The Mellotron Group

Foxtrot just arrived, played Watcher of the Skies,
very disappointing, can't understand what all the fuss
is about.

Mark


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--- Mattias <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se> wrote:

> I like your attitude...Now do the Moody blues...

No I quite liked the mellotron and chamberlin sounds
of the Moody Blues but not the material. Quite like
the Genesis material but not the mellotron sounds.
Prefer King Crimson and BJH to both. Really enjoy
playing Cirkus at maximum volume.

Mark

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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
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>   Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:01 AM
>   Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Watcher of the skies
> 
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>   Foxtrot just arrived, played Watcher of the Skies,
>   very disappointing, can't understand what all the
> fuss
>   is about.
> 
>   Mark
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Hah!  I thought I was the only one!  I do like Hackett's  little guitar piece 
-- sort of like his version of Steve Howe's Mood For A Day  on Yes' Fragile.

Frank
 
 
In a message dated 3/6/2008 11:02:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

Foxtrot just arrived, played Watcher of the Skies,
very  disappointing, can't understand what all the fuss
is  about.

Mark





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In a message dated 07/03/2008 07:02:23 GMT Standard Time,  
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

Foxtrot just arrived, played Watcher of the Skies,
very  disappointing, can't understand what all the fuss
is  about.



Listen to Janacek's Taras Bulba and forget about rock.
 
M
 
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... Hi Martin, Rock s just for fun,nostalgia and frightening the cat. The Well Tempered Clavier and the Handel and Corelli Concerto grossi are  all I really 

>  Come up with something better! Start a freaking prog revolution!
>  
>  
> 
> --- tronbros@aol.com <mailto:tronbros%40aol.com>  wrote:
> 
>> > Listen to Janacek's Taras Bulba and forget about
>> > rock.
>> >  
>> > M
> 
> Hi Martin, Rock's just for fun,nostalgia and
> frightening the cat. The Well Tempered Clavier and the
> Handel and Corelli Concerto grossi are  all I really
> need these days.
> 
> I keep trying to arrange Corelli for massed m-tron
> string samples but the sound it never sounds right for
> some reason.
> 
> Still I do like Janacek particularly the operas and I
> am fortunate that the NZ Opera are doing Jenufa in
> Wellington later this year.
> 
> When I get #1565 going I am going to be the only
> baroque mellotron player in the southern hemisphere!
> 
> Mark
> 
>> > Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
>> > 
>> > _www.mellotronics.com_
>> > (http://www.mellotronics.com/)
>> > 
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>> <mailto:JMoore6397%40aol.com> _
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>> > (http://pjc56@earthlink.net/)
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>> > 
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In a message dated 07/03/2008 13:49:39 GMT Standard Time, tomdcour@amnh.org  
writes:

Come up with  something better! Start a freaking prog  revolution!



It's been a slow train coming but having closely scrutinised a lot of  the 
'prog' I have listened to over the years plus a good cross section of  what is 
currently on offer, I wonder why I ever bothered with most of it.   Prog
obviously has good music within the genre but to my ears the vast quantity  
is utterly pointless and disposable.  When you consider the  genius involved in 
writing a symphony in your head for 60+ players with all the  counterpoint, 
harmonisation, voicing etc. etc. in a month and the resulting  work being 
playable on first attempt with a few revisions needed and then you  consider the 
simple sub standard amalgam of styles churned out after months in a  studio.  
Well the gulf is obvious to my mind. 
 
Start fighting....................
 
Martin
 
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But still, that bass accordion...eh? Woooaahh eh?  know what I mean,nudge
nudge.

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Sent: vrijdag 7 maart 2008 15:14
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Watcher of the skies

 

In a message dated 07/03/2008 13:49:39 GMT Standard Time, tomdcour@amnh.org
writes:

Come up with something better! Start a freaking prog revolution!

It's been a slow train coming but having closely scrutinised a lot of the
'prog' I have listened to over the years plus a good cross section of what
is currently on offer, I wonder why I ever bothered with most of it.  Prog

obviously has good music within the genre but to my ears the vast quantity
is utterly pointless and disposable.  When you consider the genius involved
in writing a symphony in your head for 60+ players with all the
counterpoint, harmonisation, voicing etc. etc. in a month and the resulting
work being playable on first attempt with a few revisions needed and then
you consider the simple sub standard amalgam of styles churned out after
months in a studio.  Well the gulf is obvious to my mind. 

 

Start fighting....................

 

Martin

 

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On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:13 AM, tronbros@aol.com wrote:

> It's been a slow train coming but having closely scrutinised a lot  
> of the 'prog' I have listened to over the years plus a good cross  
> section of what is currently on offer, I wonder why I ever bothered  
> with most of it.  Prog
> obviously has good music within the genre but to my ears the vast  
> quantity is utterly pointless and disposable.  When you consider the  
> genius involved in writing a symphony in your head for 60+ players  
> with all the counterpoint, harmonisation, voicing etc. etc. in a  
> month and the resulting work being playable on first attempt with a  
> few revisions needed and then you consider the simple sub standard  
> amalgam of styles churned out after months in a studio.  Well the  
> gulf is obvious to my mind.
>
> Start fighting....................
>
> Martin

Martin,

With all due respect, it takes a little longer than a month to write a  
symphony, especially if you're doing it by hand. Try many months to  
several years. And very few people did the whole thing in their head.  
It's worked out bits at a time. The only composer I know who could  
hold a whole piece in his head was Mozart -- and you don't think much  
of his music! ;)

But you're right: most prog is not particularly good music.  
Interesting? Certainly, at times. Well played? Definitely. But music  
for the ages? Not much of it.

Ludwig van Beethoven

In a message dated 07/03/2008 14:24:13 GMT Standard Time,  
rick@rickblechta.com writes:

With  all due respect, it takes a little longer than a month to write a 
symphony,  especially if you're doing it by hand. Try many months to several  years.


I agree.  I was making the point that very simple music takes  bands months 
to write and record yet a serious composer can collate his/her  ideas for a 
vast number of people to perform in a similar time span and the  peice will 
usually work first time.  And I hate schizophrenic prog that  leaps from different 
styles and time signatures without ever developing an idea  to some sort of 
fruition.  I  suspect this pap isn't born out of unbelievable talent and  an 
abundance of creativity, it's more a lack of ability to explore and develop,  to 
go on an excursion and then resolve.
 
Martin
 
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That would give little children nightmares. 

 

  _____  

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Really enjoy
playing Cirkus at maximum volume.
__

The Beatles, Hank Williams Sr., Paul Whiteman, Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov,  
Oscar Peterson and Led Zeppelin......that's what I'd send to the aliens...and  
maybe tease it with some outsider stuff like Johnny "Bowtie" Barstow and maybe  
"the Mellotron song"
 
fritZ
 
 
In a message dated 3/7/2008 9:24:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rick@rickblechta.com writes:

 
 
 


On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:13 AM, _tronbros@aol.tro_ (mailto:tronbros@aol.com)  
wrote:


It's been a slow train coming but having closely scrutinised a lot of  the 
'prog' I have listened to over the years plus a good cross section  of what is 
currently on offer, I wonder why I ever bothered with most of  it.  Prog
obviously has good music within the genre but to my ears the vast  quantity 
is utterly pointless and disposable.  When you  consider the genius involved in 
writing a symphony in your head for 60+  players with all the counterpoint, 
harmonisation, voicing etc. etc. in  a month and the resulting work being 
playable on first attempt with a few  revisions needed and then you consider the 
simple sub standard amalgam of  styles churned out after months in a studio.  
Well the gulf is obvious  to my mind. 
 
Start fighting....Start figStart f
 
Martin



Martin,


With all due respect, it takes a little longer than a month to write a  
symphony, especially if you're doing it by hand. Try many months to several  years. 
And very few people did the whole thing in their head. It's worked out  bits 
at a time. The only composer I know who could hold a whole piece in his  head 
was Mozart -- and you don't think much of his music! ;)


But you're right: most prog is not particularly good music. Interesting?  
Certainly, at times. Well played? Definitely. But music for the ages? Not much  
of it.

Ludwig van Beethoven

       





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Definitely the latter.
 
 
In a message dated 3/7/2008 8:42:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
fdoddy@aol.com writes:

The Beatles, Hank Williams Sr., Paul Whiteman, Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov,  
Oscar Peterson and Led Zeppelin....The Beatles, Hank Williams Sr., Paul Whiteman, 
Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov,  Oscar Peterson and Led Zeppelin....<WBR>..that's 
what I'd send to the  

fritZ





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On Mar 7, 2008, at 11:41 AM, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

> The Beatles, Hank Williams Sr., Paul Whiteman, Nikolai Rimsky- 
> Korsakov, Oscar Peterson and Led Zeppelin......that's what I'd send  
> to the aliens...and maybe tease it with some outsider stuff like  
> Johnny "Bowtie" Barstow and maybe "the Mellotron song"
>
> fritZ

Fritz!

Most of those guys you listed are dead! I'm sure the two surviving  
Beatles wouldn't want to be sent off to the aliens with a bunch of  
stiffs...

;)

And I like spelling 'piece' peice!
 
M
 
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This current thread of conversation brings us back to a topic  that's been 
hashed over, I mean, discussed many times before.  The  beauty (or horridness) 
of music and other aesthetic issues is going to vary  greatly with each 
individual.  Albeit, we can come to some kind of  consensus of agreement on the music 
of the likes of the Beatles, Beethoven, and  Oscar Peterson, and disagreement 
on the likes of rap, prog, Michael Bolton,  etc.  I happen to like 
Mussorgsky's Pictures At An Exhibition since playing  in an orchestral version back in 
high school (pre-ELP).  Others may think  it's doo-doo.  The latter doesn't 
sway my opinion of it one iota nor do I  lose sleep over it.  One may listen to 
Watcher Of The Skies or Tales From  Topographic Oceans and have them induce an 
aural orgasm; for others, they may  induce a bowel movement.  One man's 
medicine is another man's poison; One  man's ceiling is another man's floor (P. 
Simon); Eye of the beholder.  We  all love our Mellotrons, yet others swear by 
their DX7's.  BTW, we're right  on that one!

Frank 1
 
 
In a message dated 3/7/2008 8:42:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
fdoddy@aol.com writes:

The Beatles, Hank Williams Sr., Paul Whiteman, Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov,  
Oscar Peterson and Led Zeppelin....The Beatles, Hank Williams Sr., Paul Whiteman, 
Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov,  Oscar Peterson and Led Zeppelin....<WBR>..that's 
what I'd send to the  

fritZ
 
 
In a message dated 3/7/2008 9:24:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rick@rickblechta.In a messag

 
 
 


On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:13 AM, _tronbros@aol.tro_ (mailto:tronbros@aol.com)  
wrote:


It's been a slow train coming but having closely scrutinised a lot of  the 
'prog' I have listened to over the years plus a good cross  section of what is 
currently on offer, I wonder why I ever bothered with  most of it.  Prog
obviously has good music within the genre but to my ears the vast  quantity 
is utterly pointless and disposable.  When you  consider the genius involved in 
writing a symphony in your head for 60+  players with all the counterpoint, 
harmonisation, voicing etc.  etc. in a month and the resulting work being 
playable on first  attempt with a few revisions needed and then you consider the 
simple sub  standard amalgam of styles churned out after months in a studio.   
Well the gulf is obvious to my mind. 
 
Start fighting....Start figStart f
 
Martin



Martin,


With all due respect, it takes a little longer than a month to write a  
symphony, especially if you're doing it by hand. Try many months to several  years. 
And very few people did the whole thing in their head. It's worked  out bits 
at a time. The only composer I know who could hold a whole piece in  his head 
was Mozart -- and you don't think much of his music! ;)


But you're right: most prog is not particularly good music.  Interesting? 
Certainly, at times. Well played? Definitely. But music for the  ages? Not much 
of it.

Ludwig van  Beethoven











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In a message dated 3/7/2008 3:14:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tronbros@aol.com writes:

Listen  to Janacek's Taras Bulba and forget about rock.


 
Martin just received his first case of Preparation H so he's a little  
puckered right now. Perhaps when the swelling goes down on that end, he apply it  to 
the other. 



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In a message dated 3/7/2008 9:14:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tronbros@aol.com writes:

Well the  gulf is obvious to my mind. 


 
I agree. However, I still enjoy many of the great classics of progressive  
rock. I just don't listen as often as I used to.
 
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In a message dated 3/7/2008 12:22:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
MAinPsych@aol.com writes:

We all love our Mellotrons, yet others swear by their DX7's.   



No, I used to swear at my DX-7. That may be the case for many DX-7  owners.



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Hi all-

   Yeah, the title track does wear on you.  Almost no
use of volume pedal for dynamic effect.  And, wasn't
the audio compression used in the early 70's
wonderful?  It 'bout smashed the overall dynamics down
to nothing.  I still like the mix of violins and
brass, though (I know, I just bought the mix).  A very
distant and sad sound, but yearning for dynamic
swells.  I picked up "Genesis Live" recently.  The
tron on "Watcher" opens with the violins more
prominent that the brass, which sounds strange.

   Prog?  Gimme "Siberian Khatru", "Topographic
Oceans", "Take a Pebble", "Selling England By the
Pound"(the track), "Black Light Syndrome"(something
more recent), and, the original "Quadrophenia".  So
there.

   -Bruce D.
   #1221 (ducking)


--- Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Foxtrot just arrived, played Watcher of the Skies,
> very disappointing, can't understand what all the
> fuss
> is about.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Bruce Daily wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all-
> 
> Yeah, the title track does wear on you. Almost no use of volume
> pedal for dynamic effect. And, wasn't the audio compression used in
> the early 70's wonderful? It 'bout smashed the overall dynamics
> down to nothing. I still like the mix of violins and brass, though
> (I know, I just bought the mix). A very distant and sad sound, but
> yearning for dynamic swells. I picked up "Genesis Live" recently.
> The tron on "Watcher" opens with the violins more prominent that
> the brass, which sounds strange.
> 
> Prog? Gimme "Siberian Khatru", "Topographic Oceans", "Take a
> Pebble", "Selling England By the Pound"(the track), "Black Light
> Syndrome"(something more recent), and, the original "Quadrophenia".
> So there.
> 
> -Bruce D. #1221 (ducking)

What CD version of "Foxtrot" do you have? I seriously wouldn't touch
the recent high-tech remasters with a bargepole. I bought a couple of
them and unloaded them ASAP. Glad I kept my old Genesis CDs. The newer
super-duper reissues have all been given modern mastering and are far
worse for it IMO. Go back to the vinyl or the first US CDS, or even
the first remaster series from the early/mid 90s. You'll find there's
a whole lot more dynamics there than you're hearing, if you have the
version I suspect you have. YMMV.
-- 
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
Systems Theory internet music project links:
official site <www.systemstheory.net>
MySpace MP3s <www.myspace.com/systemstheory>
CDBaby <www.cdbaby.com/systemstheory>
"Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies" CD released Dec 2004
"Codetalkers" CD coming Xmas 2007
NP: nothing

Yes I have the remastered CD, but I think that's it as
far as Genesis is concerned I'm not spending any more
money on them.

Mark
--- sdavmor <sdavmor@systemstheory.net> wrote:

> Bruce Daily wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all-
> > 
> > Yeah, the title track does wear on you. Almost no
> use of volume
> > pedal for dynamic effect. And, wasn't the audio
> compression used in
> > the early 70's wonderful? It 'bout smashed the
> overall dynamics
> > down to nothing. I still like the mix of violins
> and brass, though
> > (I know, I just bought the mix). A very distant
> and sad sound, but
> > yearning for dynamic swells. I picked up "Genesis
> Live" recently.
> > The tron on "Watcher" opens with the violins more
> prominent that
> > the brass, which sounds strange.
> > 
> > Prog? Gimme "Siberian Khatru", "Topographic
> Oceans", "Take a
> > Pebble", "Selling England By the Pound"(the
> track), "Black Light
> > Syndrome"(something more recent), and, the
> original "Quadrophenia".
> > So there.
> > 
> > -Bruce D. #1221 (ducking)
> 
> What CD version of "Foxtrot" do you have? I
> seriously wouldn't touch
> the recent high-tech remasters with a bargepole. I
> bought a couple of
> them and unloaded them ASAP. Glad I kept my old
> Genesis CDs. The newer
> super-duper reissues have all been given modern
> mastering and are far
> worse for it IMO. Go back to the vinyl or the first
> US CDS, or even
> the first remaster series from the early/mid 90s.
> You'll find there's
> a whole lot more dynamics there than you're hearing,
> if you have the
> version I suspect you have. YMMV.
> -- 
> Cheers,
> SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
> Systems Theory internet music project links:
> official site <www.systemstheory.net>
> MySpace MP3s <www.myspace.com/systemstheory>
> CDBaby <www.cdbaby.com/systemstheory>
> "Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies" CD released Dec
> 2004
> "Codetalkers" CD coming Xmas 2007
> NP: nothing
> 



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tronbros@aol.com wrote:
> Listen to Janacek's Taras Bulba and forget about rock.

Sounds like a piece written about his fat girlfriend.

Mike

tronbros@aol.com wrote:
> It's been a slow train coming but having closely scrutinised a lot of 
> the 'prog' I have listened to over the years plus a good cross section 
> of what is currently on offer, I wonder why I ever bothered with most 
> of it. 

Most of it is (to my ears) a ham-fisted attempt to steal ideas by people 
who can actually write. Some of it is so primitive that it's laughable - 
Genesis are a prime example. It's not that they cannot play their 
instruments - they obviously can - but they are so /mannered/. The 
lyrics don't exactly help either. I still think that my abiding 
fondnress for King Crimson lies in the fact that their best work was 
always done when the singer simply shut up and let the rest of the band 
get on with it.

Mike

tronbros@aol.com wrote:
> And I hate schizophrenic prog that leaps from different styles and 
> time signatures without ever developing an idea to some sort of 
> fruition. 

Oh don't start me on time signatures. There are CLEARLY instances where 
bands have written something in 4 or 3 and then quite deliberately 
transmogrified it into 7 or 9 just to 'prog it up'. It's musical tokenism.

Mike

I used to love my DX7 (or rather, TX7, it took up a whole lot less
space & cost less) I got some great sounds on it.  Had to use lots of
chorus, of course, but you could say the same about any of the crappy
1-osc polysynths from the early '80's

It always does my head in to see a bunch of people dissing progressive
rock on the MELLOTRON MAIL LIST, wtf.  Maybe if I sign up to the TB303
list, it'll be full of people saying "acid house, pff, lame,
rollseyes.gif" and so on.

Prog's signal/noise ratio doesn't seem any less uneven than any other
subgenre of rock to me - better than some, worse than others.  It
seems pretty moribund to me right now, and has seemed so for a good
few years now. My wife bought me a box set of 1930's Busby Berkeley
films on DVD for christmas, after listening to the tunes and
arrangements used in the routines on those, most or maybe even all
rock music sounds pretty small-scale, unimaginative, unabitious and
unexceptional by comparison.

On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Wow....is there actually anyone left who swears by the DX7? I mean, really?
>
>  I've used one before - most of its horrid reputation is down to the fact
> that it's a pig to program and so everyone uses the presets. It's actually a
> pretty good synth if you ever take the time to get to know it.
>
>  Mike
>
>
>
>
>  MAinPsych@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We all love our Mellotrons, yet others swear by their DX7's.  BTW, we're
> right on that one!
>
>
>

Hi-

  Maybe that's why I like "Selling England", as my CD
was bought back in '86.  Guess I'll also drag out the
vinyl and compare stuff.  Thanks.

  The most recent remastering that impressed me was
Yes' "Tales from Topographic Oceans" on Rhino.  A bit
more dynamics, and a restored opening section to the
1st track.  However, Rhino's remastering always sounds
a little grainy to me.  The mastering compression of
the 70's is very apparant, though.  The bonus tracks
are early run-throughs, and have a lot of dynamics,
well worth the listen.

   -Bruce D.

--- Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yes I have the remastered CD, but I think that's it
> as
> far as Genesis is concerned I'm not spending any
> more
> money on them.
> 
> Mark
> --- sdavmor <sdavmor@systemstheory.net> wrote:
> 
> > Bruce Daily wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi all-
> > > 
> > > Yeah, the title track does wear on you. Almost
> no
> > use of volume
> > > pedal for dynamic effect. And, wasn't the audio
> > compression used in
> > > the early 70's wonderful? It 'bout smashed the
> > overall dynamics
> > > down to nothing. I still like the mix of violins
> > and brass, though
> > > (I know, I just bought the mix). A very distant
> > and sad sound, but
> > > yearning for dynamic swells. I picked up
> "Genesis
> > Live" recently.
> > > The tron on "Watcher" opens with the violins
> more
> > prominent that
> > > the brass, which sounds strange.
> > > 
> > > Prog? Gimme "Siberian Khatru", "Topographic
> > Oceans", "Take a
> > > Pebble", "Selling England By the Pound"(the
> > track), "Black Light
> > > Syndrome"(something more recent), and, the
> > original "Quadrophenia".
> > > So there.
> > > 
> > > -Bruce D. #1221 (ducking)
> > 
> > What CD version of "Foxtrot" do you have? I
> > seriously wouldn't touch
> > the recent high-tech remasters with a bargepole. I
> > bought a couple of
> > them and unloaded them ASAP. Glad I kept my old
> > Genesis CDs. The newer
> > super-duper reissues have all been given modern
> > mastering and are far
> > worse for it IMO. Go back to the vinyl or the
> first
> > US CDS, or even
> > the first remaster series from the early/mid 90s.
> > You'll find there's
> > a whole lot more dynamics there than you're
> hearing,
> > if you have the
> > version I suspect you have. YMMV.
> > -- 
> > Cheers,
> > SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
> > Systems Theory internet music project links:
> > official site <www.systemstheory.net>
> > MySpace MP3s <www.myspace.com/systemstheory>
> > CDBaby <www.cdbaby.com/systemstheory>
> > "Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies" CD released Dec
> > 2004
> > "Codetalkers" CD coming Xmas 2007
> > NP: nothing
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>      
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