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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:50 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs



Someone local to me is selling a minimoog.  I admit I am tempted.  He doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary about.  Yes, we're quite a team.

What are they generally being sold for these days?
What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)

Mike

On 18 Nov 2012, at 04:50, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

> Someone local to me is selling a minimoog.  I admit I am tempted.  He doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary about.  Yes, we're quite a team.
> 
> 
> What are they generally being sold for these days?
> What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)
> 
> Mike
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Dale

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:22 AM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs

Mike,

Gary is 100% right about the $2000.00 price for a Minimoog especially in this economy. Sometimes they might be a little more now ($3000) depending on some variables.


The biggest issue with them is the oscillator tuning and whether this matters a lot to you.

When I got my Minimoog (back in 1990) people were paying more for the ones with the original oscillator cards (in serial numbers below 10000 I believe).

Those were supposed to sound just like the modular Moogs, (hence the name mini-moog).

In 1976 Norlin music (which took over Robert Moog's company) changed the oscillator boards and made them more stable - less tuning drift.

But the downside is that the sounds weren't as rich because the new oscillators didn't drift slightly like the old ones, giving a fatter and (some say better) sound.

Another more important issue is whether the keyboard was ever sawed off from the electronics.
Some 'late 80's/early 90's hipster-morons' used to saw off the keyboard and rack mount the electronic portion (what they thought was hot-rodding it to make it look more contemporary.) What they really did was just damage everything by changing the way cool air could circulate under the electronics.

The old vs newer oscillator cards / rackmounted units were big issues back when I got mine.

I'm not sure if it influences price / desirability these days.

But it is something to be aware of.


You can tell from the back of the Minimoog whether you have the old or new oscillator cards.

There are holes directly behind the oscillators that you stick a Phillips screwdriver in to tune them. It's fairly straightforward to do.

The old ones have a more haphazard hole arrangement for the octave /pitch tuning.
On the post-1976 ones are the holes all nicely lined up.

Minimoogs are fairly easy to get fixed because they are made from simple parts and electronics. In fact, the Minimoogs of the 70's will be around a lot longer than many chip based 80's synths because of simpler parts.

It's probably best to Google about all this and that way you can make an informed decision before agreeing to a price.


Chris

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

Someone local to me is selling a minimoog. I admit I am tempted. He doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary about. Yes, we're quite a team.

What are they generally being sold for these days?

What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)

Mike

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>
> Hi Mike, 
> 
> 
> Agree with all the comments made so far, I add my ten penn'orth as I am in the UK like yourself.
> 
> Bought mine in 2006 off eBay and paid £1650. It's a 1974 model (date is on the test ticket which on mine is glued onto the bottom of the pop-up metal box).
> 
> I've had 2 issues since then
> (1) power supply failure (diode burned out in the bridge rectifier) - I think this was caused by the 2 aged PSU capacitors which I should have replaced when I bought it really. Swapped them out and replaced all 4 diodes in the bridge, £3 for the bits from maplin :-)
> 
> (2) wacky tuning - just oxidised contacts in the multi pin plugs which connect the keyboard and the pitch/ mod wheel assemblies. You could clean them but I just replaced them with gold plated 'Trident' connectors which I am used to using professionally - sorted.
> 
> Overall I wouldn't be too scared to take the plunge as they sound f***ing amazing and as Chris says are built from standard parts which should be around for some time to come. 
> 
> And they look nice sat on top of a Mellotron. Now where's my gold cape :-o  ?
> 
> cheers Paul M.
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Chris Dale 
>   To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:22 AM
>   Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> 
> 
>     
> 
>   Mike,
> 
>   Gary is 100% right about the $2000.00 price for a Minimoog especially in this economy. Sometimes they might be a little more now ($3000) depending on some variables.
> 
> 
>   The biggest issue with them is the oscillator tuning and whether this matters a lot to you.
> 
>   When I got my Minimoog (back in 1990)  people were paying more for the ones with the original oscillator cards (in serial numbers below 10000 I believe).
> 
>   Those were supposed to sound just like the modular Moogs, (hence the name mini-moog).
> 
>   In 1976 Norlin music (which took over Robert Moog's company) changed the oscillator boards and made them more stable - less tuning drift.
> 
>   But the downside is that the sounds weren't as rich because the new oscillators didn't drift slightly like the old ones, giving a fatter and (some say better) sound.
> 
>   Another more important issue is whether the keyboard was ever sawed off from the electronics. 
>   Some 'late 80's/early 90's hipster-morons' used to saw off the keyboard and rack mount the electronic portion (what they thought was hot-rodding it to make it look more contemporary.)  What they really did was just damage everything by changing the way cool air could circulate under the electronics.
> 
>   The old vs newer oscillator cards / rackmounted units were big issues back when I got mine. 
> 
>   I'm not sure if it influences price / desirability these days. 
> 
>   But it is something to be aware of. 
> 
> 
>   You can tell from the back of the Minimoog whether you have the old or new oscillator cards.
> 
>   There are holes directly behind the oscillators that you stick a Phillips screwdriver in to tune them. It's fairly straightforward to do.
> 
>   The old ones have a more haphazard hole arrangement for the octave /pitch tuning. 
>   On the post-1976 ones are the holes all nicely lined up.
> 
>   Minimoogs are fairly easy to get fixed because they are made from simple parts and electronics.  In fact, the Minimoogs of the 70's will be around a lot longer than many chip based 80's synths because of simpler parts.
> 
>   It's probably best to Google about all this and that way you can make an informed decision before agreeing to a price.
> 
> 
>   Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> wrote:
> 
>       
>     Someone local to me is selling a minimoog.  I admit I am tempted.  He doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary about.  Yes, we're quite a team.
> 
> 
> 
>     What are they generally being sold for these days?
>     What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)
> 
> 
> 
>     Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
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>
> Hi Mike, 
> 
> 
> Agree with all the comments made so far, I add my ten penn'orth as I am in the UK like yourself.
> 
> Bought mine in 2006 off eBay and paid £1650. It's a 1974 model (date is on the test ticket which on mine is glued onto the bottom of the pop-up metal box).
> 
> I've had 2 issues since then
> (1) power supply failure (diode burned out in the bridge rectifier) - I think this was caused by the 2 aged PSU capacitors which I should have replaced when I bought it really. Swapped them out and replaced all 4 diodes in the bridge, £3 for the bits from maplin :-)
> 
> (2) wacky tuning - just oxidised contacts in the multi pin plugs which connect the keyboard and the pitch/ mod wheel assemblies. You could clean them but I just replaced them with gold plated 'Trident' connectors which I am used to using professionally - sorted.
> 
> Overall I wouldn't be too scared to take the plunge as they sound f***ing amazing and as Chris says are built from standard parts which should be around for some time to come. 
> 
> And they look nice sat on top of a Mellotron. Now where's my gold cape :-o ?
> 
> cheers Paul M.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Chris Dale 
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Gary is 100% right about the $2000.00 price for a Minimoog especially in this economy. Sometimes they might be a little more now ($3000) depending on some variables.
> 
> 
> The biggest issue with them is the oscillator tuning and whether this matters a lot to you.
> 
> When I got my Minimoog (back in 1990) people were paying more for the ones with the original oscillator cards (in serial numbers below 10000 I believe).
> 
> Those were supposed to sound just like the modular Moogs, (hence the name mini-moog).
> 
> In 1976 Norlin music (which took over Robert Moog's company) changed the oscillator boards and made them more stable - less tuning drift.
> 
> But the downside is that the sounds weren't as rich because the new oscillators didn't drift slightly like the old ones, giving a fatter and (some say better) sound.
> 
> Another more important issue is whether the keyboard was ever sawed off from the electronics. 
> Some 'late 80's/early 90's hipster-morons' used to saw off the keyboard and rack mount the electronic portion (what they thought was hot-rodding it to make it look more contemporary.) What they really did was just damage everything by changing the way cool air could circulate under the electronics.
> 
> The old vs newer oscillator cards / rackmounted units were big issues back when I got mine. 
> 
> I'm not sure if it influences price / desirability these days. 
> 
> But it is something to be aware of. 
> 
> 
> You can tell from the back of the Minimoog whether you have the old or new oscillator cards.
> 
> There are holes directly behind the oscillators that you stick a Phillips screwdriver in to tune them. It's fairly straightforward to do.
> 
> The old ones have a more haphazard hole arrangement for the octave /pitch tuning. 
> On the post-1976 ones are the holes all nicely lined up.
> 
> Minimoogs are fairly easy to get fixed because they are made from simple parts and electronics. In fact, the Minimoogs of the 70's will be around a lot longer than many chip based 80's synths because of simpler parts.
> 
> It's probably best to Google about all this and that way you can make an informed decision before agreeing to a price.
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Someone local to me is selling a minimoog. I admit I am tempted. He doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary about. Yes, we're quite a team.
> 
> 
> 
> What are they generally being sold for these days?
> What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)
> 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>
> Play it, some sound like test equipment, no funk at all.
> £ 1250  is a fair price if in good condition it goes up and down according
> to quality. If well kept a lot more.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Andy Kinch <kinchmusic@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > **And can be bought for half the price! [image: ;-)]
> >
> > Andy Kinch
> > kinchmusic@...
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@...>
> > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:48
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> >
> >
> >  Other options - Get a new little phatty (stage or slim) There are many
> > good reasons to go for a new one and only one reason to buy an old one.
> > http://www.moogmusic.com/products/phattys/slim-phatty Some people think
> > the old mini Moog sounds more analog or more gritty or more something...
> > The new ones sound FAB to me. The interface is the same on all of the
> > Phatty's and it's beautiful. A breeze to figure out.
> >
> > For an instant erection, check out the white ones!
> >
> > Clay
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Marshall" <paulm@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > >
> > > Agree with all the comments made so far, I add my ten penn'orth as I am
> > in the UK like yourself.
> > >
> > > Bought mine in 2006 off eBay and paid £1650. It's a 1974 model (date is
> > on the test ticket which on mine is glued onto the bottom of the pop-up
> > metal box).
> > >
> > > I've had 2 issues since then
> > > (1) power supply failure (diode burned out in the bridge rectifier) - I
> > think this was caused by the 2 aged PSU capacitors which I should have
> > replaced when I bought it really. Swapped them out and replaced all 4
> > diodes in the bridge, £3 for the bits from maplin :-)
> > >
> > > (2) wacky tuning - just oxidised contacts in the multi pin plugs which
> > connect the keyboard and the pitch/ mod wheel assemblies. You could clean
> > them but I just replaced them with gold plated 'Trident' connectors which I
> > am used to using professionally - sorted.
> > >
> > > Overall I wouldn't be too scared to take the plunge as they sound
> > f***ing amazing and as Chris says are built from standard parts which
> > should be around for some time to come.
> > >
> > > And they look nice sat on top of a Mellotron. Now where's my gold cape
> > :-o ?
> > >
> > > cheers Paul M.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Chris Dale
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:22 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > Gary is 100% right about the $2000.00 price for a Minimoog especially in
> > this economy. Sometimes they might be a little more now ($3000) depending
> > on some variables.
> > >
> > >
> > > The biggest issue with them is the oscillator tuning and whether this
> > matters a lot to you.
> > >
> > > When I got my Minimoog (back in 1990) people were paying more for the
> > ones with the original oscillator cards (in serial numbers below 10000 I
> > believe).
> > >
> > > Those were supposed to sound just like the modular Moogs, (hence the
> > name mini-moog).
> > >
> > > In 1976 Norlin music (which took over Robert Moog's company) changed the
> > oscillator boards and made them more stable - less tuning drift.
> > >
> > > But the downside is that the sounds weren't as rich because the new
> > oscillators didn't drift slightly like the old ones, giving a fatter and
> > (some say better) sound.
> > >
> > > Another more important issue is whether the keyboard was ever sawed off
> > from the electronics.
> > > Some 'late 80's/early 90's hipster-morons' used to saw off the keyboard
> > and rack mount the electronic portion (what they thought was hot-rodding it
> > to make it look more contemporary.) What they really did was just damage
> > everything by changing the way cool air could circulate under the
> > electronics.
> > >
> > > The old vs newer oscillator cards / rackmounted units were big issues
> > back when I got mine.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if it influences price / desirability these days.
> > >
> > > But it is something to be aware of.
> > >
> > >
> > > You can tell from the back of the Minimoog whether you have the old or
> > new oscillator cards.
> > >
> > > There are holes directly behind the oscillators that you stick a
> > Phillips screwdriver in to tune them. It's fairly straightforward to do.
> > >
> > > The old ones have a more haphazard hole arrangement for the octave
> > /pitch tuning.
> > > On the post-1976 ones are the holes all nicely lined up.
> > >
> > > Minimoogs are fairly easy to get fixed because they are made from simple
> > parts and electronics. In fact, the Minimoogs of the 70's will be around a
> > lot longer than many chip based 80's synths because of simpler parts.
> > >
> > > It's probably best to Google about all this and that way you can make an
> > informed decision before agreeing to a price.
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Someone local to me is selling a minimoog. I admit I am tempted. He
> > doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary
> > about. Yes, we're quite a team.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What are they generally being sold for these days?
> > > What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are
> > they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot
> > even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
> Other options - Get a new little phatty (stage or slim)  There are many good reasons to go for a new one and only one reason to buy an old one. http://www.moogmusic.com/products/phattys/slim-phatty  Some people think the old mini Moog sounds more analog or more gritty or more something...  The new ones sound FAB to me.  The interface is the same on all of the Phatty's and it's beautiful.  A breeze to figure out.  
> 
> For an instant erection, check out the white ones!
> 
> Clay  
> 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Marshall" <paulm@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike, 
> > 
> > 
> > Agree with all the comments made so far, I add my ten penn'orth as I am in the UK like yourself.
> > 
> > Bought mine in 2006 off eBay and paid £1650. It's a 1974 model (date is on the test ticket which on mine is glued onto the bottom of the pop-up metal box).
> > 
> > I've had 2 issues since then
> > (1) power supply failure (diode burned out in the bridge rectifier) - I think this was caused by the 2 aged PSU capacitors which I should have replaced when I bought it really. Swapped them out and replaced all 4 diodes in the bridge, £3 for the bits from maplin :-)
> > 
> > (2) wacky tuning - just oxidised contacts in the multi pin plugs which connect the keyboard and the pitch/ mod wheel assemblies. You could clean them but I just replaced them with gold plated 'Trident' connectors which I am used to using professionally - sorted.
> > 
> > Overall I wouldn't be too scared to take the plunge as they sound f***ing amazing and as Chris says are built from standard parts which should be around for some time to come. 
> > 
> > And they look nice sat on top of a Mellotron. Now where's my gold cape :-o  ?
> > 
> > cheers Paul M.
> > 
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Chris Dale 
> >   To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:22 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > 
> > 
> >     
> > 
> >   Mike,
> > 
> >   Gary is 100% right about the $2000.00 price for a Minimoog especially in this economy. Sometimes they might be a little more now ($3000) depending on some variables.
> > 
> > 
> >   The biggest issue with them is the oscillator tuning and whether this matters a lot to you.
> > 
> >   When I got my Minimoog (back in 1990)  people were paying more for the ones with the original oscillator cards (in serial numbers below 10000 I believe).
> > 
> >   Those were supposed to sound just like the modular Moogs, (hence the name mini-moog).
> > 
> >   In 1976 Norlin music (which took over Robert Moog's company) changed the oscillator boards and made them more stable - less tuning drift.
> > 
> >   But the downside is that the sounds weren't as rich because the new oscillators didn't drift slightly like the old ones, giving a fatter and (some say better) sound.
> > 
> >   Another more important issue is whether the keyboard was ever sawed off from the electronics. 
> >   Some 'late 80's/early 90's hipster-morons' used to saw off the keyboard and rack mount the electronic portion (what they thought was hot-rodding it to make it look more contemporary.)  What they really did was just damage everything by changing the way cool air could circulate under the electronics.
> > 
> >   The old vs newer oscillator cards / rackmounted units were big issues back when I got mine. 
> > 
> >   I'm not sure if it influences price / desirability these days. 
> > 
> >   But it is something to be aware of. 
> > 
> > 
> >   You can tell from the back of the Minimoog whether you have the old or new oscillator cards.
> > 
> >   There are holes directly behind the oscillators that you stick a Phillips screwdriver in to tune them. It's fairly straightforward to do.
> > 
> >   The old ones have a more haphazard hole arrangement for the octave /pitch tuning. 
> >   On the post-1976 ones are the holes all nicely lined up.
> > 
> >   Minimoogs are fairly easy to get fixed because they are made from simple parts and electronics.  In fact, the Minimoogs of the 70's will be around a lot longer than many chip based 80's synths because of simpler parts.
> > 
> >   It's probably best to Google about all this and that way you can make an informed decision before agreeing to a price.
> > 
> > 
> >   Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> > 
> >       
> >     Someone local to me is selling a minimoog.  I admit I am tempted.  He doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary about.  Yes, we're quite a team.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     What are they generally being sold for these days?
> >     What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs


 
Mike

If you go for it (I recommend, FWIW), I’ve got a good tech guy down south (Bedford). Our Mark Wallis is another Man Who Knows.

Andy T.


Someone local to me is selling a minimoog.  I admit I am tempted.  He doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary about.  Yes, we're quite a team. 

What are they generally being sold for these days?
What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)


Mike

>
> In a general sense, your point is correct (about those keys being overpriced) for 95% of the user population. And the same thing can be said for everything from automobiles to Mellotrons. I have not played the Phatty and have no interest, since I have a Voyager Signature. I do know that no amount to patching on my Dotcom will ever produce the fat sound one can get from the Voyager. Close, but not the same. And Minimoog (classic) aficionados will argue the Voyagers don't match a finely maintained Minimoog. If I didn't own a Mellotron, I would probably buy a 4000D from Markus and be quite happy, but I wouldn't kid myself that this would ever be a real Tron. The last point about the Moog is build quality. Pretty damn good in my opinion. It weighs quite a bit, and has a real steel enclosure. If anyone reads Stereo Review, I ask, would you pay $240,000 for two mono-block amps? Clearly somebody does. (Not I). Happy Thanksgiving.
> John
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> 
> 
> 
> The Minimoog Voyager Performer Edition and the Minimoog Voyager Old School both seem over priced to me, considering the Little Phatty slim is $849.00. All you need is a controller keyboard with good mod and pitch wheels. If you don't already have a good controller keyboard, the Little Phatty stage edition makes sense - Good value there too.
> 
> Clay
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, gino wong <wonggster@<mailto:wonggster@>> wrote:
> >
> > Play it, some sound like test equipment, no funk at all.
> > £ 1250 is a fair price if in good condition it goes up and down according
> > to quality. If well kept a lot more.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Andy Kinch <kinchmusic@<mailto:kinchmusic@>> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > **And can be bought for half the price! [image: ;-)]
> > >
> > > Andy Kinch
> > > kinchmusic@
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@<mailto:ecclesreinson@>>
> > > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:48
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > >
> > >
> > > Other options - Get a new little phatty (stage or slim) There are many
> > > good reasons to go for a new one and only one reason to buy an old one.
> > > http://www.moogmusic.com/products/phattys/slim-phatty Some people think
> > > the old mini Moog sounds more analog or more gritty or more something...
> > > The new ones sound FAB to me. The interface is the same on all of the
> > > Phatty's and it's beautiful. A breeze to figure out.
> > >
> > > For an instant erection, check out the white ones!
> > >
> > > Clay
> > >
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, "Paul Marshall" <paulm@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Agree with all the comments made so far, I add my ten penn'orth as I am
> > > in the UK like yourself.
> > > >
> > > > Bought mine in 2006 off eBay and paid £1650. It's a 1974 model (date is
> > > on the test ticket which on mine is glued onto the bottom of the pop-up
> > > metal box).
> > > >
> > > > I've had 2 issues since then
> > > > (1) power supply failure (diode burned out in the bridge rectifier) - I
> > > think this was caused by the 2 aged PSU capacitors which I should have
> > > replaced when I bought it really. Swapped them out and replaced all 4
> > > diodes in the bridge, £3 for the bits from maplin :-)
> > > >
> > > > (2) wacky tuning - just oxidised contacts in the multi pin plugs which
> > > connect the keyboard and the pitch/ mod wheel assemblies. You could clean
> > > them but I just replaced them with gold plated 'Trident' connectors which I
> > > am used to using professionally - sorted.
> > > >
> > > > Overall I wouldn't be too scared to take the plunge as they sound
> > > f***ing amazing and as Chris says are built from standard parts which
> > > should be around for some time to come.
> > > >
> > > > And they look nice sat on top of a Mellotron. Now where's my gold cape
> > > :-o ?
> > > >
> > > > cheers Paul M.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Chris Dale
> > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:22 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > Gary is 100% right about the $2000.00 price for a Minimoog especially in
> > > this economy. Sometimes they might be a little more now ($3000) depending
> > > on some variables.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The biggest issue with them is the oscillator tuning and whether this
> > > matters a lot to you.
> > > >
> > > > When I got my Minimoog (back in 1990) people were paying more for the
> > > ones with the original oscillator cards (in serial numbers below 10000 I
> > > believe).
> > > >
> > > > Those were supposed to sound just like the modular Moogs, (hence the
> > > name mini-moog).
> > > >
> > > > In 1976 Norlin music (which took over Robert Moog's company) changed the
> > > oscillator boards and made them more stable - less tuning drift.
> > > >
> > > > But the downside is that the sounds weren't as rich because the new
> > > oscillators didn't drift slightly like the old ones, giving a fatter and
> > > (some say better) sound.
> > > >
> > > > Another more important issue is whether the keyboard was ever sawed off
> > > from the electronics.
> > > > Some 'late 80's/early 90's hipster-morons' used to saw off the keyboard
> > > and rack mount the electronic portion (what they thought was hot-rodding it
> > > to make it look more contemporary.) What they really did was just damage
> > > everything by changing the way cool air could circulate under the
> > > electronics.
> > > >
> > > > The old vs newer oscillator cards / rackmounted units were big issues
> > > back when I got mine.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if it influences price / desirability these days.
> > > >
> > > > But it is something to be aware of.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can tell from the back of the Minimoog whether you have the old or
> > > new oscillator cards.
> > > >
> > > > There are holes directly behind the oscillators that you stick a
> > > Phillips screwdriver in to tune them. It's fairly straightforward to do.
> > > >
> > > > The old ones have a more haphazard hole arrangement for the octave
> > > /pitch tuning.
> > > > On the post-1976 ones are the holes all nicely lined up.
> > > >
> > > > Minimoogs are fairly easy to get fixed because they are made from simple
> > > parts and electronics. In fact, the Minimoogs of the 70's will be around a
> > > lot longer than many chip based 80's synths because of simpler parts.
> > > >
> > > > It's probably best to Google about all this and that way you can make an
> > > informed decision before agreeing to a price.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Someone local to me is selling a minimoog. I admit I am tempted. He
> > > doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary
> > > about. Yes, we're quite a team.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What are they generally being sold for these days?
> > > > What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are
> > > they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot
> > > even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > signature database 7703 (20121117) __________
> > > >
> > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.eset.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> > > signature database 7703 (20121117) __________
> > > >
> > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.eset.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *
> > *
> > *Gino Wong Birgelo*
> > BSComm, BSEE,
> > ReRED Recording, *Analog Sound Design*
> > *Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics*
> >
> > *Ginowong@*<mailto:*Ginowong@*>
> > *
> > *
> >
>

From: _tron400@yahoo.com_ (mailto:tron400@yahoo.com) 
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:33:29 +0000   
 

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic:  minimoogs


 
John,

Do you have a Q150 filter in your Dotcom? I don't have a  Minimoog to 
compare it to, but my Q150 does a pretty convincing job of  imitating the Moog 
filters I've heard on recordings. There are also 3rd  party filters that some 
people claim do an even better job than the  Q150.

An interesting trick I've found with the Q106 is to put the  range selector 
half-way between the Low and the 32' markings to drop an  octave lower than 
the oscillator is normally capable of.

Bernie  

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , John Hammaren  <hammaren@...> wrote:
>
> In a general sense, your point  is correct (about those keys being 
overpriced) for 95% of the user  population. And the same thing can be said for 
everything from automobiles  to Mellotrons. I have not played the Phatty and 
have no interest, since I  have a Voyager Signature. I do know that no amount 
to patching on my Dotcom  will ever produce the fat sound one can get from 
the Voyager. Close, but not  the same. And Minimoog (classic) aficionados 
will argue the Voyagers don't  match a finely maintained Minimoog. If I didn't 
own a Mellotron, I would  probably buy a 4000D from Markus and be quite 
happy, but I wouldn't kid  myself that this would ever be a real Tron. The last 
point about the Moog is  build quality. Pretty damn good in my opinion. It 
weighs quite a bit, and  has a real steel enclosure. If anyone reads Stereo 
Review, I ask, would you  pay $240,000 for two mono-block amps? Clearly 
somebody does. (Not I). Happy  Thanksgiving.
> John
> 
> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of  ClayE
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> Subject:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> 
>  
> 
> The Minimoog Voyager Performer Edition and the Minimoog  Voyager Old 
School both seem over priced to me, considering the Little  Phatty slim is 
$849.00. All you need is a controller keyboard with good mod  and pitch wheels. 
If you don't already have a good controller keyboard, the  Little Phatty 
stage edition makes sense - Good value there too.
>  
> Clay
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com) >, gino wong  <wonggster@<mailto:_wonggster@_ 
(mailto:wonggster@) >> wrote:
> >
> > Play  it, some sound like test equipment, no funk at all.
> > £ 1250 is a  fair price if in good condition it goes up and down 
according
> >  to quality. If well kept a lot more.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov  18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Andy Kinch 
<kinchmusic@<mailto:_kinchmusic@_ (mailto:kinchmusic@) >> wrote:
> >
> > >  **
> > >
> > >
> > > **And can be bought  for half the price! [image: ;-)]
> > >
> > > Andy  Kinch
> > > kinchmusic@
> > >
> >  >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:  ClayE <ecclesreinson@<mailto:_ecclesreinson@_ 
(mailto:ecclesreinson@) >>
> > > To:  newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
<mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com) >>
> >  > Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:48
> > > Subject:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> >  >
> > >
> > > Other options - Get a new little  phatty (stage or slim) There are 
many
> > > good reasons to go  for a new one and only one reason to buy an old 
one.
> > > _http://www.moogmusic.com/products/phattys/slim-phatty_ 
(http://www.moogmusic.com/products/phattys/slim-phatty)  Some  people think
> > > the old mini Moog sounds more analog or more  gritty or more 
something...
> > > The new ones sound FAB to me.  The interface is the same on all of the
> > > Phatty's and it's  beautiful. A breeze to figure out.
> > >
> > > For  an instant erection, check out the white ones!
> > >
>  > > Clay
> > >
> > > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com) >, "Paul Marshall"  <paulm@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> >  > > Hi Mike,
> > > >
> > > >
>  > > > Agree with all the comments made so far, I add my ten  penn'orth 
as I am
> > > in the UK like yourself.
> >  > >
> > > > Bought mine in 2006 off eBay and paid  £1650. It's a 1974 model 
(date is
> > > on the test ticket which  on mine is glued onto the bottom of the 
pop-up
> > > metal  box).
> > > >
> > > > I've had 2 issues since  then
> > > > (1) power supply failure (diode burned out in  the bridge 
rectifier) - I
> > > think this was caused by the 2  aged PSU capacitors which I should 
have
> > > replaced when I  bought it really. Swapped them out and replaced all 4
> > >  diodes in the bridge, £3 for the bits from maplin :-)
> > >  >
> > > > (2) wacky tuning - just oxidised contacts in the  multi pin plugs 
which
> > > connect the keyboard and the pitch/  mod wheel assemblies. You could 
clean
> > > them but I just  replaced them with gold plated 'Trident' connectors 
which I
> >  > am used to using professionally - sorted.
> > >  >
> > > > Overall I wouldn't be too scared to take the  plunge as they sound
> > > f***ing amazing and as Chris says are  built from standard parts which
> > > should be around for some  time to come.
> > > >
> > > > And they look  nice sat on top of a Mellotron. Now where's my gold 
cape
> > >  :-o ?
> > > >
> > > > cheers Paul M.
>  > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > > From: Chris Dale
> > > > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com) >
> > >  > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:22 AM
> > > > Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > >  >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >  >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > >  > Gary is 100% right about the $2000.00 price for a Minimoog 
especially  in
> > > this economy. Sometimes they might be a little more now  ($3000) 
depending
> > > on some variables.
> > >  >
> > > >
> > > > The biggest issue with  them is the oscillator tuning and whether 
this
> > > matters a  lot to you.
> > > >
> > > > When I got my  Minimoog (back in 1990) people were paying more for 
the
> > >  ones with the original oscillator cards (in serial numbers below 
10000  I
> > > believe).
> > > >
> > > >  Those were supposed to sound just like the modular Moogs, (hence 
the
>  > > name mini-moog).
> > > >
> > > > In  1976 Norlin music (which took over Robert Moog's company) 
changed  the
> > > oscillator boards and made them more stable - less  tuning drift.
> > > >
> > > > But the downside  is that the sounds weren't as rich because the new
> > >  oscillators didn't drift slightly like the old ones, giving a fatter 
 and
> > > (some say better) sound.
> > >  >
> > > > Another more important issue is whether the  keyboard was ever 
sawed off
> > > from the electronics.
>  > > > Some 'late 80's/early 90's hipster-morons' used to saw off  the 
keyboard
> > > and rack mount the electronic portion (what  they thought was 
hot-rodding it
> > > to make it look more  contemporary.) What they really did was just 
damage
> > >  everything by changing the way cool air could circulate under the
>  > > electronics.
> > > >
> > > > The old  vs newer oscillator cards / rackmounted units were big 
issues
> >  > back when I got mine.
> > > >
> > > > I'm  not sure if it influences price / desirability these days.
> > >  >
> > > > But it is something to be aware of.
> >  > >
> > > >
> > > > You can tell from  the back of the Minimoog whether you have the 
old or
> > > new  oscillator cards.
> > > >
> > > > There are  holes directly behind the oscillators that you stick a
> > >  Phillips screwdriver in to tune them. It's fairly straightforward to 
 do.
> > > >
> > > > The old ones have a more  haphazard hole arrangement for the octave
> > > /pitch  tuning.
> > > > On the post-1976 ones are the holes all  nicely lined up.
> > > >
> > > > Minimoogs are  fairly easy to get fixed because they are made from 
simple
> > >  parts and electronics. In fact, the Minimoogs of the 70's will be 
around  a
> > > lot longer than many chip based 80's synths because of  simpler parts.
> > > >
> > > > It's probably  best to Google about all this and that way you can 
make an
> > >  informed decision before agreeing to a price.
> > > >
>  > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
>  > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >  > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >  > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Someone local to me is selling a minimoog. I admit I am tempted. He
>  > > doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should  be 
wary
> > > about. Yes, we're quite a team.
> > >  >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  What are they generally being sold for these days?
> > > >  What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy  
are
> > > they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in  the UK - you 
cannot
> > > even get a Hammond fixed without grief  round here)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >  >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > >  >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >  >
> > > >
> > > > __________ Information  from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> > > signature  database 7703 (20121117) __________
> > > >
> > >  > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
> > >  >
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>  > > >
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> >  >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>  >
> > --
> > *
> > *
> > *Gino Wong  Birgelo*
> > BSComm, BSEE,
> > ReRED Recording, *Analog  Sound Design*
> > *Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration,  Logistics*
> >
> >  *Ginowong@*<mailto:*Ginowong@*>
> > *
> > *
>  >
>





















-- 


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BSComm,  BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering,  Recording & Restoration, Logistics


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>
> Bernie,
> 
> Forgive my seeming confusion. I have no idea how that tangent started. The result of just getting over the flu. In any case, the Q106 is a fine filter, it's just not a Moog, IMHO. I do feel the oscillator Q-150 vs Moog or MOTM does its own part in the fatness equation, since I did run the MOTM through a 106 as well as the Q150 and the MOTM won that contest. So, anyway, in case you wondered what I was smoking - it was just my bad read of your note.
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 8:33 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> 
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> Do you have a Q150 filter in your Dotcom? I don't have a Minimoog to compare it to, but my Q150 does a pretty convincing job of imitating the Moog filters I've heard on recordings. There are also 3rd party filters that some people claim do an even better job than the Q150.
> 
> An interesting trick I've found with the Q106 is to put the range selector half-way between the Low and the 32' markings to drop an octave lower than the oscillator is normally capable of.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, John Hammaren <hammaren@<mailto:hammaren@>> wrote:
> >
> > In a general sense, your point is correct (about those keys being overpriced) for 95% of the user population. And the same thing can be said for everything from automobiles to Mellotrons. I have not played the Phatty and have no interest, since I have a Voyager Signature. I do know that no amount to patching on my Dotcom will ever produce the fat sound one can get from the Voyager. Close, but not the same. And Minimoog (classic) aficionados will argue the Voyagers don't match a finely maintained Minimoog. If I didn't own a Mellotron, I would probably buy a 4000D from Markus and be quite happy, but I wouldn't kid myself that this would ever be a real Tron. The last point about the Moog is build quality. Pretty damn good in my opinion. It weighs quite a bit, and has a real steel enclosure. If anyone reads Stereo Review, I ask, would you pay $240,000 for two mono-block amps? Clearly somebody does. (Not I). Happy Thanksgiving.
> > John
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:25 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> >
> >
> >
> > The Minimoog Voyager Performer Edition and the Minimoog Voyager Old School both seem over priced to me, considering the Little Phatty slim is $849.00. All you need is a controller keyboard with good mod and pitch wheels. If you don't already have a good controller keyboard, the Little Phatty stage edition makes sense - Good value there too.
> >
> > Clay
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, gino wong <wonggster@<mailto:wonggster@>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Play it, some sound like test equipment, no funk at all.
> > > £ 1250 is a fair price if in good condition it goes up and down according
> > > to quality. If well kept a lot more.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Andy Kinch <kinchmusic@<mailto:kinchmusic@>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > **And can be bought for half the price! [image: ;-)]
> > > >
> > > > Andy Kinch
> > > > kinchmusic@
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@<mailto:ecclesreinson@>>
> > > > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:48
> > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Other options - Get a new little phatty (stage or slim) There are many
> > > > good reasons to go for a new one and only one reason to buy an old one.
> > > > http://www.moogmusic.com/products/phattys/slim-phatty Some people think
> > > > the old mini Moog sounds more analog or more gritty or more something...
> > > > The new ones sound FAB to me. The interface is the same on all of the
> > > > Phatty's and it's beautiful. A breeze to figure out.
> > > >
> > > > For an instant erection, check out the white ones!
> > > >
> > > > Clay
> > > >
> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, "Paul Marshall" <paulm@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Agree with all the comments made so far, I add my ten penn'orth as I am
> > > > in the UK like yourself.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bought mine in 2006 off eBay and paid £1650. It's a 1974 model (date is
> > > > on the test ticket which on mine is glued onto the bottom of the pop-up
> > > > metal box).
> > > > >
> > > > > I've had 2 issues since then
> > > > > (1) power supply failure (diode burned out in the bridge rectifier) - I
> > > > think this was caused by the 2 aged PSU capacitors which I should have
> > > > replaced when I bought it really. Swapped them out and replaced all 4
> > > > diodes in the bridge, £3 for the bits from maplin :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > (2) wacky tuning - just oxidised contacts in the multi pin plugs which
> > > > connect the keyboard and the pitch/ mod wheel assemblies. You could clean
> > > > them but I just replaced them with gold plated 'Trident' connectors which I
> > > > am used to using professionally - sorted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall I wouldn't be too scared to take the plunge as they sound
> > > > f***ing amazing and as Chris says are built from standard parts which
> > > > should be around for some time to come.
> > > > >
> > > > > And they look nice sat on top of a Mellotron. Now where's my gold cape
> > > > :-o ?
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers Paul M.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Chris Dale
> > > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:22 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > Gary is 100% right about the $2000.00 price for a Minimoog especially in
> > > > this economy. Sometimes they might be a little more now ($3000) depending
> > > > on some variables.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The biggest issue with them is the oscillator tuning and whether this
> > > > matters a lot to you.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I got my Minimoog (back in 1990) people were paying more for the
> > > > ones with the original oscillator cards (in serial numbers below 10000 I
> > > > believe).
> > > > >
> > > > > Those were supposed to sound just like the modular Moogs, (hence the
> > > > name mini-moog).
> > > > >
> > > > > In 1976 Norlin music (which took over Robert Moog's company) changed the
> > > > oscillator boards and made them more stable - less tuning drift.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the downside is that the sounds weren't as rich because the new
> > > > oscillators didn't drift slightly like the old ones, giving a fatter and
> > > > (some say better) sound.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another more important issue is whether the keyboard was ever sawed off
> > > > from the electronics.
> > > > > Some 'late 80's/early 90's hipster-morons' used to saw off the keyboard
> > > > and rack mount the electronic portion (what they thought was hot-rodding it
> > > > to make it look more contemporary.) What they really did was just damage
> > > > everything by changing the way cool air could circulate under the
> > > > electronics.
> > > > >
> > > > > The old vs newer oscillator cards / rackmounted units were big issues
> > > > back when I got mine.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure if it influences price / desirability these days.
> > > > >
> > > > > But it is something to be aware of.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You can tell from the back of the Minimoog whether you have the old or
> > > > new oscillator cards.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are holes directly behind the oscillators that you stick a
> > > > Phillips screwdriver in to tune them. It's fairly straightforward to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > The old ones have a more haphazard hole arrangement for the octave
> > > > /pitch tuning.
> > > > > On the post-1976 ones are the holes all nicely lined up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Minimoogs are fairly easy to get fixed because they are made from simple
> > > > parts and electronics. In fact, the Minimoogs of the 70's will be around a
> > > > lot longer than many chip based 80's synths because of simpler parts.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's probably best to Google about all this and that way you can make an
> > > > informed decision before agreeing to a price.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone local to me is selling a minimoog. I admit I am tempted. He
> > > > doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary
> > > > about. Yes, we're quite a team.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What are they generally being sold for these days?
> > > > > What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are
> > > > they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot
> > > > even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *Gino Wong Birgelo*
> > > BSComm, BSEE,
> > > ReRED Recording, *Analog Sound Design*
> > > *Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics*
> > >
> > > *Ginowong@*<mailto:*Ginowong@*>
> > > *
> > > *
> > >
> >
>

>
> Okay, I think my Dotcom dyslexia is fixed following my re-read of my previous posts. A senior moment indeed for anyone who actually read and understood the backwards references to Q-dom. In any case (I went and looked - (3) Q-150s, (5)Q107s - they started cropping up used a few years back and I got this idea for a formant filter. A 142 space example of Dotcom addiction that abated finally a few years ago. I actually like the Q107 on its own. The MOTM modules will work quite nicely in the Dotcom with a little gizmo SynthTech sells (actually Bridechamber now sells their stuff now). Nothing more than a regulator on a postage stamp board. Easy peezy, 'cept for the module widths messing up the screw holes. I totally  agree with you - keep the Dotcom. To be totally candid, my Voyager has been back to the factory twice in its 7 year life - the only two times it has left my house. Not exactly an endorsement of reliability. The Dotcom? A bad keyboard (a dead key). As us Dotcommers all know from others who have had any problems, Roger took care of it - no questions asked. He is one of a kind. I do like the Box-11 - what a great idea. Sorry for off-topic in case some grow bored with this. Hmm, back on topic - this has given me thought to plugging the Tron through the Q150 and EG. Hmm, one last thing - have you seen the 500-series Moog filter announced not long ago? Outrageous price, but I'll bet it cranks.
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:12 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> 
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> If you have more than a few Q150's, your system must be pretty large. I have one Q150, a Q107 and a couple of third party filters in a 55 space system (2 portable cabinets and a Box-11 frame). I've considered replacing the Q107 with another Q150 because I really like the sound, but the Q107 is a different animal. The MOTM needs a different power supply, doesn't it? Since I have no intention of expanding my system, I don't think I want to go that route. I had considered trading the whole thing in on a Voyager, but I like the patching freedom I have.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, John Hammaren <hammaren@<mailto:hammaren@>> wrote:
> >
> > Bernie,
> >
> > Forgive my seeming confusion. I have no idea how that tangent started. The result of just getting over the flu. In any case, the Q106 is a fine filter, it's just not a Moog, IMHO. I do feel the oscillator Q-150 vs Moog or MOTM does its own part in the fatness equation, since I did run the MOTM through a 106 as well as the Q150 and the MOTM won that contest. So, anyway, in case you wondered what I was smoking - it was just my bad read of your note.
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of tron400
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 8:33 AM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> >
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Do you have a Q150 filter in your Dotcom? I don't have a Minimoog to compare it to, but my Q150 does a pretty convincing job of imitating the Moog filters I've heard on recordings. There are also 3rd party filters that some people claim do an even better job than the Q150.
> >
> > An interesting trick I've found with the Q106 is to put the range selector half-way between the Low and the 32' markings to drop an octave lower than the oscillator is normally capable of.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, John Hammaren <hammaren@<mailto:hammaren@>> wrote:
> > >
> > > In a general sense, your point is correct (about those keys being overpriced) for 95% of the user population. And the same thing can be said for everything from automobiles to Mellotrons. I have not played the Phatty and have no interest, since I have a Voyager Signature. I do know that no amount to patching on my Dotcom will ever produce the fat sound one can get from the Voyager. Close, but not the same. And Minimoog (classic) aficionados will argue the Voyagers don't match a finely maintained Minimoog. If I didn't own a Mellotron, I would probably buy a 4000D from Markus and be quite happy, but I wouldn't kid myself that this would ever be a real Tron. The last point about the Moog is build quality. Pretty damn good in my opinion. It weighs quite a bit, and has a real steel enclosure. If anyone reads Stereo Review, I ask, would you pay $240,000 for two mono-block amps? Clearly somebody does. (Not I). Happy Thanksgiving.
> > > John
> > >
> > > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:25 PM
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Minimoog Voyager Performer Edition and the Minimoog Voyager Old School both seem over priced to me, considering the Little Phatty slim is $849.00. All you need is a controller keyboard with good mod and pitch wheels. If you don't already have a good controller keyboard, the Little Phatty stage edition makes sense - Good value there too.
> > >
> > > Clay
> > >
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, gino wong <wonggster@<mailto:wonggster@>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Play it, some sound like test equipment, no funk at all.
> > > > £ 1250 is a fair price if in good condition it goes up and down according
> > > > to quality. If well kept a lot more.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Andy Kinch <kinchmusic@<mailto:kinchmusic@>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > **And can be bought for half the price! [image: ;-)]
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Kinch
> > > > > kinchmusic@
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@<mailto:ecclesreinson@>>
> > > > > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > > Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:48
> > > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Other options - Get a new little phatty (stage or slim) There are many
> > > > > good reasons to go for a new one and only one reason to buy an old one.
> > > > > http://www.moogmusic.com/products/phattys/slim-phatty Some people think
> > > > > the old mini Moog sounds more analog or more gritty or more something...
> > > > > The new ones sound FAB to me. The interface is the same on all of the
> > > > > Phatty's and it's beautiful. A breeze to figure out.
> > > > >
> > > > > For an instant erection, check out the white ones!
> > > > >
> > > > > Clay
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, "Paul Marshall" <paulm@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agree with all the comments made so far, I add my ten penn'orth as I am
> > > > > in the UK like yourself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bought mine in 2006 off eBay and paid £1650. It's a 1974 model (date is
> > > > > on the test ticket which on mine is glued onto the bottom of the pop-up
> > > > > metal box).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've had 2 issues since then
> > > > > > (1) power supply failure (diode burned out in the bridge rectifier) - I
> > > > > think this was caused by the 2 aged PSU capacitors which I should have
> > > > > replaced when I bought it really. Swapped them out and replaced all 4
> > > > > diodes in the bridge, £3 for the bits from maplin :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (2) wacky tuning - just oxidised contacts in the multi pin plugs which
> > > > > connect the keyboard and the pitch/ mod wheel assemblies. You could clean
> > > > > them but I just replaced them with gold plated 'Trident' connectors which I
> > > > > am used to using professionally - sorted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Overall I wouldn't be too scared to take the plunge as they sound
> > > > > f***ing amazing and as Chris says are built from standard parts which
> > > > > should be around for some time to come.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And they look nice sat on top of a Mellotron. Now where's my gold cape
> > > > > :-o ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cheers Paul M.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Chris Dale
> > > > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:22 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gary is 100% right about the $2000.00 price for a Minimoog especially in
> > > > > this economy. Sometimes they might be a little more now ($3000) depending
> > > > > on some variables.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The biggest issue with them is the oscillator tuning and whether this
> > > > > matters a lot to you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I got my Minimoog (back in 1990) people were paying more for the
> > > > > ones with the original oscillator cards (in serial numbers below 10000 I
> > > > > believe).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those were supposed to sound just like the modular Moogs, (hence the
> > > > > name mini-moog).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In 1976 Norlin music (which took over Robert Moog's company) changed the
> > > > > oscillator boards and made them more stable - less tuning drift.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the downside is that the sounds weren't as rich because the new
> > > > > oscillators didn't drift slightly like the old ones, giving a fatter and
> > > > > (some say better) sound.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another more important issue is whether the keyboard was ever sawed off
> > > > > from the electronics.
> > > > > > Some 'late 80's/early 90's hipster-morons' used to saw off the keyboard
> > > > > and rack mount the electronic portion (what they thought was hot-rodding it
> > > > > to make it look more contemporary.) What they really did was just damage
> > > > > everything by changing the way cool air could circulate under the
> > > > > electronics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The old vs newer oscillator cards / rackmounted units were big issues
> > > > > back when I got mine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure if it influences price / desirability these days.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But it is something to be aware of.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can tell from the back of the Minimoog whether you have the old or
> > > > > new oscillator cards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are holes directly behind the oscillators that you stick a
> > > > > Phillips screwdriver in to tune them. It's fairly straightforward to do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The old ones have a more haphazard hole arrangement for the octave
> > > > > /pitch tuning.
> > > > > > On the post-1976 ones are the holes all nicely lined up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Minimoogs are fairly easy to get fixed because they are made from simple
> > > > > parts and electronics. In fact, the Minimoogs of the 70's will be around a
> > > > > lot longer than many chip based 80's synths because of simpler parts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's probably best to Google about all this and that way you can make an
> > > > > informed decision before agreeing to a price.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chris
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Someone local to me is selling a minimoog. I admit I am tempted. He
> > > > > doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary
> > > > > about. Yes, we're quite a team.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are they generally being sold for these days?
> > > > > > What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are
> > > > > they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot
> > > > > even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *Gino Wong Birgelo*
> > > > BSComm, BSEE,
> > > > ReRED Recording, *Analog Sound Design*
> > > > *Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics*
> > > >
> > > > *Ginowong@*<mailto:*Ginowong@*>
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs


  
    
                  

If I may add to the discussion  


For me  a Minimoog is something I need to own before I die, just like the Mellotron underneath it.


gino wong




On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Mark Wallis <markstuartwallis@hotmail.com> wrote:

 
  
    
                  


Mike-

  If it's affordable, bite the guy's hand off even if it's not working perfectly. Old Minimoogs are eminently fixable and it doesn't have to cost a fortune. They're only going to get more expensive.

Andy T-

Thank you sir! :-)

Best Whooshes,

MSWx



To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: tron400@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:33:29 +0000

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs

 
  
    
                  John,

Do you have a Q150 filter in your Dotcom? I don't have a Minimoog to compare it to, but my Q150 does a pretty convincing job of imitating the Moog filters I've heard on recordings. There are also 3rd party filters that some people claim do an even better job than the Q150.

An interesting trick I've found with the Q106 is to put the range selector half-way between the Low and the 32' markings to drop an octave lower than the oscillator is normally capable of.

Bernie 

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, John Hammaren <hammaren@...> wrote:
>
> In a general sense, your point is correct (about those keys being overpriced) for 95% of the user population. And the same thing can be said for everything from automobiles to Mellotrons. I have not played the Phatty and have no interest, since I have a Voyager Signature. I do know that no amount to patching on my Dotcom will ever produce the fat sound one can get from the Voyager. Close, but not the same. And Minimoog (classic) aficionados will argue the Voyagers don't match a finely maintained Minimoog. If I didn't own a Mellotron, I would probably buy a 4000D from Markus and be quite happy, but I wouldn't kid myself that this would ever be a real Tron. The last point about the Moog is build quality. Pretty damn good in my opinion. It weighs quite a bit, and has a real steel enclosure. If anyone reads Stereo Review, I ask, would you pay $240,000 for two mono-block amps? Clearly somebody does. (Not I). Happy Thanksgiving.
> John
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> 
> 
> 
> The Minimoog Voyager Performer Edition and the Minimoog Voyager Old School both seem over priced to me, considering the Little Phatty slim is $849.00. All you need is a controller keyboard with good mod and pitch wheels. If you don't already have a good controller keyboard, the Little Phatty stage edition makes sense - Good value there too.
> 
> Clay
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, gino wong <wonggster@<mailto:wonggster@>> wrote:
> >
> > Play it, some sound like test equipment, no funk at all.
> > £ 1250 is a fair price if in good condition it goes up and down according
> > to quality. If well kept a lot more.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Andy Kinch <kinchmusic@<mailto:kinchmusic@>> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > **And can be bought for half the price! [image: ;-)]
> > >
> > > Andy Kinch
> > > kinchmusic@
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@<mailto:ecclesreinson@>>
> > > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:48
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > >
> > >
> > > Other options - Get a new little phatty (stage or slim) There are many
> > > good reasons to go for a new one and only one reason to buy an old one.
> > > http://www.moogmusic.com/products/phattys/slim-phatty Some people think
> > > the old mini Moog sounds more analog or more gritty or more something...
> > > The new ones sound FAB to me. The interface is the same on all of the
> > > Phatty's and it's beautiful. A breeze to figure out.
> > >
> > > For an instant erection, check out the white ones!
> > >
> > > Clay
> > >
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, "Paul Marshall" <paulm@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Agree with all the comments made so far, I add my ten penn'orth as I am
> > > in the UK like yourself.
> > > >
> > > > Bought mine in 2006 off eBay and paid £1650. It's a 1974 model (date is
> > > on the test ticket which on mine is glued onto the bottom of the pop-up
> > > metal box).
> > > >
> > > > I've had 2 issues since then
> > > > (1) power supply failure (diode burned out in the bridge rectifier) - I
> > > think this was caused by the 2 aged PSU capacitors which I should have
> > > replaced when I bought it really. Swapped them out and replaced all 4
> > > diodes in the bridge, £3 for the bits from maplin :-)
> > > >
> > > > (2) wacky tuning - just oxidised contacts in the multi pin plugs which
> > > connect the keyboard and the pitch/ mod wheel assemblies. You could clean
> > > them but I just replaced them with gold plated 'Trident' connectors which I
> > > am used to using professionally - sorted.
> > > >
> > > > Overall I wouldn't be too scared to take the plunge as they sound
> > > f***ing amazing and as Chris says are built from standard parts which
> > > should be around for some time to come.
> > > >
> > > > And they look nice sat on top of a Mellotron. Now where's my gold cape
> > > :-o ?
> > > >
> > > > cheers Paul M.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Chris Dale
> > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:22 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > Gary is 100% right about the $2000.00 price for a Minimoog especially in
> > > this economy. Sometimes they might be a little more now ($3000) depending
> > > on some variables.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The biggest issue with them is the oscillator tuning and whether this
> > > matters a lot to you.
> > > >
> > > > When I got my Minimoog (back in 1990) people were paying more for the
> > > ones with the original oscillator cards (in serial numbers below 10000 I
> > > believe).
> > > >
> > > > Those were supposed to sound just like the modular Moogs, (hence the
> > > name mini-moog).
> > > >
> > > > In 1976 Norlin music (which took over Robert Moog's company) changed the
> > > oscillator boards and made them more stable - less tuning drift.
> > > >
> > > > But the downside is that the sounds weren't as rich because the new
> > > oscillators didn't drift slightly like the old ones, giving a fatter and
> > > (some say better) sound.
> > > >
> > > > Another more important issue is whether the keyboard was ever sawed off
> > > from the electronics.
> > > > Some 'late 80's/early 90's hipster-morons' used to saw off the keyboard
> > > and rack mount the electronic portion (what they thought was hot-rodding it
> > > to make it look more contemporary.) What they really did was just damage
> > > everything by changing the way cool air could circulate under the
> > > electronics.
> > > >
> > > > The old vs newer oscillator cards / rackmounted units were big issues
> > > back when I got mine.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if it influences price / desirability these days.
> > > >
> > > > But it is something to be aware of.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can tell from the back of the Minimoog whether you have the old or
> > > new oscillator cards.
> > > >
> > > > There are holes directly behind the oscillators that you stick a
> > > Phillips screwdriver in to tune them. It's fairly straightforward to do.
> > > >
> > > > The old ones have a more haphazard hole arrangement for the octave
> > > /pitch tuning.
> > > > On the post-1976 ones are the holes all nicely lined up.
> > > >
> > > > Minimoogs are fairly easy to get fixed because they are made from simple
> > > parts and electronics. In fact, the Minimoogs of the 70's will be around a
> > > lot longer than many chip based 80's synths because of simpler parts.
> > > >
> > > > It's probably best to Google about all this and that way you can make an
> > > informed decision before agreeing to a price.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Someone local to me is selling a minimoog. I admit I am tempted. He
> > > doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary
> > > about. Yes, we're quite a team.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What are they generally being sold for these days?
> > > > What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are
> > > they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot
> > > even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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>
> Bernie ,
> And so do I get lost. Never enough cables. As I said, addiction, although it was something I've thought about since I was a young'un and first listened to Carlos. And I must say for me it defies the old adage 'wanting is better than having'. I know it sounds perhaps trite, but I can stare at the thing with the sequencers rolling for hours. Still satisfying even after 7 years of owning the original 66. BTW, Will does good stuff from STG, and I have a few things, including the Mankato. I know he appears to be a PITA to some in the Dotcom world - another reason to like him. In lieu of the 500 series, the Fooger Lowpass might be interesting and low cost enough to consider breaking out the soldering iron.
> John
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:25 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> 
> 
> 
> I would get lost in a 142 space modular. My modular knowledge pales in comparison to others on the Yahoo Dotcom forum. Wish I could grasp what they're talking about most of the time. If it was in musical terms instead of technical terms, I might have a chance.
> 
> My Dotcom was up to 88 spaces at one time and for me, it was unmanageable. It eventually went down to 22 spaces so I could give my stepdaughter some money for college, but has recently grown a little. I've had to go with some 3rd party modules just to fit the space I have. For instance, a STG Signal Amp is taking the place of 3 Q108's.
> 
> The Moog 500 series is really tempting, but I can't justify spending 3 or 4 times what it costs for any other brand. I'm sure they're really nice, but they are taking advantage of the Moog name to jack up the prices.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, John Hammaren <hammaren@<mailto:hammaren@>> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, I think my Dotcom dyslexia is fixed following my re-read of my previous posts. A senior moment indeed for anyone who actually read and understood the backwards references to Q-dom. In any case (I went and looked - (3) Q-150s, (5)Q107s - they started cropping up used a few years back and I got this idea for a formant filter. A 142 space example of Dotcom addiction that abated finally a few years ago. I actually like the Q107 on its own. The MOTM modules will work quite nicely in the Dotcom with a little gizmo SynthTech sells (actually Bridechamber now sells their stuff now). Nothing more than a regulator on a postage stamp board. Easy peezy, 'cept for the module widths messing up the screw holes. I totally agree with you - keep the Dotcom. To be totally candid, my Voyager has been back to the factory twice in its 7 year life - the only two times it has left my house. Not exactly an endorsement of reliability. The Dotcom? A bad keyboard (a dead key). As us Dotcommers all know from others who have had any problems, Roger took care of it - no questions asked. He is one of a kind. I do like the Box-11 - what a great idea. Sorry for off-topic in case some grow bored with this. Hmm, back on topic - this has given me thought to plugging the Tron through the Q150 and EG. Hmm, one last thing - have you seen the 500-series Moog filter announced not long ago? Outrageous price, but I'll bet it cranks.
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of tron400
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:12 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> >
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > If you have more than a few Q150's, your system must be pretty large. I have one Q150, a Q107 and a couple of third party filters in a 55 space system (2 portable cabinets and a Box-11 frame). I've considered replacing the Q107 with another Q150 because I really like the sound, but the Q107 is a different animal. The MOTM needs a different power supply, doesn't it? Since I have no intention of expanding my system, I don't think I want to go that route. I had considered trading the whole thing in on a Voyager, but I like the patching freedom I have.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, John Hammaren <hammaren@<mailto:hammaren@>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie,
> > >
> > > Forgive my seeming confusion. I have no idea how that tangent started. The result of just getting over the flu. In any case, the Q106 is a fine filter, it's just not a Moog, IMHO. I do feel the oscillator Q-150 vs Moog or MOTM does its own part in the fatness equation, since I did run the MOTM through a 106 as well as the Q150 and the MOTM won that contest. So, anyway, in case you wondered what I was smoking - it was just my bad read of your note.
> > >
> > > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of tron400
> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 8:33 AM
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > Do you have a Q150 filter in your Dotcom? I don't have a Minimoog to compare it to, but my Q150 does a pretty convincing job of imitating the Moog filters I've heard on recordings. There are also 3rd party filters that some people claim do an even better job than the Q150.
> > >
> > > An interesting trick I've found with the Q106 is to put the range selector half-way between the Low and the 32' markings to drop an octave lower than the oscillator is normally capable of.
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, John Hammaren <hammaren@<mailto:hammaren@>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a general sense, your point is correct (about those keys being overpriced) for 95% of the user population. And the same thing can be said for everything from automobiles to Mellotrons. I have not played the Phatty and have no interest, since I have a Voyager Signature. I do know that no amount to patching on my Dotcom will ever produce the fat sound one can get from the Voyager. Close, but not the same. And Minimoog (classic) aficionados will argue the Voyagers don't match a finely maintained Minimoog. If I didn't own a Mellotron, I would probably buy a 4000D from Markus and be quite happy, but I wouldn't kid myself that this would ever be a real Tron. The last point about the Moog is build quality. Pretty damn good in my opinion. It weighs quite a bit, and has a real steel enclosure. If anyone reads Stereo Review, I ask, would you pay $240,000 for two mono-block amps? Clearly somebody does. (Not I). Happy Thanksgiving.
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:25 PM
> > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Minimoog Voyager Performer Edition and the Minimoog Voyager Old School both seem over priced to me, considering the Little Phatty slim is $849.00. All you need is a controller keyboard with good mod and pitch wheels. If you don't already have a good controller keyboard, the Little Phatty stage edition makes sense - Good value there too.
> > > >
> > > > Clay
> > > >
> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, gino wong <wonggster@<mailto:wonggster@>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Play it, some sound like test equipment, no funk at all.
> > > > > £ 1250 is a fair price if in good condition it goes up and down according
> > > > > to quality. If well kept a lot more.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Andy Kinch <kinchmusic@<mailto:kinchmusic@>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > **And can be bought for half the price! [image: ;-)]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Kinch
> > > > > > kinchmusic@
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@<mailto:ecclesreinson@>>
> > > > > > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > > > Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:48
> > > > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other options - Get a new little phatty (stage or slim) There are many
> > > > > > good reasons to go for a new one and only one reason to buy an old one.
> > > > > > http://www.moogmusic.com/products/phattys/slim-phatty Some people think
> > > > > > the old mini Moog sounds more analog or more gritty or more something...
> > > > > > The new ones sound FAB to me. The interface is the same on all of the
> > > > > > Phatty's and it's beautiful. A breeze to figure out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For an instant erection, check out the white ones!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clay
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, "Paul Marshall" <paulm@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Agree with all the comments made so far, I add my ten penn'orth as I am
> > > > > > in the UK like yourself.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bought mine in 2006 off eBay and paid £1650. It's a 1974 model (date is
> > > > > > on the test ticket which on mine is glued onto the bottom of the pop-up
> > > > > > metal box).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've had 2 issues since then
> > > > > > > (1) power supply failure (diode burned out in the bridge rectifier) - I
> > > > > > think this was caused by the 2 aged PSU capacitors which I should have
> > > > > > replaced when I bought it really. Swapped them out and replaced all 4
> > > > > > diodes in the bridge, £3 for the bits from maplin :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (2) wacky tuning - just oxidised contacts in the multi pin plugs which
> > > > > > connect the keyboard and the pitch/ mod wheel assemblies. You could clean
> > > > > > them but I just replaced them with gold plated 'Trident' connectors which I
> > > > > > am used to using professionally - sorted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Overall I wouldn't be too scared to take the plunge as they sound
> > > > > > f***ing amazing and as Chris says are built from standard parts which
> > > > > > should be around for some time to come.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And they look nice sat on top of a Mellotron. Now where's my gold cape
> > > > > > :-o ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > cheers Paul M.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Chris Dale
> > > > > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:22 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat Off-Topic: minimoogs
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gary is 100% right about the $2000.00 price for a Minimoog especially in
> > > > > > this economy. Sometimes they might be a little more now ($3000) depending
> > > > > > on some variables.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The biggest issue with them is the oscillator tuning and whether this
> > > > > > matters a lot to you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When I got my Minimoog (back in 1990) people were paying more for the
> > > > > > ones with the original oscillator cards (in serial numbers below 10000 I
> > > > > > believe).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Those were supposed to sound just like the modular Moogs, (hence the
> > > > > > name mini-moog).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In 1976 Norlin music (which took over Robert Moog's company) changed the
> > > > > > oscillator boards and made them more stable - less tuning drift.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But the downside is that the sounds weren't as rich because the new
> > > > > > oscillators didn't drift slightly like the old ones, giving a fatter and
> > > > > > (some say better) sound.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another more important issue is whether the keyboard was ever sawed off
> > > > > > from the electronics.
> > > > > > > Some 'late 80's/early 90's hipster-morons' used to saw off the keyboard
> > > > > > and rack mount the electronic portion (what they thought was hot-rodding it
> > > > > > to make it look more contemporary.) What they really did was just damage
> > > > > > everything by changing the way cool air could circulate under the
> > > > > > electronics.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The old vs newer oscillator cards / rackmounted units were big issues
> > > > > > back when I got mine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not sure if it influences price / desirability these days.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But it is something to be aware of.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can tell from the back of the Minimoog whether you have the old or
> > > > > > new oscillator cards.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are holes directly behind the oscillators that you stick a
> > > > > > Phillips screwdriver in to tune them. It's fairly straightforward to do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The old ones have a more haphazard hole arrangement for the octave
> > > > > > /pitch tuning.
> > > > > > > On the post-1976 ones are the holes all nicely lined up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Minimoogs are fairly easy to get fixed because they are made from simple
> > > > > > parts and electronics. In fact, the Minimoogs of the 70's will be around a
> > > > > > lot longer than many chip based 80's synths because of simpler parts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's probably best to Google about all this and that way you can make an
> > > > > > informed decision before agreeing to a price.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Someone local to me is selling a minimoog. I admit I am tempted. He
> > > > > > doesn't have any idea for a price and I don't know what I should be wary
> > > > > > about. Yes, we're quite a team.
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> > > > > > > What are they generally being sold for these days?
> > > > > > > What do you look for in one? What are the usual defects? How easy are
> > > > > > they to get fixed these days? (Bear in mind I am in the UK - you cannot
> > > > > > even get a Hammond fixed without grief round here)
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> > > > > > > Mike
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> > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> > > > > > signature database 7703 (20121117) __________
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> > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
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> > > > > > > http://www.eset.com
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> > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> > > > > > signature database 7703 (20121117) __________
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> > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
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> > > > > > > http://www.eset.com
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> > > > > *Gino Wong Birgelo*
> > > > > BSComm, BSEE,
> > > > > ReRED Recording, *Analog Sound Design*
> > > > > *Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics*
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> > > > > *Ginowong@*<mailto:*Ginowong@*>
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