dewanatron
2012-01-26 by gino wong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgakrRWs0r8
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-26 by john barrick
Damn, son.
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*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-26 by fdoddy@aol.com
yeah, the Dewans make some crazy beautiful stuff. Brooklyn based.. fritz
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Damn, son.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:23 AM, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgakrRWs0r8
Looks ridiculous is hugely cool
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john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-26 by gino wong
I was wondering what they used for tone generation. Cmos , Sn7xx... or or more involved real organ or synthesis syuff. Fascinating stuff moving toys over into tools.
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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM, <fdoddy@aol.com> wrote:
yeah, the Dewans make some crazy beautiful stuff. Brooklyn based..
fritz
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Damn, son.
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*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
Louis Armstrong
Gino Wong Birgelo
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-26 by Mike Dickson
Tremendous effort. The bass sounds great, but won't it all sound a bit odd without any temperament?
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On 26 January 2012 17:30, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
I was wondering what they used for tone generation. Cmos , Sn7xx... or or more involved real organ or synthesis syuff. Fascinating stuff moving toys over into tools.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-26 by gino wong
It’s what people play in Just Intonation that is the odd bit Mike. :)
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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
Tremendous effort. The bass sounds great, but won't it all sound a bit odd without any temperament?
On 26 January 2012 17:30, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
I was wondering what they used for tone generation. Cmos , Sn7xx... or or more involved real organ or synthesis syuff. Fascinating stuff moving toys over into tools.
"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
Louis Armstrong
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC
Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-26 by fdoddy@aol.com
YES!!
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Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
Tremendous effort. The bass sounds great, but won't it all sound a bit odd without any temperament?
On 26 January 2012 17:30, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
I was wondering what they used for tone generation. Cmos , Sn7xx... or or more involved real organ or synthesis syuff. Fascinating stuff moving toys over into tools.RE: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-26 by John Hammaren
Okay, I am usually in sync with esoteric stuff like this, but please, someone help me here. I suppose I find myself in the minority or perhaps this is one time where I 'don't get it', but I am not seeing the wow factor here. Maybe it was the laptop speakers, and who doesn't enjoy a hymn (hmm....), but the demo didn't exactly knock me out. For those with perfect pitch, I understand that JS Bach's contribution to temperament may have its downside, but for us mere mortals, I found the sound hollow and about as interesting as Schoenberg. Okay, I can be narrow and certainly set in my ways when it comes to music, but can someone tell me what I missed, or is anyone else perhaps feeling similarly. I am not knocking the instrument - clearly a lot of effort and I can only imagine what this thing would or does cost. I also wish he would have spent more time describing the bells and whistles. Just my $.02. Of course, of many who have seen my Tron, I'm sure some would be bewildered if they knew the investment I made in something forty years young and the costs and efforts that went along with that. Best regards to all, John
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gino wong Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:23 AM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgakrRWs0r8 Looks ridiculous is hugely cool -- "All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song." Louis Armstrong Gino Wong Birgelo BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC Audio Production, Logistics, Analog Synthesizers, Sound Design Ginowong@gmail.com<mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com>
Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-26 by Mark
There seems to a lot of argument as to which type of tuning Bach intended, it may not have been equal temperament as we know it. However I wasn't particularly astounded by the sounds either although it's a nice looking instrument and must have involved a lot of work.
I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else.
Mark
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On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
Okay, I am usually in sync with esoteric stuff like this, but please, someone help me here. I suppose I find myself in the minority or perhaps this is one time where I ‘don’t get it’, but I am not seeing the wow factor here. Maybe it was the laptop speakers, and who doesn’t enjoy a hymn (hmm….), but the demo didn’t exactly knock me out. For those with perfect pitch, I understand that JS Bach’s contribution to temperament may have its downside, but for us mere mortals, I found the sound hollow and about as interesting as Schoenberg. Okay, I can be narrow and certainly set in my ways when it comes to music, but can someone tell me what I missed, or is anyone else perhaps feeling similarly. I am not knocking the instrument – clearly a lot of effort and I can only imagine what this thing would or does cost. I also wish he would have spent more time describing the bells and whistles.
Just my $.02. Of course, of many who have seen my Tron, I’m sure some would be bewildered if they knew the investment I made in something forty years young and the costs and efforts that went along with that.
Best regards to all,
John
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gino wong
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:23 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgakrRWs0r8
Looks ridiculous is hugely cool
--
"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
Louis Armstrong
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC
RE: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-26 by John Hammaren
Re: "I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else" Couldn't agree more. Half the stuff I listen to old and new has little issues with tuning, obviously with vocals for the most part. I get a kick out of venues like 'American Idol' that lambast people for 'pitchiness'. Gee, anyone see Steven Tyler sing the national anthem the other day. Quite disgraceful, and I'm not even talking about that because it was the anthem, but more for the fact that even the tone deaf players were cringing. The guy has balls if he took money for that. When I saw Clapton and Winwood a few years back, I left the arena quite disappointed. Why? The concert was perfect, right down to the solos that started and stopped beautifully with the MIDI cues. On the other hand, I saw Greg Rollie (aka Santana/Journey) in SF last summer in a small club. It was fucking excellent. One piano, and one blues guitar. That's what this shit is supposed to be about. Pardon my French. He's no crooner, but knows his limits, unlike Steven, who appears to be headed for another 'vacation' if the singing was any indication. BTW, sometimes I think my Tron is not pitchy enough, so a little flanging and chorus through the Eventide, and I am there. Sorry for the tome(s). I haven't posted in a while. Cheers.
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:41 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron There seems to a lot of argument as to which type of tuning Bach intended, it may not have been equal temperament as we know it. However I wasn't particularly astounded by the sounds either although it's a nice looking instrument and must have involved a lot of work. I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else. Mark On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com<mailto:hammaren@geoconcepts.com>> wrote: Okay, I am usually in sync with esoteric stuff like this, but please, someone help me here. I suppose I find myself in the minority or perhaps this is one time where I 'don't get it', but I am not seeing the wow factor here. Maybe it was the laptop speakers, and who doesn't enjoy a hymn (hmm....), but the demo didn't exactly knock me out. For those with perfect pitch, I understand that JS Bach's contribution to temperament may have its downside, but for us mere mortals, I found the sound hollow and about as interesting as Schoenberg. Okay, I can be narrow and certainly set in my ways when it comes to music, but can someone tell me what I missed, or is anyone else perhaps feeling similarly. I am not knocking the instrument - clearly a lot of effort and I can only imagine what this thing would or does cost. I also wish he would have spent more time describing the bells and whistles. Just my $.02. Of course, of many who have seen my Tron, I'm sure some would be bewildered if they knew the investment I made in something forty years young and the costs and efforts that went along with that. Best regards to all, John From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of gino wong Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:23 AM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgakrRWs0r8 Looks ridiculous is hugely cool -- "All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song." Louis Armstrong Gino Wong Birgelo BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC Audio Production, Logistics, Analog Synthesizers, Sound Design Ginowong@gmail.com<mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com>
Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-27 by lsf5275@aol.com
Let's not tell anyone... In a message dated 1/26/2012 5:51:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hammaren@geoconcepts.com writes: Just my $.02. Of course, of many who have seen my Tron, I’m sure some would be bewildered if they knew the investment I made in something forty years young and the costs and efforts that went along with that.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-27 by Fritz Doddy
I love that about it Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan. fritzdoddy
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On Jan 26, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Mark <markpringnz@gmail.com> wrote: > There seems to a lot of argument as to which type of tuning Bach intended, it may not have been equal temperament as we know it. However I wasn't particularly astounded by the sounds either although it's a nice looking instrument and must have involved a lot of work. > > > I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else. > > Mark > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote: > > Okay, I am usually in sync with esoteric stuff like this, but please, someone help me here. I suppose I find myself in the minority or perhaps this is one time where I ‘don’t get it’, but I am not seeing the wow factor here. Maybe it was the laptop speakers, and who doesn’t enjoy a hymn (hmm….), but the demo didn’t exactly knock me out. For those with perfect pitch, I understand that JS Bach’s contribution to temperament may have its downside, but for us mere mortals, I found the sound hollow and about as interesting as Schoenberg. Okay, I can be narrow and certainly set in my ways when it comes to music, but can someone tell me what I missed, or is anyone else perhaps feeling similarly. I am not knocking the instrument – clearly a lot of effort and I can only imagine what this thing would or does cost. I also wish he would have spent more time describing the bells and whistles. > > Just my $.02. Of course, of many who have seen my Tron, I’m sure some would be bewildered if they knew the investment I made in something forty years young and the costs and efforts that went along with that. > > > > Best regards to all, > > > > John > > > > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gino wong > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:23 AM > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgakrRWs0r8 > > > > Looks ridiculous is hugely cool > > > > > > -- > > "All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song." > > Louis Armstrong > > > > > > Gino Wong Birgelo > > BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC > > Audio Production, Logistics, Analog Synthesizers, Sound Design > > > > Ginowong@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-27 by gino wong
Yeah, I get that but these things have no wider context than they are a bit of fluff on the NAMM floor and a tool for one or more nuts.
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gw
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:58 PM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
Re: “I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn';t in tune with itself or anything else”
Couldn’t agree more. Half the stuff I listen to old and new has little issues with tuning, obviously with vocals for the most part. I get a kick out of venues like ‘American Idol’ that lambast people for ‘pitchiness’. Gee, anyone see Steven Tyler sing the national anthem the other day. Quite disgraceful, and I’m not even talking about that because it was the anthem, but more for the fact that even the tone deaf players were cringing. The guy has balls if he took money for that. When I saw Clapton and Winwood a few years back, I left the arena quite disappointed. Why? The concert was perfect, right down to the solos that started and stopped beautifully with the MIDI cues. On the other hand, I saw Greg Rollie (aka Santana/Journey) in SF last summer in a small club. It was fucking excellent. One piano, and one blues guitar. That’s what this shit is supposed to be about. Pardon my French. He’s no crooner, but knows his limits, unlike Steven, who appears to be headed for another ‘vacation’ if the singing was any indication. BTW, sometimes I think my Tron is not pitchy enough, so a little flanging and chorus through the Eventide, and I am there. Sorry for the tome(s). I haven’t posted in a while. Cheers.
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:41 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
There seems to a lot of argument as to which type of tuning Bach intended, it may not have been equal temperament as we know it. However I wasn';t particularly astounded by the sounds either although it's a nice looking instrument and must have involved a lot of work.
I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else.
Mark
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
Okay, I am usually in sync with esoteric stuff like this, but please, someone help me here. I suppose I find myself in the minority or perhaps this is one time where I ‘don’t get it’, but I am not seeing the wow factor here. Maybe it was the laptop speakers, and who doesn’t enjoy a hymn (hmm….), but the demo didn’t exactly knock me out. For those with perfect pitch, I understand that JS Bach’s contribution to temperament may have its downside, but for us mere mortals, I found the sound hollow and about as interesting as Schoenberg. Okay, I can be narrow and certainly set in my ways when it comes to music, but can someone tell me what I missed, or is anyone else perhaps feeling similarly. I am not knocking the instrument – clearly a lot of effort and I can only imagine what this thing would or does cost. I also wish he would have spent more time describing the bells and whistles.
Just my $.02. Of course, of many who have seen my Tron, I’m sure some would be bewildered if they knew the investment I made in something forty years young and the costs and efforts that went along with that.
Best regards to all,
John
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gino wong
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:23 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgakrRWs0r8
Looks ridiculous is hugely cool
--
"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
Louis Armstrong
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC
"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
Louis Armstrong
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC
Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-27 by fdoddy@aol.com
that's me!!!
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Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
Yeah, I get that but these things have no wider context than they are a bit of fluff on the NAMM floor and a tool for one or more nuts.
gw
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:58 PM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
Re: “I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else”
Couldn’t agree more. Half the stuff I listen to old and new has little issues with tuning, obviously with vocals for the most part. I get a kick out of venues like ‘American Idol’ that lambast people for ‘pitchiness’. Gee, anyone see Steven Tyler sing the national anthem the other day. Quite disgraceful, and I’m not even talking about that because it was the anthem, but more for the fact that even the tone deaf players were cringing. The guy has balls if he took money for that. When I saw Clapton and Winwood a few years back, I left the arena quite disappointed. Why? The concert was perfect, right down to the solos that started and stopped beautifully with the MIDI cues. On the other hand, I saw Greg Rollie (aka Santana/Journey) in SF last summer in a small club. It was fucking excellent. One piano, and one blues guitar. That’s what this shit is supposed to be about. Pardon my French. He’s no crooner, but knows his limits, unlike Steven, who appears to be headed for another ‘vacation’ if the singing was any indication. BTW, sometimes I think my Tron is not pitchy enough, so a little flanging and chorus through the Eventide, and I am there. Sorry for the tome(s). I haven’t posted in a while. Cheers.
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:41 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
There seems to a lot of argument as to which type of tuning Bach intended, it may not have been equal temperament as we know it. However I wasn't particularly astounded by the sounds either although it's a nice looking instrument and must have involved a lot of work.
I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else.
Mark
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
Okay, I am usually in sync with esoteric stuff like this, but please, someone help me here. I suppose I find myself in the minority or perhaps this is one time where I ‘don’t get it’, but I am not seeing the wow factor here. Maybe it was the laptop speakers, and who doesn’t enjoy a hymn (hmm….), but the demo didn’t exactly knock me out. For those with perfect pitch, I understand that JS Bach’s contribution to temperament may have its downside, but for us mere mortals, I found the sound hollow and about as interesting as Schoenberg. Okay, I can be narrow and certainly set in my ways when it comes to music, but can someone tell me what I missed, or is anyone else perhaps feeling similarly. I am not knocking the instrument – clearly a lot of effort and I can only imagine what this thing would or does cost. I also wish he would have spent more time describing the bells and whistles.
Just my $.02. Of course, of many who have seen my Tron, I’m sure some would be bewildered if they knew the investment I made in something forty years young and the costs and efforts that went along with that.
Best regards to all,
John
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gino wong
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:23 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgakrRWs0r8
Looks ridiculous is hugely cool
--
"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
Louis Armstrong
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC
Audio Production, Logistics, Analog Synthesizers, Sound Design
Ginowong@gmail.com
--
"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
Louis Armstrong
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC
Audio Production, Logistics, Analog Synthesizers, Sound Design
Ginowong@gmail.comRe: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-27 by fdoddy@aol.com
have you seen the trax rs-1 rota synth? I'm thinking about one of these to control my other analog goodies... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylTbrYEQDH8
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From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
Yeah, I get that but these things have no wider context than they are a bit of fluff on the NAMM floor and a tool for one or more nuts.
gw
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:58 PM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
Re: “I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else”
Couldn’t agree more. Half the stuff I listen to old and new has little issues with tuning, obviously with vocals for the most part. I get a kick out of venues like ‘American Idol’ that lambast people for ‘pitchiness’. Gee, anyone see Steven Tyler sing the national anthem the other day. Quite disgraceful, and I’m not even talking about that because it was the anthem, but more for the fact that even the tone deaf players were cringing. The guy has balls if he took money for that. When I saw Clapton and Winwood a few years back, I left the arena quite disappointed. Why? The concert was perfect, right down to the solos that started and stopped beautifully with the MIDI cues. On the other hand, I saw Greg Rollie (aka Santana/Journey) in SF last summer in a small club. It was fucking excellent. One piano, and one blues guitar. That’s what this shit is supposed to be about. Pardon my French. He’s no crooner, but knows his limits, unlike Steven, who appears to be headed for another ‘vacation’ if the singing was any indication. BTW, sometimes I think my Tron is not pitchy enough, so a little flanging and chorus through the Eventide, and I am there. Sorry for the tome(s). I haven’t posted in a while. Cheers.
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:41 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
There seems to a lot of argument as to which type of tuning Bach intended, it may not have been equal temperament as we know it. However I wasn't particularly astounded by the sounds either although it's a nice looking instrument and must have involved a lot of work.
I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else.
Mark
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
Okay, I am usually in sync with esoteric stuff like this, but please, someone help me here. I suppose I find myself in the minority or perhaps this is one time where I ‘don’t get it’, but I am not seeing the wow factor here. Maybe it was the laptop speakers, and who doesn’t enjoy a hymn (hmm….), but the demo didn’t exactly knock me out. For those with perfect pitch, I understand that JS Bach’s contribution to temperament may have its downside, but for us mere mortals, I found the sound hollow and about as interesting as Schoenberg. Okay, I can be narrow and certainly set in my ways when it comes to music, but can someone tell me what I missed, or is anyone else perhaps feeling similarly. I am not knocking the instrument – clearly a lot of effort and I can only imagine what this thing would or does cost. I also wish he would have spent more time describing the bells and whistles.
Just my $.02. Of course, of many who have seen my Tron, I’m sure some would be bewildered if they knew the investment I made in something forty years young and the costs and efforts that went along with that.
Best regards to all,
John
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gino wong
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:23 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgakrRWs0r8
Looks ridiculous is hugely cool
--
"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
Louis Armstrong
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC
Audio Production, Logistics, Analog Synthesizers, Sound Design
Ginowong@gmail.com
--
"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
Louis Armstrong
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC
Audio Production, Logistics, Analog Synthesizers, Sound Design
Ginowong@gmail.comRe: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-28 by lsf5275@aol.com
My nuts came with a proper tool. In a message dated 1/27/2012 4:21:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes: that's me!!! -----Original Message-----
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From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron Yeah, I get that but these things have no wider context than they are a bit of fluff on the NAMM floor and a tool for one or more nuts. gw On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:58 PM, John Hammaren <_hammaren@geoconcepts.com_ (mailto:hammaren@geoconcepts.com) > wrote: Re: “I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else” Couldn’t agree more. Half the stuff I listen to old and new has little issues with tuning, obviously with vocals for the most part. I get a kick out of venues like ‘American Idol’ that lambast people for ‘pitchiness’. Gee, anyone see Steven Tyler sing the national anthem the other day. Quite disgraceful, and I’m not even talking about that because it was the anthem, but more for the fact that even the tone deaf players were cringing. The guy has balls if he took money for that. When I saw Clapton and Winwood a few years back, I left the arena quite disappointed. Why? The concert was perfect, right down to the solos that started and stopped beautifully with the MIDI cues. On the other hand, I saw Greg Rollie (aka Santana/Journey) in SF last summer in a small club. It was fucking excellent. One piano, and one blues guitar. That’s what this shit is supposed to be about. Pardon my French. He’s no crooner, but knows his limits, unlike Steven, who appears to be headed for another ‘vacation’ if the singing was any indication. BTW, sometimes I think my Tron is not pitchy enough, so a little flanging and chorus through the Eventide, and I am there. Sorry for the tome(s). I haven’t posted in a while. Cheers. From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:41 PM To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron There seems to a lot of argument as to which type of tuning Bach intended, it may not have been equal temperament as we know it. However I wasn't particularly astounded by the sounds either although it's a nice looking instrument and must have involved a lot of work. I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else. Mark On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM, John Hammaren <_hammaren@geoconcepts.com_ (mailto:hammaren@geoconcepts.com) > wrote: Okay, I am usually in sync with esoteric stuff like this, but please, someone help me here. I suppose I find myself in the minority or perhaps this is one time where I ‘don’t get it’, but I am not seeing the wow factor here. Maybe it was the laptop speakers, and who doesn’t enjoy a hymn (hmm….), but the demo didn’t exactly knock me out. For those with perfect pitch, I understand that JS Bach’s contribution to temperament may have its downside, but for us mere mortals, I found the sound hollow and about as interesting as Schoenberg. Okay, I can be narrow and certainly set in my ways when it comes to music, but can someone tell me what I missed, or is anyone else perhaps feeling similarly. I am not knocking the instrument – clearly a lot of effort and I can only imagine what this thing would or does cost. I also wish he would have spent more time describing the bells and whistles. Just my $.02. Of course, of many who have seen my Tron, I’m sure some would be bewildered if they knew the investment I made in something forty years young and the costs and efforts that went along with that. Best regards to all, John From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of gino wong Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:23 AM To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgakrRWs0r8_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgakrRWs0r8) Looks ridiculous is hugely cool -- "All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song." Louis Armstrong Gino Wong Birgelo BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC Audio Production, Logistics, Analog Synthesizers, Sound Design _Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com) -- "All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song." Louis Armstrong Gino Wong Birgelo BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC Audio Production, Logistics, Analog Synthesizers, Sound Design _Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com)
Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
2012-01-28 by gino wong
I had to order mine in special
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On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:36 AM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
My nuts came with a proper tool.In a message dated 1/27/2012 4:21:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:that's me!!!
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From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatron
Yeah, I get that but these things have no wider context than they are a bit of fluff on the NAMM floor and a tool for one or more nuts.gw
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:58 PM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
Re: “I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else”Couldn’t agree more. Half the stuff I listen to old and new has little issues with tuning, obviously with vocals for the most part. I get a kick out of venues like ‘American Idol’ that lambast people for ‘pitchiness’. Gee, anyone see Steven Tyler sing the national anthem the other day. Quite disgraceful, and I’m not even talking about that because it was the anthem, but more for the fact that even the tone deaf players were cringing. The guy has balls if he took money for that. When I saw Clapton and Winwood a few years back, I left the arena quite disappointed. Why? The concert was perfect, right down to the solos that started and stopped beautifully with the MIDI cues. On the other hand, I saw Greg Rollie (aka Santana/Journey) in SF last summer in a small club. It was fucking excellent. One piano, and one blues guitar. That’s what this shit is supposed to be about. Pardon my French. He’s no crooner, but knows his limits, unlike Steven, who appears to be headed for another ‘vacation’ if the singing was any indication. BTW, sometimes I think my Tron is not pitchy enough, so a little flanging and chorus through the Eventide, and I am there. Sorry for the tome(s). I haven’t posted in a while. Cheers.From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:41 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatronThere seems to a lot of argument as to which type of tuning Bach intended, it may not have been equal temperament as we know it. However I wasn't particularly astounded by the sounds either although it's a nice looking instrument and must have involved a lot of work.I know that nobody on the list is likely to agree with me but one of the main charms of the mellotron is that it isn't in tune with itself or anything else.MarkOn Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:Okay, I am usually in sync with esoteric stuff like this, but please, someone help me here. I suppose I find myself in the minority or perhaps this is one time where I ‘don’t get it’, but I am not seeing the wow factor here. Maybe it was the laptop speakers, and who doesn’t enjoy a hymn (hmm….), but the demo didn’t exactly knock me out. For those with perfect pitch, I understand that JS Bach’s contribution to temperament may have its downside, but for us mere mortals, I found the sound hollow and about as interesting as Schoenberg. Okay, I can be narrow and certainly set in my ways when it comes to music, but can someone tell me what I missed, or is anyone else perhaps feeling similarly. I am not knocking the instrument – clearly a lot of effort and I can only imagine what this thing would or does cost. I also wish he would have spent more time describing the bells and whistles.Just my $.02. Of course, of many who have seen my Tron, I’m sure some would be bewildered if they knew the investment I made in something forty years young and the costs and efforts that went along with that.Best regards to all,JohnFrom: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gino wong
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:23 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] dewanatronLooks ridiculous is hugely cool--"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."Louis ArmstrongGino Wong BirgeloBSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC
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"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."Louis ArmstrongGino Wong BirgeloBSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC
"All music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
Louis Armstrong
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, CSEC