The Mellotron Group

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration



Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/

http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:59 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration



Yeah, Clay, so fuck you...[cid:image001.png@01CC67C5.99C981C0]
Seriously, I hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor.  Good job on tackling it.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>> wrote:

Hi Clay,

The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day.  Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers.  These were
Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company.  They are a typical receiver from the 70's
and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era.  I used to sell and service these things back in
those days so I know them inside and out.  Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.

Cheers,

Gary


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration


Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com<http://irebuildmarantz.com>. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/

http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html


--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gino wong
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:46 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration



You had it, you fixed , it was good.  Marantz made good stuff in the 70s. I had to build Dynaco because I couldn't afford it.  Cheers to you for having the motivation to do something.


On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>> wrote:

John, you know that's not how I meant it!  Doing something for fun doesn't mean it has to be practical! :)


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:59 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration



Yeah, Clay, so fuck you...[cid:image001.png@01CC67D1.8E96E020]
Seriously, I hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor.  Good job on tackling it.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>> wrote:

Hi Clay,

The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day.  Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers.  These were
Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company.  They are a typical receiver from the 70's
and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era.  I used to sell and service these things back in
those days so I know them inside and out.  Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.

Cheers,

Gary


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration


Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com<http://irebuildmarantz.com>. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/

http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html


--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*




--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE & BS in general
Audio Production, Logistics, Synthesizers and sound design

Ginowong@gmail.com<mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com>

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:17 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration



Hell, I only had a technics receiver.  Then I looked around and said "why am I worried about listening to the radio?" and got a pioneer integrated amp.  I still have it and it still works perfectly - or as perfectly as it was ever going to.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:45 PM, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com<mailto:wonggster@gmail.com>> wrote:


You had it, you fixed , it was good.  Marantz made good stuff in the 70s. I had to build Dynaco because I couldn't afford it.  Cheers to you for having the motivation to do something.


On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>> wrote:

John, you know that's not how I meant it!  Doing something for fun doesn't mean it has to be practical! :)


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:59 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration



Yeah, Clay, so fuck you...[cid:image001.png@01CC67D2.AD904C90]
Seriously, I hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor.  Good job on tackling it.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>> wrote:

Hi Clay,

The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day.  Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers.  These were
Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company.  They are a typical receiver from the 70's
and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era.  I used to sell and service these things back in
those days so I know them inside and out.  Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.

Cheers,

Gary


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration


Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com<http://irebuildmarantz.com>. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/

http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html


--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*




--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE & BS in general
Audio Production, Logistics, Synthesizers and sound design

Ginowong@gmail.com<mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com>





--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:42 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration

 

  

A lot of the stuff from that era was good gear.  Things went downhill
when they went away from discrete components to 

the LSI amps that lowered the cost but replacement has become so
inexpensive that they become throw away products 

when they fail.  I still have my old McIntosh C-24 pre-amp, MR-71 Tuner,
and MC240 power amp but it has been collecting 

dust for a couple of decades and I have been thinking of selling it as
the prices have skyrocketed over time.  I had all kinds 

of exotic hi fi gear over the years but nothing specia l for a very long
time.....

>
> Hi Clay,
> 
> The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day.  Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers.  These were
> Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company.  They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era.  I used to sell and service these things back in
> those days so I know them inside and out.  Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> 
> 
> 
> Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
> 
> http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
>

>
> Hi Clay,
> 
> The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> 
> 
> 
> Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
> 
> http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
>

>
> Hi Clay,
>
> The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
> Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
>
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
>
> http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
>

>
> Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great.  Not a high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound.
> I am working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in his equipment room.  I was tempted to see if he would
> sell them but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it  :).  I miss those days of hi fi....I was constantly buying
> and selling gear to try different combinations.  I even had the huge Klipsch corner horns at one point.  They were the most efficient
> speakers I have ever seen.....They really made Dark Side of the Moon an experience to remember!  ....those were good times..... :)
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:59 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
> 
> 
> 
> Gary:
> I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a California built Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today, (usually without any lights) is a good indication of the quality.
> 
> I don't care what they sell for. It sounds good, it's nice to look at and I needed some practice soldering.
> 
> You might be interested to know that I have a pair of Quad II power amps with Quad ESL 57's. I temporarily wired the Marantz receiver to the ESL's. (I know it's a shitty combination and will stress the receiver!) BUT it sounded pretty damn sweet.
> 
> Clay
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Gary Brumm <gabru@<mailto:gabru@>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Clay,
> >
> > The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> > Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> > and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> > those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> > The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> >
> >
> >
> > Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> >
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
> >
> > http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration


  
    
                  
        On 31/08/2011 18:45, gino wong wrote:    
                       
            
Marantz made good stuff in the 70s. 
            
          
                  
    
    
    They made good stuff in the 1980s too.  When my balls dropped and I    got a job my first pay packet went on a hifi system and a boxed set    of Erik Satie records.  
    
    All the gear I had (aside from the Wharfedale speakers) was Marantz    and I never regretted it for a second.  I didn't just sound good, it    was my friend and companion through an extraordinary musical      adventure I took then which I doubt many other have been    anywhere near before or since.  
    
    Mike

>
> Hi Clay,
> 
> The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> 
> 
> 
> Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
> 
> http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
>

From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To:  newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug  31, 2011 8:07 pm
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230  restoration


 
 
 

 
Clay, I  used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great.  Not a 
high SPL  design but bow what a nice transparent sound.  
I am  working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in 
his  equipment room.  I was tempted to see if he would 
sell them  but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it   
J.  I miss those days of hi fi….I  was constantly buying 
and selling  gear to try different combinations.  I even had the huge 
Klipsch corner  ho rns at one point.  They were the most efficient 
speakers I  have ever seen…..They really made Dark Side of the Moon an 
experience to  remember!  ….those were good times….. :)
 
Gary
 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com?) ]  On Behalf Of ClayE
Sent: Wednesday, August 31 , 2011 2:59  PM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration


 

 
 
 
Gary:
I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a  California built 
Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it  all went in the 
trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still  functioning today, 
(usually without any lights) is a good indication of the  quality.

I don't care what they sell for. It sounds good, it's nice to  look at and 
I needed some practice soldering.

You might be interested  to know that I have a pair of Quad II power amps 
with Quad ESL 57's. I  temporarily wired the Marantz receiver to the ESL's. 
(I know it's a shitty  combination and will stress the receiver!) BUT it 
sounded pretty damn  sweet.

Clay 

--- I n _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  Gary Brumm <_gabru@..._ (mailto:gabru@...) > wrote:
>
> Hi  Clay,
> 
> The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone  invest the time 
and money to restore one of these receivers. These  were
> Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz  had sold 
off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
>  and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, 
etc.)  of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> those days  so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good 
deal on a Marantz  10B FM receiver you have something special.
> The 10B and the McIntosh  MR71 receivers are probably the best designed 
FM receivers ever  produced.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gary
> 
>  
> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.%20%20com)   [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
>  To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> 
>  
> 
> Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze  with 
step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers  are well 
built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> 
> _http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/_ 
(http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/) 
>  
> _http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html_ 
(http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html) 
>

>
> 
>  I didn't need good speakers to make "Dark Side..." an experience to remember.  I just..well...lets leave it at that.
> 
> 
> fritz
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Brumm <gabru@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:07 pm
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
> 
> Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great.  Not a high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound.  
> I am working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in his equipment room.  I was tempted to see if he would 
> sell them but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it  J.  I miss those days of hi fi….I was constantly buying 
> and selling gear to try different combinations.  I even had the huge Klipsch corner ho rns at one point.  They were the most efficient 
> speakers I have ever seen…..They really made Dark Side of the Moon an experience to remember!  ….those were good times….. :)
>  
> Gary
>  
>  
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31 , 2011 2:59 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
> 
>  
>   
> 
> 
> Gary:
> I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a California built Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today, (usually without any lights) is a good indication of the quality.
> 
> I don't care what they sell for. It sounds good, it's nice to look at and I needed some practice soldering.
> 
> You might be interested to know that I have a pair of Quad II power amps with Quad ESL 57's. I temporarily wired the Marantz receiver to the ESL's. (I know it's a shitty combination and will stress the receiver!) BUT it sounded pretty damn sweet.
> 
> Clay 
> 
> --- I n newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm <gabru@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Clay,
> > 
> > The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> > Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> > and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> > those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> > The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> > 
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> > 
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
> > 
> > http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
> >
>

>
> I had two home made crystal radios tuned to two different signals with an  
> earphone from one in my left ear and one from the other in my right. It 
> wasn't  stereo but it was hard to listen to. 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 8/31/2011 11:43:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> mellotronmadness@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> I had an old Philco radio and a Grundig tape recorder, but that was back in 
>  the days of John Peel and Radio 1 in concert. Thankfully I have forgotten  
> "Dark side of the Moon"
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  fdoddy@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I didn't need good speakers to make  "Dark Side..." an experience to 
> remember. I just..well...lets leave it at  that.
> > 
> > 
> > fritz
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original  Message-----
> > From: Gary Brumm <gabru@>
> > To:  newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
> >  Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:07 pm
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re:  Marantz 2230 restoration
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great. Not a  
> high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound. 
> > I am working  on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in 
> his equipment  room. I was tempted to see if he would 
> > sell them but I need to make  money these days as opposed to spending it 
> J. I miss those days of hi fi….I  was constantly buying 
> > and selling gear to try different combinations.  I even had the huge 
> Klipsch corner ho rns at one point. They were the most  efficient 
> > speakers I have ever seen…..They really made Dark Side of  the Moon an 
> experience to remember! ….those were good times….. :)
> >  
> > Gary
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31 , 2011 2:59 PM
> >  To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> >  Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Gary:
> > I assure you that I was  aware that I wasn't restoring a California built 
> Marantz. I have owned  Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the 
> trash. The fact that the  70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today, 
> (usually without any lights) is  a good indication of the quality.
> > 
> > I don't care what they sell  for. It sounds good, it's nice to look at 
> and I needed some practice  soldering.
> > 
> > You might be interested to know that I have a pair  of Quad II power amps 
> with Quad ESL 57's. I temporarily wired the Marantz  receiver to the ESL's. 
> (I know it's a shitty combination and will stress the  receiver!) BUT it 
> sounded pretty damn sweet.
> > 
> > Clay 
> >  
> > --- I n _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  Gary Brumm <gabru@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Clay,
> >  > 
> > > The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone  invest the time 
> and money to restore one of these receivers. These  were
> > > Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul  Marantz had 
> sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the  70's
> > > and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko,  Pioneer, 
> Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things  back in
> > > those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can  find a good 
> deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something  special.
> > > The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the  best designed 
> FM receivers ever produced.
> > > 
> > >  Cheers,
> > > 
> > > Gary
> > > 
> > > 
> >  > From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of ClayE
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39  AM
> > > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> >  > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Gotta love the Internets. This  restoration job was a breeze with 
> step-by-step instructions from  irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well 
> built. Far better than the  SHIT they make now.
> > > 
> > > _http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/_ 
> (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/) 
> >  > 
> > > _http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html_ 
> (http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html) 
> >  >
> >
>

> > >
> >
>

�

Oooh!� Mikey went on� extraordinary musical adventure!!!

>
> Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great. Not a high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound.
> I am working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in his equipment room. I was tempted to see if he would
> sell them but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it :). I miss those days of hi fi....I was constantly buying
> and selling gear to try different combinations. I even had the huge Klipsch corner horns at one point. They were the most efficient
> speakers I have ever seen.....They really made Dark Side of the Moon an experience to remember! ....those were good times..... :)
>
> Gary
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:59 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
> Gary:
> I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a California built Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today, (usually without any lights) is a good indication of the quality.
>
> I don't care what they sell for. It sounds good, it's nice to look at and I needed some practice soldering.
>
> You might be interested to know that I have a pair of Quad II power amps with Quad ESL 57's. I temporarily wired the Marantz receiver to the ESL's. (I know it's a shitty combination and will stress the receiver!) BUT it sounded pretty damn sweet.
>
> Clay
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Gary Brumm <gabru@<mailto:gabru@>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Clay,
> >
> > The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> > Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> > and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> > those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> > The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> >
> >
> >
> > Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> >
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
> >
> > http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
> >
>

On 8/31/11 9:30 PM, ClayE wrote:
> A new pair of Khorns will set you back about $7000.  If I ever get a suitable room to put them in, I'll get a pair.  Not the new ones.  An old scratched-up pair will suit me fine.
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm<gabru@...>  wrote:
>> Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great.  Not a high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound.
>> I am working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in his equipment room.  I was tempted to see if he would
>> sell them but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it  :).  I miss those days of hi fi....I was constantly buying
>> and selling gear to try different combinations.  I even had the huge Klipsch corner horns at one point.  They were the most efficient
>> speakers I have ever seen.....They really made Dark Side of the Moon an experience to remember!  ....those were good times..... :)
>>
>> Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:52 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration

 

  

My receiver of choice in the '70s was an Onkyo TX-2500 amp/receiver.
It's the only DC-coupled amp that I know of. I could push it full volume
through my JBL 4311's without distortion. The Onkyo lasted about 25
years and was replaced a few years ago by an Onkyo TX-8511. I don't
think it's DC-coupled though. The JBL's are still going strong. Both are
what my M400 goes through.

Bernie

>
> My 70's rig is a Technics SU-7700 integrated amp, Rotel turntable with
> Stanton 881S cartridge and, don't laugh, Realistic Mach 1 speakers.
> Used to work at Radio Shack.
> 
>  
> 
> Everything still works.  Added a CD player when they were invented.
> 
>  
> 
> John
> 
>  
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:52 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> My receiver of choice in the '70s was an Onkyo TX-2500 amp/receiver.
> It's the only DC-coupled amp that I know of. I could push it full volume
> through my JBL 4311's without distortion. The Onkyo lasted about 25
> years and was replaced a few years ago by an Onkyo TX-8511. I don't
> think it's DC-coupled though. The JBL's are still going strong. Both are
> what my M400 goes through.
> 
> Bernie
>

>
> My 70's rig is a Technics SU-7700 integrated amp, Rotel turntable with
> Stanton 881S cartridge and, don't laugh, Realistic Mach 1 speakers.
> Used to work at Radio Shack.
> 
> 
> 
> Everything still works. Added a CD player when they were invented.
> 
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:52 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My receiver of choice in the '70s was an Onkyo TX-2500 amp/receiver.
> It's the only DC-coupled amp that I know of. I could push it full volume
> through my JBL 4311's without distortion. The Onkyo lasted about 25
> years and was replaced a few years ago by an Onkyo TX-8511. I don't
> think it's DC-coupled though. The JBL's are still going strong. Both are
> what my M400 goes through.
> 
> Bernie
>

On 1 Sep 2011, at 14:51, "tron400" <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

> My receiver of choice in the '70s was an Onkyo TX-2500 amp/receiver. It's the only DC-coupled amp that I know of. I could push it full volume through my JBL 4311's without distortion. The Onkyo lasted about 25 years and was replaced a few years ago by an Onkyo TX-8511. I don't think it's DC-coupled though. The JBL's are still going strong. Both are what my M400 goes through.
> 
> Bernie
> 
>

On 1 Sep 2011, at 02:30, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

> A new pair of Khorns will set you back about $7000. If I ever get a suitable room to put them in, I'll get a pair. Not the new ones. An old scratched-up pair will suit me fine.
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm <gabru@...> wrote:
> >
> > Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great. Not a high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound.
> > I am working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in his equipment room.  I was tempted to see if he would
> > sell them but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it :). I miss those days of hi fi....I was constantly buying
> > and selling gear to try different combinations. I even had the huge Klipsch corner horns at one point. They were the most efficient
> > speakers I have ever seen.....They really made Dark Side of the Moon an experience to remember! ....those were good times..... :)
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> > 
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:59 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Gary:
> > I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a California built Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today, (usually without any lights) is a good indication of the quality.
> > 
> > I don't care what they sell for. It sounds good, it's nice to look at and I needed some practice soldering.
> > 
> > You might be interested to know that I have a pair of Quad II power amps with Quad ESL 57's. I temporarily wired the Marantz receiver to the ESL's. (I know it's a shitty combination and will stress the receiver!) BUT it sounded pretty damn sweet.
> > 
> > Clay
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Gary Brumm <gabru@<mailto:gabru@>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Clay,
> > >
> > > The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> > > Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> > > and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> > > those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> > > The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > >
> > > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> > >
> > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
> > >
> > > http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
> > >
> >
> 
>

>
>  I have a Luxman PD262 turntable and Luxman 1040 receiver.  Love them both.  The deck needs a service so  Project III as a replacement which is astonishingly good for relatively cheap money.
> 
> M
> 
> mellotronics.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> On 1 Sep 2011, at 14:51, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
> 
> > My receiver of choice in the '70s was an Onkyo TX-2500 amp/receiver. It's the only DC-coupled amp that I know of. I could push it full volume through my JBL 4311's without distortion. The Onkyo lasted about 25 years and was replaced a few years ago by an Onkyo TX-8511. I don't think it's DC-coupled though. The JBL's are still going strong. Both are what my M400 goes through.
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> >
>

>
> Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great.  Not a high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound.
> I am working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in his equipment room.  I was tempted to see if he would
> sell them but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it  :).  I miss those days of hi fi....I was constantly buying
> and selling gear to try different combinations.  I even had the huge Klipsch corner horns at one point.  They were the most efficient
> speakers I have ever seen.....They really made Dark Side of the Moon an experience to remember!  ....those were good times..... :)
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:59 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
> 
> 
> 
> Gary:
> I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a California built Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today, (usually without any lights) is a good indication of the quality.
> 
> I don't care what they sell for. It sounds good, it's nice to look at and I needed some practice soldering.
> 
> You might be interested to know that I have a pair of Quad II power amps with Quad ESL 57's. I temporarily wired the Marantz receiver to the ESL's. (I know it's a shitty combination and will stress the receiver!) BUT it sounded pretty damn sweet.
> 
> Clay
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>;, Gary Brumm <gabru@<mailto:gabru@>>; wrote:
> >
> > Hi Clay,
> >
> > The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> > Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> > and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> > those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> > The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>; [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>;] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>;
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> >
> >
> >
> > Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> >
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
> >
> > http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
> >
>

>
> I have a Luxman PD262 turntable and Luxman 1040 receiver. Love them both. The deck needs a service so Project III as a replacement which is astonishingly good for relatively cheap money.
> 
> M
> 
> mellotronics.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> On 1 Sep 2011, at 14:51, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
> 
> > My receiver of choice in the '70s was an Onkyo TX-2500 amp/receiver. It's the only DC-coupled amp that I know of. I could push it full volume through my JBL 4311's without distortion. The Onkyo lasted about 25 years and was replaced a few years ago by an Onkyo TX-8511. I don't think it's DC-coupled though. The JBL's are still going strong. Both are what my M400 goes through.
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> >
>

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:38 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration



I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name.  My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms.  I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>> wrote:

Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable?  I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.
It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch.  It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.
  --
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:19 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration



Hate to say it, but I was a teen and that one just didn't look cool to me at all - then again, at that point I didn't appreciate the scandanavian design.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>> wrote:

As far as cool I think my B&O lateral tracking TT was very cool and also high maintenance!

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:38 PM

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration



I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name.  My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms.  I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>> wrote:

Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable?  I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.
It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch.  It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.
  --
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*




--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 10:19 PM


  





Actually the B&O stuff looked like it belonged in a dentist office…..I worked on a lot of B&O product 
and it was a form over function company.  Like the overpriced esoteric wires and other “magic” stuff 
it falls into the category of audio jewelry.  I was fortunate to know dealers of a lot of high end audio stuff 
and there is a lot of well-designed stuff out there but when you get in to the “audiophile” super high end 
there is a lot of smoke and mirrors (and ridiculous price tags).  Monster Cable is an interesting company, 
they make wild unsubstantiated claims about their products and because they make it look cool people 
fall for it.  Their “engineers” are more like marketing people than technical people.  I got a lot of their 
products for free as a result of working on projects for them.  I have a big box of bad cables that it all Monster.  
They are pretty but very prone to failure.  But Noel is a very wealthy guy and Tony would flip over is 
exotic car collection.  Sorry to ramble on but this hi fi discussion brings back a lot of memories.  Now 
I just want a amp with remote control and I am happy….boy I must be older than I thought…………
 
g
 


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:19 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
 
  



Hate to say it, but I was a teen and that one just didn't look cool to me at all - then again, at that point I didn't appreciate the scandanavian design.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

  




As far as cool I think my B&O lateral tracking TT was very cool and also high maintenance!
 


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:38 PM


To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
 
  



I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name.  My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms.  I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.



On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

  




Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable?  I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.  
It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch.  It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.  
  -- 

john barrick

 

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
 




 
-- 

john barrick

 

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: tron400 
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:38 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration

  
For about a year, I worked in a local stereo chain that had a pro audio department. Between the home and pro sections, some of the brands they were pushing were:

Nakamichi cassette decks
Heil speakers
Magnapan and Magnaplanar speakers

They don't seem to get much mention in audiophile discussions. Anyone familiar with them?

Oh yeah, they also had their own synthesizer: Electrocomp.

Bernie

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:38 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration



For about a year, I worked in a local stereo chain that had a pro audio department. Between the home and pro sections, some of the brands they were pushing were:

Nakamichi cassette decks

Heil speakers

Magnapan and Magnaplanar speakers

They don't seem to get much mention in audiophile discussions. Anyone familiar with them?

Oh yeah, they also had their own synthesizer: Electrocomp.

Bernie

>
> For about a year, I worked in a local stereo chain that had a pro audio department. Between the home and pro sections, some of the brands they were pushing were:
> 
> Nakamichi cassette decks
> Heil speakers
> Magnapan and Magnaplanar speakers
> 
> They don't seem to get much mention in audiophile discussions. Anyone familiar with them?
> 
> Oh yeah, they also had their own synthesizer: Electrocomp.
> 
> Bernie
>

>
> Hi Bernie,
> 
> I had a Nakamichi 550 cassette deck that wad an excellent portable deck for recording live.  It was the very first thing I bought on credit when I was a kid.
> I had the ESS Studio Monitors with the Heil AMT (Air Motion Tranformers) and 2 12's (one passive, one active).....very nice sounding until you pushed the real hard.
> I had Magnaplanars on load for a while and like the Quad's they were very open sounding and great for Jazz or Classical.
> 
> g
> 
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:38 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
> 
> 
> 
> For about a year, I worked in a local stereo chain that had a pro audio department. Between the home and pro sections, some of the brands they were pushing were:
> 
> Nakamichi cassette decks
> 
> Heil speakers
> 
> Magnapan and Magnaplanar speakers
> 
> They don't seem to get much mention in audiophile discussions. Anyone familiar with them?
> 
> Oh yeah, they also had their own synthesizer: Electrocomp.
> 
> Bernie
>

>
> Hi Bernie,
>
> I had a Nakamichi 550 cassette deck that wad an excellent portable deck for recording live. It was the very first thing I bought on credit when I was a kid.
> I had the ESS Studio Monitors with the Heil AMT (Air Motion Tranformers) and 2 12's (one passive, one active).....very nice sounding until you pushed the real hard.
> I had Magnaplanars on load for a while and like the Quad's they were very open sounding and great for Jazz or Classical.
>
> g
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:38 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
> For about a year, I worked in a local stereo chain that had a pro audio department. Between the home and pro sections, some of the brands they were pushing were:
>
> Nakamichi cassette decks
>
> Heil speakers
>
> Magnapan and Magnaplanar speakers
>
> They don't seem to get much mention in audiophile discussions. Anyone familiar with them?
>
> Oh yeah, they also had their own synthesizer: Electrocomp.
>
> Bernie
>

>
>
>I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the 
>name.  My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer 
>looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had 
>mounts for three different tone arms.  I was on a budget and stuck 
>with Technics DD tables.
>
>On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm 
><<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>gabru@comsec.net> wrote:
>
>
>Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable?  I had one and it came 
>with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.
>
>It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury 
>switch.  It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.
>
>   --
>
>john barrick
>
>*Leo got it right the first time*
>*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nic Lewis
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 1:41 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration



Talking of odd designs (wooden arms, B&O lateral tracking) does anyone recall a TT that used a pin point laser device to scan the track and the reflected light was received and converted to electrical signal (of course)? A sort of analogue bar code reader. It was marketed in the early 80s and as far as I recall cost about 1000 quid here.

Big selling point was no wear on the vinyl. Maybe a great idea a bit to early and overtaken by the digital revolution?

Best
Nic

At 03:38 02/09/2011, john barrick wrote:


I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name.  My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms.  I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>> wrote:

Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable?  I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.
It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch.  It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.
  --
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 10:21 AM


  





Hi Bruce,
 
We did extensive testing of various cables for a Magazine and you’re really better off with a good old Beldon cable.  
We did everything from frequency response, impulse, capacitance, etc. to double blind listening tests.  It’s interesting 
that when people saw the shiny gold connectors on a high priced cable next to a boring set of regular cables they could 
hear the difference but when they didn’t know what cable they were listening to they could not.  Those spiral clawed 
RCA cables from Monster used to break the jacks when inserted or removed.  These days they sell digital cables that 
they claim sound better and it’s just as ridiculous.  Noel Lee laughs all the way to the bank!  One of my favorites was 
a telephone cable that made your dial up Internet speed faster.  It was 6 feet long.  I asked the engineer about the 
house wiring which was intermingled with the mains and he didn’t know how to respond.  At the end of the day a good 
cable is one with good noise rejection and one that is quiet when shaken (instrument/mic cables), and coils nicely.  
Any decent production cable will work fine.  I remember a friend of mine paying over $300 in the 70’s for a 3 foot 
phono cable.  The pamphlet that came with it claimed that there were 3 gauges of wire inside and that the highs 
traveled better down the small wires , the mids, the mid size wire, and the bass the larger wire.  It then went on to 
talk about “skin effect”, that as every real engineer knows, is a phenomena that only occurs at RF frequencies.  
There is a lot of twisted science out there and a lot of powerful marketing to support it.  There are a lot of great 
cables out there at a reasonable price….quiet and durable.  The Monster cable is quite popular in the car stereo 
industry but in contests appearance is a big thing in their competitions.  
 
Cheers,
 
Gary
 
 


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Daily
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 12:42 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
 
  








Hey Gary-

   Monster Cable stuff is ok, but stay with their cheapest cables that have serviceable plugs.  I have found that they aren't assembled (soldered) very well, and need rework.  I did notice that the sound was better, more solid.  Heavier speaker wire helps, but again, stay with the basics.

   I get the MusicDirect catalog, and some of the audio tweaks they sell are outrageous, and too expensive.  Given some thought though, the ideas the tweaks employ can direct you to try cheaper home-brewed solutions.

   MusicDirect also offers the Avid Acutus Reference SP Turntable for $20K (no tonearm).  Hmm...  They also have some new Luxman stuff.

 

   -Bruce D.

   (a poor audiophile with a 'tron)

 

   

--- On Thu, 9/1/11, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:


From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 10:19 PM

  



Actually the B&O stuff looked like it belonged in a dentist office…..I worked on a lot of B&O product 
and it was a form over function company.  Like the overpriced esoteric wires and other “magic” stuff 
it falls into the category of audio jewelry.  I was fortunate to know dealers of a lot of high end audio stuff 
and there is a lot of well-designed stuff out there but when you get in to the “audiophile” super high end 
there is a lot of smoke and mirrors (and ridiculous price tags).  Monster Cable is an interesting company, 
they make wild unsubstantiated claims about their products and because they make it look cool people 
fall for it.  Their “engineers” are more like marketing people than technical people.  I got a lot of their 
products for free as a result of working on projects for them.  I have a big box of bad cables that it all Monster.  
They are pretty but very prone to failure.  But Noel is a very wealthy guy and Tony would flip over is 
exotic car collection.  Sorry to ramble on but this hi fi discussion brings back a lot of memories.  Now 
I just want a amp with remote control and I am happy….boy I must be older than I thought………… 
  
g 
  


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:19 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
  
  




Hate to say it, but I was a teen and that one just didn't look cool to me at all - then again, at that point I didn't appreciate the scandanavian design.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

  




As far as cool I think my B&O lateral tracking TT was very cool and also high maintenance!
 


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:38 PM


To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
 
  



I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name.  My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms.  I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.



On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

  




Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable?  I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.  
It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch.  It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.  
  -- 

john barrick

 

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
  




 
-- 

john barrick

 

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 2:41 PM


  




Talking of odd designs (wooden arms, B&O lateral tracking) does anyone recall a TT that used a pin point laser device to scan the track and the reflected light was received and converted to electrical signal (of course)? A sort of analogue bar code reader. It was marketed in the early 80s and as far as I recall cost about 1000 quid here.

Big selling point was no wear on the vinyl. Maybe a great idea a bit to early and overtaken by the digital revolution?

Best
Nic

At 03:38 02/09/2011, john barrick wrote:

  

I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name.  My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms.  I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:


  


Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable?  I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.  


It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch.  It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.  


  -- 

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Nic-
I remember something about it, but don't remember the manufacturer. Did BIC have something to do with it? The unit could aim the beams at unused groove walls for better reproduction. It seemed to be the big talk in Audio magazine (my old favorite) for a year, then it wasn't mentioned again. I believe it was mentioned that marketing aimed the unit at music archivists (museums, libraries, etc.).

-Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 9/2/11, Nic Lewis wrote:

From: Nic Lewis
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 2:41 PM



Talking of odd designs (wooden arms, B&O lateral tracking) does anyone recall a TT that used a pin point laser device to scan the track and the reflected light was received and converted to electrical signal (of course)? A sort of analogue bar code reader. It was marketed in the early 80s and as far as I recall cost about 1000 quid here.

Big selling point was no wear on the vinyl. Maybe a great idea a bit to early and overtaken by the digital revolution?

Best
Nic

At 03:38 02/09/2011, john barrick wrote:

I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name. My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms. I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm < gabru@comsec.net> wrote:
Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable? I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.
It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch. It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.
--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 12:05 PM


  



Bruce (et al),

I'm glad I didn't imagine it back then when I have to admit some days were blurry for the obvious reasons!

It seems that the technology is still alive and well (and expensive): http://www.audioturntable.com/about/index.html

But despite the dates in that page this would seem to chime more with my memories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable  I think the ad I saw may have been before it was actually made and the suggested price an estimation of what it would be, but that error could easily be my memory. 

Oh well another audio curiosity that went nowhere. 


At 01:29 03/09/2011, Bruce Daily wrote:

  

Nic-
  I remember something about it, but don't remember the manufacturer.  Did BIC have something to do with it?  The unit could aim the beams at unused groove walls for better reproduction.  It seemed to be the big talk in Audio magazine (my old favorite) for a year, then it wasn't mentioned again.  I believe it was mentioned that marketing aimed the unit at music archivists (museums, libraries, etc.).
 
  -Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 9/2/11, Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org> wrote:



From: Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org>

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 2:41 PM


  


Talking of odd designs (wooden arms, B&O lateral tracking) does anyone recall a TT that used a pin point laser device to scan the track and the reflected light was received and converted to electrical signal (of course)? A sort of analogue bar code reader. It was marketed in the early 80s and as far as I recall cost about 1000 quid here.


Big selling point was no wear on the vinyl. Maybe a great idea a bit to early and overtaken by the digital revolution?


Best

Nic


At 03:38 02/09/2011, john barrick wrote:


  


I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name.  My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms.  I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.


On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm < gabru@comsec.net> wrote: 

  

Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable?  I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.  

It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch.  It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.  

  -- 


john barrick


*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 12:05 PM

  

Bruce (et al),

I'm glad I didn't imagine it back then when I have to admit some days were blurry for the obvious reasons!

It seems that the technology is still alive and well (and expensive): http://www.audioturntable.com/about/index.html

But despite the dates in that page this would seem to chime more with my memories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable  I think the ad I saw may have been before it was actually made and the suggested price an estimation of what it would be, but that error could easily be my memory. 

Oh well another audio curiosity that went nowhere. 


At 01:29 03/09/2011, Bruce Daily wrote:

  

Nic-
  I remember something about it, but don't remember the manufacturer.  Did BIC have something to do with it?  The unit could aim the beams at unused groove walls for better reproduction.  It seemed to be the big talk in Audio magazine (my old favorite) for a year, then it wasn't mentioned again.  I believe it was mentioned that marketing aimed the unit at music archivists (museums, libraries, etc.).
 
  -Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 9/2/11, Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org> wrote:

From: Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 2:41 PM

  

Talking of odd designs (wooden arms, B&O lateral tracking) does anyone recall a TT that used a pin point laser device to scan the track and the reflected light was received and converted to electrical signal (of course)? A sort of analogue bar code reader. It was marketed in the early 80s and as far as I recall cost about 1000 quid here.

Big selling point was no wear on the vinyl. Maybe a great idea a bit to early and overtaken by the digital revolution?

Best
Nic

At 03:38 02/09/2011, john barrick wrote:

  

I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name.  My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms.  I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm < gabru@comsec.net> wrote:   
Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable?  I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.  
It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch.  It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.  
  -- 

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*