
 I have also been curious about Mike Pinder's custom
 MK2 preamp equalization. It is not just "warmer"
 sounding, it also seems to have a sharp cutoff around
 10kHz, and a response hump in the midrange. I got
 this impression from listening to the comparisons on
 Ken Leonard's site (between Frank's MK2 and Jerry
 Korb's MK1). Maybe Pinder got too much high freq
 noise and distortion with the layered recording
 process he used for the 'tron, and customized the eq
 to compensate. Maybe his eq worked better with the
 stage amps of the day. His 'tron sound does cut
 through pretty well in "Caught Live +5"; try to
 imagine the recording with a bright 'tron. Does
 anyone have some more insight on this?
 
 My 'tron seems to have original '70s tapes, and the
 obvious M400 3-Violins. These re-eq'd violins seem
 like an homage to Pinder's eq curve, but with a little
 bit more high-end.
 
 Sounds like the drone in "Question" may have been a
 half-speed brass of some kind. The opening fanfare
 (on the orig. album)is anyone's guess. He was also
 incorporating his Moog a lot on "AQOB".
 
 -Bruce D.
 M400 #1221
 
 --- Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh. <mailto:tomdcour%40amnh.org> org> wrote:
 
 > > Two things- one is that he used the M300 strings
 > quite a bit (in the studio),
 > the other is that he refitted his MkII with a
 > transistor preamp and it has a
 > warmer sound as a result.Since Frank owns one of
 > those he would be best to ask.
 > I still can't quite figure out what the mix is on
 > Question, it is amazing.
 > 
 > 
 > I have been listening to a lot of Moody Blues lately
 > and it seems obvious
 > that 
 > > Pinder's 3 Violins sound is much mellower than
 > other's, King Crimson for
 > > example. Does he mix in other voices into his
 > sound or is it the way his tron
 > > is eq'ed? This occurs in both the live and studio
 > recordings.
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 > > 
 > > -----Original Message-----
 > > From: "jaybe52000" <jaybe52000@yahoo. <mailto:jaybe52000%40yahoo.com> com>
 > > 
 > > Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:26:11
 > > To:newmellotrongroup@ <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
 > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Empty tape frame
 > > 
 > > 
 > > I've got a set of tapes in a box that are from the
 > old DMI days (old DMI Union
 > > Jack 
 > > Mellotron Label on it). I got it as part of the
 > deal when I bought my RMI
 > > Keyboard 
 > > Computer II and never got around to racking them
 > and don't want to muck with
 > > the tapes 
 > > on the two frames in my Mark V.
 > > 
 > > The box says it's got Violins/Viola/Flute but I'm
 > not really certain that's
 > > what they are.
 > > The guy that I got them from said they were
 > "Brand new" but they look like
 > > they might be 
 > > used so I was thinking the could be an original
 > set with
 > > Flute/3-Violins/Cello.
 > > 
 > > Either way, I'd like to make 'em playable just to
 > see what they are.
 > > 
 > > As I said in a previous post I've got flute on
 > one of my frames and the 3
 > > violins are on the
 > > other but I don't have cello or viola so that
 > would be nice, especially if
 > > they really are a
 > > standard set since i really miss having the
 > cello.
 > > 
 > > John
 > > 
 > > --- In newmellotrongroup@
 > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
 > > yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <kornowicz@...> wrote:
 > >> 
 > >> No empty frame, but out of curiosity, what sounds
 > to you plan on
 > >> installing?
 > >> 
 > >> Bernie
 > >> 
 > >> 
 > >> --- In newmellotrongroup@
 > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
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Hi all-

   Yup, they sure didn't have that fancy little
half-speed switch back then.  I should've remarked
that the brass track could've been recorded at twice
the normal speed (30 ips) on the multitrack tape to
achieve the "half-speed" effect on playback (at 15
ips).  That is, of course, if they had those speed
selections on their recording equipment at that time.

   -Bruce D.


--- Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com> wrote:

> 
> On Jan 22, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:
> 
> > Sounds like the drone in "Question" may have been
> a
> > half-speed brass of some kind. The opening fanfare
> > (on the orig. album)is anyone's guess. He was also
> > incorporating his Moog a lot on "AQOB".
> 
> One thing that should be mentioned to those who have
> never played a  
> MkII is that the pitch range is a great deal bigger
> than what is  
> available on an M400 and all later mellotrons. So
> Pinder was unlikely  
> to have needed to do anything other than turn his
> pitch control way  
> down to drop an octave. (Not having my MkII here in
> front of me, I  
> can't tell you exactly what the range is; anyone
> else care to step in?)
> 
> Another notable low-pitch mellotron part in "Devil's
> Triangle" by King  
> Crimson, might be slowed down, but possible not.
> 
> I wonder why the pitch sweep was smaller on later
> mellotrons. David  
> and Markus's half-speed switch is a good effort to
> correct this, but  
> I've always wondered why that feature was changed.
> It's great for all  
> sorts of things in the studio -- or for vocalists
> who can't cut parts  
> in the original key. You get to watch the guitarists
> suffer through  
> trying to transpose while you just twiddle a knob
> and are ready to  
> go. ;)
> 
> Rick



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Okay...
 
Domestic MKIIs had a VFO(Voltage frequency ocillator)control and this gave  
you a great pitch sweep downwards but not upwards.  The motor pulley was  
matched to the VFO range to maximise this effect.  MKIIs suffered from  voltage 
sensitivity.
 
SFX MKIIs had an early CMC4 style controller to quieten the audio path and  
give better control, away from voltage sensitivity.  It also put a whine in  
the audio just like the dreaded CMC10.
 
M300s were built in two different fashions.  One style had pitch  
control(CMC4), the other didn't.
 
Mike Pinder removed the top end shriek(for which MKIIs are notorious), sent  
the instrument through an amp which was placed in an isolated room with a  
mike(s) picking up the ensuing and already mitigated sound.  He removed all  
attack on the violins through careful footpedal control.  He also  overdubbed like 
buggery using what appears to be two note inversions layer upon  layer.  The 
resulting melange was put through an EMT plate.  It took a  while to perfect 
and you can track the progress through the first four albums as  they developed 
'that' sound.
 
Mike Dickson is from Scotland.
 
M
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Hey mark,
I don't know how many but certainly the first few M300's did have
pitch controls in the centre of the panel. Mine which is no.005 has
one originally with a CMC4 controller which wasn't bad. Not as bad as
the later CMC10's which were really bad. The SFX consoles had the same
set up I think. I replaced my CMC4 with an SMS2 which is now rock
solid and in tune in a minute or so.
Later M300's had fixed speed ac motors so no CMC4 or pitch control
(which was replaced with a tone control). I can do the "Legend.."
pitch sweeps no problem on the M300.
John


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mark Pring <markpringnz@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
> I think that M300's don't have pitch controls, but I
> am pretty sure I have heard notes and chords being
> bent by them, how is it done? 
> 
> Can you really alter pitch by as much as an octave on
> a Mark II?
> 
> Mark
> --- Rick Blechta <rick@...> wrote:
> 
> > One thing that should be mentioned to those who have
> > never played a  
> > MkII is that the pitch range is a great deal bigger
> > than what is  
> > available on an M400 and all later mellotrons. So
> > Pinder was unlikely  
> > to have needed to do anything other than turn his
> > pitch control way  
> > down to drop an octave. (Not having my MkII here in
> > front of me, I  
> > can't tell you exactly what the range is; anyone
> > else care to step in?)
> > 
> > Another notable low-pitch mellotron part in "Devil's
> > Triangle" by King  
> > Crimson, might be slowed down, but possible not.
> > 
> > I wonder why the pitch sweep was smaller on later
> > mellotrons. David  
> > and Markus's half-speed switch is a good effort to
> > correct this, but  
> > I've always wondered why that feature was changed.
> > It's great for all  
> > sorts of things in the studio -- or for vocalists
> > who can't cut parts  
> > in the original key. You get to watch the guitarists
> > suffer through  
> > trying to transpose while you just twiddle a knob
> > and are ready to  
> > go. ;)
> > 
> > Rick
> 
> 
> 
>      
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I think they must have had that option to speed the tape up an octave;

 

I believe the Beatles or rather George Martin /Norman Smith  used to  do a
similar trick on tracks on albums as early as "Please Please Me" and "With
The Beatles",

though in this case with the tape playing at halfspeed, and the actual part
played an octave down.I think even the solo  of "A Hard Day's Night" was
done with this trick ,

with piano and Rickenbacker 12 string.

 

Jimi Hendrix did the halfspeed trick on "3rd Stone From The Sun" from the
Are You Experienced album. Gotta love those backwards bits : )

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Daily
Sent: woensdag 23 januari 2008 7:21
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: mike pinder's sound

 

Hi all-

Yup, they sure didn't have that fancy little
half-speed switch back then. I should've remarked
that the brass track could've been recorded at twice
the normal speed (30 ips) on the multitrack tape to
achieve the "half-speed" effect on playback (at 15
ips). That is, of course, if they had those speed
selections on their recording equipment at that time.

-Bruce D.

--- Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com> >
wrote:

> 
> On Jan 22, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:
> 
> > Sounds like the drone in "Question" may have been
> a
> > half-speed brass of some kind. The opening fanfare
> > (on the orig. album)is anyone's guess. He was also
> > incorporating his Moog a lot on "AQOB".
> 
> One thing that should be mentioned to those who have
> never played a 
> MkII is that the pitch range is a great deal bigger
> than what is 
> available on an M400 and all later mellotrons. So
> Pinder was unlikely 
> to have needed to do anything other than turn his
> pitch control way 
> down to drop an octave. (Not having my MkII here in
> front of me, I 
> can't tell you exactly what the range is; anyone
> else care to step in?)
> 
> Another notable low-pitch mellotron part in "Devil's
> Triangle" by King 
> Crimson, might be slowed down, but possible not.
> 
> I wonder why the pitch sweep was smaller on later
> mellotrons. David 
> and Markus's half-speed switch is a good effort to
> correct this, but 
> I've always wondered why that feature was changed.
> It's great for all 
> sorts of things in the studio -- or for vocalists
> who can't cut parts 
> in the original key. You get to watch the guitarists
> suffer through 
> trying to transpose while you just twiddle a knob
> and are ready to 
> go. ;)
> 
> Rick

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tronbros@aol.com wrote:
>  
> He also overdubbed like buggery using what appears to be two note 
> inversions layer upon layer. 

How exactly does one 'overdub like buggery'? If you think buggery is all 
about overdubbing then you've obviously been doing it wrong all this time.

> The resulting melange was put through an EMT plate.  It took a while 
> to perfect and you can track the progress through the first four 
> albums as they developed 'that' sound.
>  
> Mike Dickson is from Scotland.

He is. And he's better than Mike Bloody Pinder as well.

Mike

Very interesting. Thanks for the detailed explanation. 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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From: tronbros@aol.com

Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:30:27 
To:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: mike pinder's sound


Okay...
 
Domestic MKIIs had a VFO(Voltage frequency ocillator)control and this gave  
you a great pitch sweep downwards but not upwards.  The motor pulley was  
matched to the VFO range to maximise this effect.  MKIIs suffered from  voltage 
sensitivity.
 
SFX MKIIs had an early CMC4 style controller to quieten the audio path and  
give better control, away from voltage sensitivity.  It also put a whine in  
the audio just like the dreaded CMC10.
 
M300s were built in two different fashions.  One style had pitch  
control(CMC4), the other didn't.
 
Mike Pinder removed the top end shriek(for which MKIIs are notorious), sent  
the instrument through an amp which was placed in an isolated room with a  
mike(s) picking up the ensuing and already mitigated sound.  He removed all  
attack on the violins through careful footpedal control.  He also  overdubbed like 
buggery using what appears to be two note inversions layer upon  layer.  The 
resulting melange was put through an EMT plate.  It took a  while to perfect 
and you can track the progress through the first four albums as  they developed 
'that' sound.
 
Mike Dickson is from Scotland.
 
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

US Sales  East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_ 
(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink.net_ (http://pjc56@earthlink.net/)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> wrote:

> He is. And he's better than Mike Bloody Pinder as well.

At what? Buggery?

;)

... So I guess Woolly s had the pitch control? Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend,

In a message dated 24/01/2008 22:55:31 GMT Standard Time,  
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

So I  guess Woolly's had the pitch control?



Yes.
 
M
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That is great information! I've never thought of recording through an amp,
always went direct.
This explains alot towards the fatness of Pinder's sound. Thanks, can't
wait to try it on the next Cathedral album! TD

> Okay...
>
> Domestic MKIIs had a VFO(Voltage frequency ocillator)control and this gave
> you a great pitch sweep downwards but not upwards.  The motor pulley was
> matched to the VFO range to maximise this effect.  MKIIs suffered from
> voltage
> sensitivity.
>
> SFX MKIIs had an early CMC4 style controller to quieten the audio path and
> give better control, away from voltage sensitivity.  It also put a whine
> in
> the audio just like the dreaded CMC10.
>
> M300s were built in two different fashions.  One style had pitch
> control(CMC4), the other didn't.
>
> Mike Pinder removed the top end shriek(for which MKIIs are notorious),
> sent
> the instrument through an amp which was placed in an isolated room with a
> mike(s) picking up the ensuing and already mitigated sound.  He removed
> all
> attack on the violins through careful footpedal control.  He also
> overdubbed like
> buggery using what appears to be two note inversions layer upon  layer.
> The
> resulting melange was put through an EMT plate.  It took a  while to
> perfect
> and you can track the progress through the first four albums as  they
> developed
> 'that' sound.
>
> Mike Dickson is from Scotland.
>
> M
> Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
>
> _www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/)
>
> US Sales  East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_
> (http://JMoore6397@aol.com/)
> US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink.net_
> (http://pjc56@earthlink.net/)
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks Martin- Great insight into Pinder s sound. -Bruce Daily ... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a

In a message dated 1/25/2008 8:02:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tronbros@aol.com writes:

 
 
In a message dated 24/01/2008 22:55:31 GMT Standard Time,  
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

So I  guess Woolly's had the pitch control?



Yes.
 
M



 
I think many of us would agree that Martin spends way too much time on the  
answers to our questions. Where as he should be back in the shop cranking out  
M4000s, here we see him expounding on Woolly's pitch control. Martin, too much 
 information only confuses.
 
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