The Mellotron Group

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From: Chris Dale

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Richard Chamberlin was interviewed extensively for the film, and here's hoping that Dianna's editors didn't cut too much. I hope she had total control to prevent that.

I think most people at this point would really want to hear the fascinating untold histories behind the machines from the original people like Richard, John Bradley, Dave Biro or Geoff Unwin - people who were at least around in the golden age as this info is much more 'underground' (and much more interesting - based on the conversations I've had with them. I hope they each divulged at least most of what I was told.)

This film can potentially fill an existing void most people aren't aware of.

The last thing the world needs are more "Johnny come lately musicians" espousing about how they use the mellotron or chamberlin sounds, or how great their band is because of it, or especially - how unique their samples are. I truly hope those tedious and painfully boring interviews are kept to a minimum, and that all the interesting history is finally told. Things have been out of balance in that area for way too long.

And sorry but Kanye West's name has no place even being mentioned in THIS film. Jon Brion's worked with much better than him. That guy's about as worthy of attention as a dead cat attempting to decompose in outer space. ;

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:26 AM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

Rick Nielsen.

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>   Dianna Dilworths Mellotron film.
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>   This event is planned to start at 2:30 pm on Sep 19, 2009 at The Tabernacle, 
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>   A quick thanks to Mattias for letting me know about the screening. For those who haven't seen it, there's some great stuff in there, although it's also quite flawed, both technically and in its omissions. Mattias comes across as... Mattias.  :-)   Still, I look forward to being able to buy a copy...
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From: Andy Thompson
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 9:47 PM

----- Original Message -----

From: Mattias Olsson (Roth Händle studios)

To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:11 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...

Dianna Dilworths Mellotron film.

This event is planned to start at 2:30 pm on Sep 19, 2009 at The Tabernacle,

Prowis Square W11 2AY (Notting Hill Gate Tube).

Its fun...!

A quick thanks to Mattias for letting me know about the screening. For those who haven't seen it, there's some great stuff in there, although it's also quite flawed, both technically and in its omissions. Mattias comes across as... Mattias. :-) Still, I look forward to being able to buy a copy...

Andy T.

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To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
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Richard Chamberlin?was interviewed extensively?for the film, and here's hoping that Dianna's editors didn't cut?too much. I hope she had total control to prevent that.


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I think most people at this point would really want to hear the fascinating?untold?histories behind the machines from the original people like Richard, John Bradley,?Dave Biro?or Geoff Unwin - people who?were at least?around in the golden age as this info is much more 'underground' (and much more interesting -?based on the conversations I've had with them. I hope they each?divulged at least?most of what I was told.)



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This film can potentially fill an existing?void most people aren't aware of.


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The last thing the world needs are more "Johnny come lately musicians" espousing about how they use the mellotron or chamberlin?sounds, or how great their band is because of it, or especially - ?how unique their?samples are. I truly hope those tedious and painfully boring?interviews are kept to a minimum, and that all the interesting history is finally told. Things have been out of balance in that area for way too long.



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And sorry but Kanye West's name has no place even being mentioned in THIS film. Jon Brion's worked with much better than him. That guy's?about as worthy of attention as?a?dead cat attempting to?decompose in outer space.?



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Rick Nielsen.

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From: "tronfan66" <mellotron_head@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:32 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


Tony


Most definitely. Aside from the aforementioned flaws it was a treat to 
watch, and also fascinating to find out more about the Chamberlin, about 
which I knew comparatively very little until then.

Such a shame though, that the equipment at the Tabernacle kept conking out, 
so we missed a few minutes of the film early on due to temporary loss of 
sound, but no matter, there's always the forthcoming DVD release. According 
to the Mellodrama page on Facebook, that's planned for release in December.

Tony Swettenham
M400S #581 (having its long-intended Streetly restoration)


You were at the Tabernacle? You must've been the only other person there who 
watched it all the way through.  :-)

Andy T.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Dickson

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:39 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

What flaws?

You're right, it's perfect. Then again, it's a Mellotron film more than anyone else has made...

Andy

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Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
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Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson

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From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:01
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...



 



Hmmm...

Andy Thompson wrote:

>> Rick Nielsen was irrelevant and who, indeed, gives a monkey's about Kanye 'Bigmouth' West?

I admit I haven't heard of him (West) until about 2 minutes ago but on looking at who he is it seems he is most notorious for a tirade on MTV recently. Whatever that amounted to, it's fair to say that one does not get on MTV unless rather a lot of people give a monkey's about you, regardless. 

>> p.s. We supplied two Mellotrons for The Strawbs' 40th anniv.bash t'other week.

Who indeed by comparison gives a monkey's about the Strawbs? Hardly anyone. 

Mike

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Mmmm.... I do! 

Andy K




Aka H.Anyone



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To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

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>> Rick Nielsen was irrelevant and who, indeed, gives a monkey's about Kanye 'Bigmouth' West?



I admit I haven't heard of him (West) until about 2 minutes ago but on looking at who he is it seems he is most notorious for a tirade on MTV recently. Whatever that amounted to, it's fair to say that one does not get on MTV unless rather a lot of people give a monkey's about you, regardless. 



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Who indeed by comparison gives a monkey's about the Strawbs? Hardly anyone. 



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From: Tron400
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 7:12 AM

That makes three of us, so far.

Bernie

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From: Chris Dale
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 6:03 AM

Thanks Frank!

Mattias - This is not intended as a dig at you in any way.

I'm rather surprised you'd think you were being lumped in with the type of mentality I'm talking about.

I mean - are you young in your maturity, insecure, ego centered, have a desire to over-promote yourself in the media, dishonestly pass samples off as real "mellotron" in liner notes to enhance CD sales, pretend you own a mellotron when you don't, take credit for things others have done before you, or not have the class to know when to censure youself ?

I'd like to believe "no". You've made some intelligent contributions here, have you not?

About me having heard your music - you were supposed to send me a CD a while back while we were discussing the "possible Chamberlin for sale" thread. But you never did......... so I don't know quite what it sounds like, and am in no position to comment on it.

So - in no way could I be referring to you, nor other list members here, or any other mellotron caretakers. And if I was, I would be a hypocrite - as my age and perceived disposition could also include me in the "Johnny come lately" demographic as well.

But I try my best to ensure that never happens. (When is the last time I drew attention to my own projects here or anywhere else?)

So please don't misconstrue what I'm ranting about (and you really probably shouldn't have posted my words out of context on Facebook - but no big deal)

Anyway - my rant - specifically - is about newer and immature bands using mellotron samples (or borrowed real mellotron) and blathering on endlessly in interviews about how interesting their band is over others, or how much they love the sound (said more really for their own publicity) - and....... that this kind of "interview" is really a veiled "band promo" or "product placement" and should probably be kept to a minimum - specifically in Dianna's movie......

WHY?......

Because there is a lot of untold history that hasn't been getting out there, and that needs to get out there.....and it can only be told with any credibility by those who were there during the golden age and who were interviewed for this film.

If this wasn't the case - I would be more than happy to hear "insert post- modern bands name here" on how special or interesting they think they are because they use real mellotron or samples.

But this isn't what's happening these days....

We hear the same trivial information repeated in books, film, video, the internet etc, and other more important and historical things that we have wondered about on this list are being forgotten about.

As far I'm aware - filling this void was one of the goals of Dianna's film, - to uncover some untold history. This was also a condition for certain people in agreeing to be interviewed in the first place. As a matter of fact - I was the guy who had to persuade some of these "elders" to do it, to freely discuss as much info as they did.

So yes, admittedly I have a personal interest in hearing the likes of John Bradley, Richard Chamberlin, Geoff Unwin, Dave Biro, Frank Levi, John Kasche, Bill Eberline, etc. over everyone else in the movie.

And in my opinion, it would be a bloody shame to see their "unheard of before contributions" edited down to promote say - the likes of Chris Dale, Mattias, Jon Brion, Opeth, the Flower Kings, Kanye West or anyone else - because this stuff can be found elsewhere and the other info can't.

The only others who could probably remedy this void at any length are Dave Kean, Martin Smith, Jerry Korb, Marcus Resch, and Pea Hix.

Dianna's film seems an excellent opportunity for us to learn some unknown history (which I know we all would find very interesting) and I sincerely hope enough of it survives the final cut. I imagine it will if she has or had total control over the editing.

So to sum up - if it's a hypothetical choice between learning about:

Category 1:

Barry Frederick - first Chamberlin session musician

Harry Chamberlin's early recording equipment

The special room Harry created to record in

Lawrence Welk's offer to fund Chamberlin manufacture

Bill Fransen's false residence

Harry's selling of the violin sound to Streetly

Geoff Unwin's Mellotron promotion

Story of Yamaha / Wurlitzer adding the instrument plastic tabs to their organs to spitefully compete with the Chamberlin

Frank Levi correcting Bill Eberline's Sound Sales "modifications"

John Lennon's Birotron order / music session at the Record Plant

McCartney visit to the Birotron factory

Harry's lawsuits / deal with Optigan Corporation

Dave Vankoevering's attempted deal with Roy Chilton

Musician's Union ban and destruction of tape replay instruments

Pepperidge Farm Foods funding of digital Birotron

Bob Moog being asked to help with Godley / Creme's Gizmo

Mellotron or Chamberlin maintenance

or Category 2:

Kanye West's opinion of the Chamberlin

Maroon 5 and how much they like the sound

Martin Orford's complaints about the Mellotron

How Opeth uses the Mellotron

How Bigelf uses Mellotron

How Mellotron samples are replacements for the real thing

M-Tron and which bands are using it

Memo tron

How me, you , or your friends, or your friends' bands use a real mellotron and what we all think of the sound

Any overly-self promotional material

Well - no offense to anyone - but I know which category I'd find more interesting and would rather watch.

Granted - there has to be a certain amount of time given to "how" and "who" uses these things now, but certainly not at the expense of necessary history which has been buried over time.

A film like this - such arcane material - should be more about the history of the instruments, and less about stroking our own egos and promoting our own musical endeavors. That's what our respective websites are for.

In comparison, we have lots of time for our own interviews, thoughts on mellotron sounds, music promos etc.

The original Mellotron, Chamberlin, Birotron, Orchestron, and Optigan "elders" don't.

We don't know what we don't know.

Let's learn while we still can.

Mattias - hypothetically - say you got a broken Chamberlin one day, and you found out Richard died, but before he went he recorded some repair tips but..... ... they were cut from the movie - I'm sure you'd trade your spot in a heartbeat to have those bits from Richard back in. Ditto John Bradley or Dave Biro.

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about - info that once it's gone - it's gone.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 5:11 PM, <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:

He said "Johnny come lately..." not Mattias come lately...

In a message dated 9/26/2009 3:03:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se writes:

Hi Chris, I am Mattias. Nice to meet you. Have you heard my band ?

From: Andy Thompson
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 12:49 AM

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From: Mark Pring

To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:40 AM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...

I live in hope of finding some track with mellotron not listed on your site, thought I had found it in Keith Christmas "Forest and the Shore" but no

Heh heh :-) Actually, I keep getting new entries thrown at me. Haven't heard the Keith Christmas, but at least I've got it listed...

Andy

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From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:44
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...



 



Andy Thompson wrote:

>> Indeed, but I believe we had a fairly recent debate on 'popularity in the world outside this list'. Just because someone sells millions of records doesn't mean anyone here's going to like them, or that said records will matter in the long run. They'll make their creators fairly rich and their record companies phenomenally rich(er), but are mostly artistically void. IMHO, of course.<<

Well, Andy - perhaps the point you made ought to have been 'who here gives a monkeys about...'. However, Dianna's film is I suspect not aimed at a small number of enthusiasts here and more at a large market of potentially interested audience. She'll include contemporary musicians because there is a fighting chance that this group of people will have actually have heard of him. I do not imagine the same could be said of The Strawbs. 

Mike

From: kinchmnusic@aol.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 11:56 AM

All together now........

Oh... You don't get me I'm Part of the Union

You don't get me I'm Part of the Union
You don't get me I'm Part of the Union

'till the day I die. 'till the day I die!

Not even a tron would save this little number!

Andy K


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:44
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Andy Thompson wrote:

>> Indeed, but I believe we had a fairly recent debate on 'popularity in the world outside this list'. Just because someone sells millions of records doesn't mean anyone here's going to like them, or that said records will matter in the long run. They'll make their creators fairly rich and their record companies phenomenally rich(er), but are mostly artistically void. IMHO, of course.<<

Well, Andy - perhaps the point you made ought to have been 'who here gives a monkeys about...'. However, Dianna's film is I suspect not aimed at a small number of enthusiasts here and more at a large market of potentially interested audience. She'll include contemporary musicians because there is a fighting chance that this group of people will have actually have heard of him. I do not imagine the same could be said of The Strawbs.

Mike

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Hmmm...

Andy Thompson wrote:

>> Rick Nielsen was irrelevant and who, indeed, gives a  monkey's about 
Kanye 'Bigmouth' West?

I admit I  haven't heard of him (West) until about 2 minutes ago but on 
looking at who he  is it seems he is most notorious for a tirade on MTV 
recently. Whatever that  amounted to, it's fair to say that one does not get on MTV 
unless rather a lot  of people give a monkey's about you, regardless. 

>>  p.s. We supplied two Mellotrons  for The Strawbs' 40th anniv.bash 
t'other week.

Who  indeed by comparison gives a monkey's about the Strawbs? Hardly 
anyone.  

Mike

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To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 3:57
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Hey, you guys made it a chart topper, not us.

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In a message dated 9/27/2009 6:57:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kinchmusic@aol.com writes:


All together now........

Oh... You don't get me I'm Part of the Union

You don't get me I'm Part of the Union
You don't get me I'm Part of the Union

'till the day I die. 'till the day I die!



Not even a tron would save this little number!

Andy K





Hey, you guys made it a chart topper, not us.

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In a message dated 9/27/2009 6:57:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kinchmusic@aol.com writes:


All together now........

Oh... You don't get me I'm Part of the Union

You don't get me I'm Part of the Union
You don't get me I'm Part of the Union

'till the day I die. 'till the day I die!



Not even a tron would save this little number!

Andy K

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>
> In a message dated 9/28/2009 2:04:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, andy.thompson@virgin.net 
>  writes:
> Doubtless, but as someone else said (Mark?), how many people REALLY  
> care about tape-replay instruments? I'm pleased she's made the film,  
> but I'm not sure how many people are going to be interested in the  
> 'outside world'. I have no problem with the contemporary musicians  
> angle - the footage of Patrick Warren (?) 'playing' his Chamby's  
> drive-wheel was fab.
>
>
>
> Seriously, does/did anyone on this list suffer from the delusion  
> that our fixation on this wonderful mechanical beast would ever  
> translate to the masses?  Both Nick Awde and I knew that our  
> respective books on the Mellotron were for a niche market, would  
> just be a curiosity to the rest of the world (e.g., the dude in the  
> M4000 L.A. video), and would never be candidates for the NYT Best  
> Seller list.  Likewise, Dianna's film appeals to the same niche  
> market, and I'm sure she's not losing any sleep over not being  
> nominated for a Palm d'Or or a Golden Globe.  As great as I hear the  
> M4000 is, does anyone really think that sales numbers, in the long  
> run, are going to dwarf that of any and all previous models?  One  
> can hope otherwise, but the practical reality is that anything  
> regarding the Mellotron is destined for the aforesaid niche market  
> (even within the general music community).  While I can't speak for  
> either Nick or Dianna on the following, I know that my experience in  
> writing The Mellotron Book brought me in contact with a publisher  
> that, while enthusiastic about the project, still fell outside the  
> niche market and saw it as a novelty, hence the publisher's (not my)  
> reference to the farcical description of the Mellotron as a "tape  
> loop organ".  I didn't lose sleep over that, assuming that those "in  
> the know" already understand.
>
> F.
>
>

>
> Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually  
> playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was  
> recorded seem to be the only variables.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> markpringnz@... writes:
> 
> Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live  sound 
> is still not one of  them.
>

-----Original Message-----
From: lsf5275@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 5:14
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...




Clay, 

?

Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...

?

I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small section explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?

?

When?one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?

?

And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.

?

God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *

?

So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.

?

Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

?

Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?

?

Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only?old fuckers should have one.

?

Frank

?

My Mellotron





My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)

?

?

* I love mine so no one freak out.

?

?


In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:

 

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale wrote: 
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

>
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > different from the M400 preamp?
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> >> >  
> >> >  
> >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> >> > 
> >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live  sound
> >> > is still not one of  them.
> >> >
> > 
> >   
> >     
> > 
> >
>

From: md1jkb
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:21 PM

Hi,
I have both an M300 and M400 and yes the pre amps in the M300 are peculiar only to that model and the SFX consoles (and are mounted directly behind the volume pots on the control panel). The M400 WME preamps definately sound brighter and the line amp is a diferent design as well. Also on the M300 by turning the main leads volume completely down and the reverb level control up you hear just the signal going through the reverb which is the Galadriel sound. If you increase the leads volume on the front panel to mix in with the reverb but them back off the footpedal you get the same effect - so on Galadriel you hear Woolly playing initially just through the spring line but then just before the verse he brings the footpedal and you hear the dry signal coming in to the mix.

bw
John

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Tom Doncourt wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > different from the M400 preamp?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> >> >
> >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live sound
> >> > is still not one of them.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> Hi,
> I have both an M300 and M400 and yes the pre amps in the M300 are peculiar only to that model and the SFX consoles (and are mounted directly behind the volume pots on the control panel). The M400 WME preamps definately sound brighter and the line amp is a diferent design as well. Also on the M300 by turning the main leads volume completely down and the reverb level control up you hear just the signal going through the reverb which is the Galadriel sound. If you increase the leads volume on the front panel to mix in with the reverb but them back off the footpedal you get the same effect - so on Galadriel you hear Woolly playing initially just through the spring line but then just before the verse he brings the footpedal and you hear the dry signal coming in to the mix.
> 
> bw
> John
> 
> 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@> wrote:
> >
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > > different from the M400 preamp?
> > > 
> > > Bernie
> > > 
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> > >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> > >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> > >> >  
> > >> >  
> > >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> > >> > 
> > >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live  sound
> > >> > is still not one of  them.
> > >> >
> > > 
> > >   
> > >     
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

>
> That was a very good and informative explanation, John.
> 
> Now what can I do with with my m400's and Lexicon MX100 reverb to get a similar sound?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "md1jkb" <j.k.beresford@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I have both an M300 and M400 and yes the pre amps in the M300 are peculiar only to that model and the SFX consoles (and are mounted directly behind the volume pots on the control panel). The M400 WME preamps definately sound brighter and the line amp is a diferent design as well. Also on the M300 by turning the main leads volume completely down and the reverb level control up you hear just the signal going through the reverb which is the Galadriel sound. If you increase the leads volume on the front panel to mix in with the reverb but them back off the footpedal you get the same effect - so on Galadriel you hear Woolly playing initially just through the spring line but then just before the verse he brings the footpedal and you hear the dry signal coming in to the mix.
> > 
> > bw
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > > > different from the M400 preamp?
> > > > 
> > > > Bernie
> > > > 
> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> > > >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> > > >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> > > >> >  
> > > >> >  
> > > >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live  sound
> > > >> > is still not one of  them.
> > > >> >
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > >     
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Clay,

Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...

I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small section explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?

When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?

And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.

God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *

So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.

Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?

Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.

Frank

My Mellotron
[cid:image001.jpg@01CA41B1.045C5FE0]
[cid:image002.jpg@01CA41B1.045C5FE0]
My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)


* I love mine so no one freak out.


In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com<mailto:ecclesreinson@rogers.com> writes:


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Dale wrote:
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


























    

                  



“Mellotrons should be like Harleys”……Great analogy Frank!! 

 

 

 




From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...



 


Clay, 



 



Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...




 



I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small sectio
n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?



 



When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?



 



And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.



 



God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *



 



So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.



 



Was=2
0Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.



 



Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?



 



Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.



 



Frank



 



My Mellotron











My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)



 



 



* I love mine so no one freak out.



 



 




In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:



  


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale wrote: 
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:22 pm
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


























    

                  



Movies have critics…books have critics…music has critics…there is nothing wrong in Frank having an opinion on the film.  

Personally I have not seen the film but if it’s about the Mellotron than I think Rick Wakeman, who is one of the artists 

who made the Mellotron famous, should have been in the film.  He burned his in a bonfire out of frustration from their 

unreliability….that would have been a good scene for perspective.  There is nothing wrong in criticizing this film or any 

other and I don’t think Frank had ant malice in his intent…he was just expressing his opinion.  Haven’t you ever had an 

opinion on anything?  Do you have to make a film to have an opinion on one? 

 




From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipsnips@aol.com0ASent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:07 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...



 

I would have liked to see the film include...
Perhaps a small sectio n... 


They have to be in the film...



So if your going to make a movie...



Do you realize that there's video out there...



Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.



 



I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a labor of love is kinda cheap.  We're gonna be seeing your film when?    Skip



 



 



 



 



 



-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


  






“Mellotrons should be like Harleys”……Great analogy Frank!! 



 



 



 






From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...





 




Clay, 





 





Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna shou
ld have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...





 





I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small sectio n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?





 





When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?





 





And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.





 





God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *





 





So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell20us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.





 





Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.





 





Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?





 





Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.





 





Frank





 





My Mellotron

















My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)





 





 





* I love mine so no one freak out.





 





 






In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:





  




--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale wrote: 
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this g
roup. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


  

"Mellotrons should be like Harleys"......Great analogy Frank!! 

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ya hoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Clay, 

Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris'
points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further
investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry
Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much
more...

I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using
recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small
section explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound.
Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the
tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?

When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that
garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did
Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his
inventions and wash up for lunch?

And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that
there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds
for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking
perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology
reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance
beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.

God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a
better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *

So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us
more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with
the id e a to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy
Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.

Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip
off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well?
Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing
wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king
Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years
before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?

Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.

Frank

My Mellotron



My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)

* I love mine so no one freak out.

In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ecclesreinson@rogers.com <mailto:ecclesreinson@rogers.com>  writes:

	  

	--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , Chris Dale wrote: 
	> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest
ass would be gone.
	
	I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your
issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.
	
	I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is
welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened
him away.
	
	Clay

From: ClayE
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: M300 sound
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 2:40 AM

Dan:
Run TWO outputs from your M400. Send one output to the Lexicon and set the reverb 100% WET. Send the second output through a volume pedal. Send the Lexicon output and the DRY volume pedal output to a mixer or a two channel amp. Adjust the two levels to your taste.

That will give you the same effect as the M300 reverb. With the volume pedal, you can fade the dry signal in and out of a consistent wall of reverb. Some of the Lexicon 'cathedral' or 'large church' reverbs ring on for 5 seconds or more.

Warning: If this technique gives you an erection that lasts more than four hours, call Dr. Martin Smith.

Clay

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "dan_miso" wrote:
>
> That was a very good and informative explanation, John.
>
> Now what can I do with with my m400's and Lexicon MX100 reverb to get a similar sound?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "md1jkb" wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I have both an M300 and M400 and yes the pre amps in the M300 are peculiar only to that model and the SFX consoles (and are mounted directly behind the volume pots on the control panel). The M400 WME preamps definately sound brighter and the line amp is a diferent design as well. Also on the M300 by turning the main leads volume completely down and the reverb level control up you hear just the signal going through the reverb which is the Galadriel sound. If you increase the leads volume on the front panel to mix in with the reverb but them back off the footpedal you get the same effect - so on Galadriel you hear Woolly playing initially just through the spring line but then just before the verse he brings the footpedal and you hear the dry signal coming in to the mix.
> >
> > bw
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Tom Doncourt wrote:
> > >;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > > > different from the M400 preamp?
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> > > >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> > > >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live sound
> > > >> > is still not one of them.
> > > >>; >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:56 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


I'd bet there are a lot of folks on this list that are, or were, Volkswagen owners.  I'm talking about the aircooled variety.  If you did not maintain them, you were hosed.

John
#911

________________________________
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

"Mellotrons should be like Harleys"......Great analogy Frank!!
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ya hoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
Clay,
Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...
I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small section explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?
When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?
And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.
God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *
So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the id e a to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.
Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.
Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?
Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.
Frank
My Mellotron
[cid:image002.jpg@01CA41B%201%20.045C5FE0]
My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)
* I love mine so no one freak out.
In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com<mailto:ecclesreinson@rogers.com> writes:


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Dale wrote:
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

>
> Dan:
> Run TWO outputs from your M400.  Send one output to the Lexicon and set the reverb 100% WET.  Send the second output through a volume pedal.  Send the Lexicon output and the DRY volume pedal output to a mixer or a two channel amp.  Adjust the two levels to your taste.
> 
> That will give you the same effect as the M300 reverb.  With the volume pedal, you can fade the dry signal in and out of a consistent wall of reverb.  Some of the Lexicon 'cathedral' or 'large church' reverbs ring on for 5 seconds or more.
> 
> Warning: If this technique gives you an erection that lasts more than four hours, call Dr. Martin Smith.
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "dan_miso" <dan_miso@> wrote:
> >
> > That was a very good and informative explanation, John.
> > 
> > Now what can I do with with my m400's and Lexicon MX100 reverb to get a similar sound?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "md1jkb" <j.k.beresford@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > I have both an M300 and M400 and yes the pre amps in the M300 are peculiar only to that model and the SFX consoles (and are mounted directly behind the volume pots on the control panel). The M400 WME preamps definately sound brighter and the line amp is a diferent design as well. Also on the M300 by turning the main leads volume completely down and the reverb level control up you hear just the signal going through the reverb which is the Galadriel sound. If you increase the leads volume on the front panel to mix in with the reverb but them back off the footpedal you get the same effect - so on Galadriel you hear Woolly playing initially just through the spring line but then just before the verse he brings the footpedal and you hear the dry signal coming in to the mix.
> > > 
> > > bw
> > > John
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > > > > different from the M400 preamp?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> > > > >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> > > > >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> > > > >> >  
> > > > >> >  
> > > > >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> > > > >> > 
> > > > >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live  sound
> > > > >> > is still not one of  them.
> > > > >> >
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > >     
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: lsf5275@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


























    

                  





Look who doesn't have a sense of humor!


?


Skip did you really not get it? Did you take even?word of any 
of that as anything other than what it was meant to be... utter 
nonsense?


?


The intent was to take a moment to diffuse perceived 
tension?and to goof on my good friend Chris what's his 
name...


?


God I hate explaining jokes. It's kinda like telling everybody that 
Frank Morgan is the Wizard of Oz right at the start of the movie.


?




In a message dated 9/30/2009 1:08:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
skipsnips@aol.com writes:


I 
  would have liked to see the film include...
Perhaps 
  a small sectio n... 
  
They 
  have to be in the film...

  
So 
  if your going to make a movie...

  
Do 
  you realize that there's video out there...

  
Where's 
  the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

  



  
I think it's really neat that you have opinions, 
  Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a 
  labor of love is kinda cheap. ?We're gonna be seeing your film when? 
  ? 
?Skip

>
> 
> On Sep 30, 2009, at 2:14 PM, lsf5275@... wrote:
> 
> > I run my Trons dry into a Mackie 12 channel mixer, then loop it out  
> > and through an Alesis Nanoverb and back into the mixer on a  
> > different channel. I pan the separate channels left and right and  
> > can activate the reverb with a foot switch. It gives a very  
> > interesting sound, with the reverb saturation control right at my  
> > fingertips.
> 
> I ran my tron dry into a Mixmaster set on low for 30 seconds, then  
> slowly mixed in 30 pounds of creamed butter, 16 1/2 pounds of sugar, a  
> pinch of salt, three dozen beaten eggs, a teaspoon or two of vanilla  
> extract and around 60 pounds of flour. I got some VERY interesting  
> cookies after baking for 20 minutes in a 325 degree oven. Had a hard  
> time finding an oven big enough and we were still pulling bits of tape  
> from our teeth a month later...
>

>
> Radio Shack or Guitar center. One into two. Or, you can buy a 1/4 inch jack 
>  and solder it to the existing line out and plug them both in. If you don't 
> use  the swell pedal jack,it can be quickly modified to continue to provide 
> a signal  to the line out even if it is in use as a line out.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:20:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> dan_miso@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Wow, thanks Clay!
> 
> Any idea where I could get get an adaptor to run  out 2 outputs from the  
> 'trons?
>

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:37 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: M300 sound


  

Did you remember to add in some weed? I suspect so, otherwise what kind
of idiot pours all that stuff into a Mellotron?
 
That wasn't a joke was it?
 
In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:33:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rick@rickblechta.com writes:

	
	I ran my tron dry into a Mixmaster set on low for 30 seconds,
then slowly mixed in 30 pounds of creamed butter, 16 1/2 pounds of
sugar, a pinch of salt, three dozen beaten eggs, a teaspoon or two of
vanilla extract and around 60 pounds of flour. I got some VERY
interesting cookies after baking for 20 minutes in a 325 degree oven.
Had a hard time finding an oven big enough and we were still pulling
bits of tape from our teeth a month later...

>  
>
> Movies have critics\u2026books have critics\u2026music has critics\u2026there is 
> nothing wrong in Frank having an opinion on the film. 
>
> Personally I have not seen the film but if it\u2019s about the Mellotron 
> than I think Rick Wakeman, who is one of the artists
>
> who made the Mellotron famous, should have been in the film.  He 
> burned his in a bonfire out of frustration from their
>
> unreliability\u2026.that would have been a good scene for perspective.  
> There is nothing wrong in criticizing this film or any
>
> other and I don\u2019t think Frank had ant malice in his intent\u2026he was just 
> expressing his opinion.  Haven\u2019t you ever had an
>
> opinion on anything?  Do you have to make a film to have an opinion on 
> one?* *
>
>  
>
> *From:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *skipsnips@aol.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:07 AM
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
>
>  
>
> I would have liked to see the film include...
> Perhaps a small sectio n...
>
> They have to be in the film...
>
> So if your going to make a movie...
>
> Do you realize that there's video out there...
>
> Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.
>
>  
>
> I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but 
> second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a 
> labor of love is kinda cheap.  We're gonna be seeing your film when?   
>  Skip
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
>
>  
>
> \u201cMellotrons should be like Harleys\u201d\u2026\u2026Great analogy Frank!!
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotro 
> <mailto:newmellotro?>ngroup@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *lsf5275@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
>
>  
>
> Clay,
>
>  
>
> Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' 
> points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further 
> investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry 
> Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so 
> much more...
>
>  
>
> I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to 
> using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a 
> small sectio n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back 
> sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick 
> to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?
>
>  
>
> When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that 
> garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did 
> Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his 
> inventions and wash up for lunch?
>
>  
>
> And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that 
> there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds 
> for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking 
> perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's 
> technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any 
> attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile 
> of crap.
>
>  
>
> God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a 
> better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *
>
>  
>
> So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us 
> more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with 
> the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy 
> Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.
>
>  
>
> Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip 
> off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? 
> Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.
>
>  
>
> Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing 
> wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king 
> Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years 
> before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?
>
>  
>
> Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.
>
>  
>
> Frank
>
>  
>
> My Mellotron
>
> My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)
>
>  
>
>  
>
> * I love mine so no one freak out.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> ecclesreinson@rogers.com <mailto:ecclesreinson@rogers.com> writes:
>
>      
>
>     --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Dale wrote:
>     > You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest
>     ass would be gone.
>
>     I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue
>     with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.
>
>     I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome
>     to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened
>     him away.
>
>     Clay
>
>

>
> I would have liked to see the film include...
> Perhaps a small sectio n...
> They have to be in the film...
> 
> So if your going to make a movie...
> 
> Do you realize that there's video out there...
> 
> Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a labor of love is kinda cheap. Â We're gonna be seeing your film when? Â  Â Skip
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Brumm <gabru@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     
> 
>                   
> 
> 
> 
> “Mellotrons should be like Harleys”……Great analogy Frank!! 
> 
> Â 
> 
> Â 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@...
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> Clay, 
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small sectio
> n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> Was=2
> 0Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> My Mellotron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> * I love mine so no one freak out.
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@... writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale wrote: 
> > You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.
> 
> I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.
> 
> I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.
> 
> Clay
>

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:00 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


I, for one, think the burning Mellotron story is bullshit. Wakeman made it up because its another great Wakeman story. I believe he is even starting to distance himself from that one.

In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:55:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com<mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com> writes:
Personally, I'd quite like to see Rick Wakeman on a bonfire.

Not because of his Mellotron stunt, just because he's a twat.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:56 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

I'd bet there are a lot of folks on this list that are, or were, Volkswagen owners. I'm talking about the aircooled variety. If you did not maintain them, you were hosed.

John

#911

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

\u201cMellotrons should be like Harleys\u201d\u2026\u2026Great analogy Frank!!

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ya hoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Clay,

Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...

I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small section explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?

When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?

And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.

God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *

So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the id e a to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.

Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?

Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.

Frank

My Mellotron

My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)

* I love mine so no one freak out.

In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale wrote:
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson
Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson

I run my Trons dry into a Mackie 12 channel mixer, then loop it out and through an Alesis Nanoverb and back into the mixer on a different channel. I pan the separate channels left and right and can activate the reverb with a foot switch. It gives a very interesting sound, with the reverb saturation control right at my fingertips.

In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:09:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

Ahhh. I though I had given up on that sound. Hadn't thought of that, one more try.

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson
Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson

> 

> I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

> 

> Clay

>

I, for one, think the burning Mellotron story is bullshit. Wakeman made it up because its another great Wakeman story. I believe he is even starting to distance himself from that one.

In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:55:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

Personally, I'd quite like to see Rick Wakeman on a bonfire.

Not because of his Mellotron stunt, just because he's a twat.

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson
Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:58 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...



I had a Triumph Herald. The Mellotron is a model of reliability compared to this. At least the bonnet opened forwards to let you stand in the engine compartment. Just don't let your mate start the engine.

Oh no. Don't let him.

Gary Brumm wrote:

Yes I owned several...they were an extremely dependable car......I also owned several British cars...the Triumph Spitfire is a much better
analogy to the Mellotron....no matter how much you serviced it you could still count on it to let you down....it was however a lot of
 fun to drive when it was running....but I spent so much time pushing it I felt like burning it in a bonfire :) I also had a Jag XKE......
...same story....LOTS of fun to drive...may it RIP..........


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:56 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


I'd bet there are a lot of folks on this list that are, or were, Volkswagen owners.  I'm talking about the aircooled variety.  If you did not maintain them, you were hosed.

John
#911

________________________________
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

"Mellotrons should be like Harleys"......Great analogy Frank!!
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ya hoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
Clay,
Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...
I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small section explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?
When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?
And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.
God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *
So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the id e a to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.
Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.
Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?
Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.
Frank
My Mellotron
[cid:image002.jpg@01CA41B%201%20.045C5FE0]
My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)
* I love mine so no one freak out.
In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com<mailto:ecclesreinson@rogers.com> writes:


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Dale wrote:
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay



--

Mike Dickson, Edinburgh



Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson

Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson

Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson

Twat. One of my very favourite words. It's even better than bollocks, a word I have high regard for. Coupled together as in 'the twat is talking bollocks', you have the perfect summary with no ambiguity.

Martin

Streetly Twatting Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink
Chloe Smith: myspace.com/chloesmithmusic

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson
Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:50 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


  

I believe he (Wakeman) talks about it in a Mellotron documentary he was
in.  I don't know if it is true but he certainly has distanced himself
from the instrument 

as did Tony Banks, Ian McDonald, Robert Fripp, and just about every
other successful musician responsible for the Mellotron being known.
None of them 

still use them as they are easily replaced by samplers.  Most of the
Mellotron recordings relied on playback through reverb, guitar amp,
chorus, etc. and not the direct 

sound of the instrument alone.  The Hammond/Leslie has not been
recreated successfully until the XK-1/XK-3 series bu t the Mellotron was
replaced by 

more reliable samplers long ago.  Due to its limited bandwidth (which is
what makes it sound so unique) even earlier samplers did a good job with
it.  The short 

duration of the notes certainly contributed to a style of playing that
we otherwise may have never seen.  I know I am going to get slammed for
saying such 

things so let me get this out beforehand....I love the Mellotron!  It is
responsible for getting me to listen to a more diverse selection of
music.  I didn't get on 

this list to bash it in any way....I just see the instrument as an
important part of music histor y and I am glad to see people like Frank
restoring them to "better than new"  

condition.  You can appreciate what they are without ignoring their
limitations.  I love the "sound" and appreciate the instrument that
created it....remember that 

as you pelt me with your attacks......

Cheers,

Gary

   

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:00 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

  

I, for one, think the burning Mellotron story is bullshit. Wakeman made
it up because its another great Wakeman story. I believe he is even
starting to distance himself from that one.

In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:55:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mike.dickson@gmail.com <mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com>  writes:

	Personally, I'd quite like to see Rick Wakeman on a bonfire. 
	
	Not because of his Mellotron stunt, just because he's a twat.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:07 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


Hi Gary,


I'm enjoying the list today.  Lots of robust dialog.  Samplers arguably may be more reliable but in my opinion a Mellotron has a better sound.  I've tried both in an identical setup with amps, reverb, and EQ.  Hands down the Tron sounded better to me, particularly the 8 voice choir.  But, I've only used one particular sampler/workstation.

John
#911

________________________________
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:50 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

I believe he (Wakeman) talks about it in a Mellotron documentary he was in.  I don't know if it is true but he certainly has distanced himself from the instrument
as did Tony Banks, Ian McDonald, Robert Fripp, and just about every other successful musician responsible for the Mellotron being known.  None of them
still use them as they are easily replaced by samplers.  Most of the Mellotron recordings relied on playback through reverb, guitar amp, chorus, etc. and not the direct
sound of the instrument alone.  The Hammond/Leslie has not been recreated successfully until the XK-1/XK-3 series bu t the Mellotron was replaced by
more reliable samplers long ago.  Due to its limited bandwidth (which is what makes it sound so unique) even earlier samplers did a good job with it.  The short
duration of the notes certainly contributed to a style of playing that we otherwise may have never seen.  I know I am going to get slammed for saying such
things so let me get this out beforehand....I love the Mellotron!  It is responsible for getting me to listen to a more diverse selection of music.  I didn't get on
this list to bash it in any way....I just see the instrument as an important part of music histor y and I am glad to see people like Frank restoring them to "better than new"
condition.  You can appreciate what they are without ignoring their limitations.  I love the "sound" and appreciate the instrument that created it....remember that
as you pelt me with your attacks......
Cheers,
Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:00 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

I, for one, think the burning Mellotron story is bullshit. Wakeman made it up because its another great Wakeman story. I believe he is even starting to distance himself from that one.
In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:55:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com<mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com> writes:
Personally, I'd quite like to see Rick Wakeman on a bonfire.

Not because of his Mellotron stunt, just because he's a twat.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipsnips@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:07 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...





I would have liked to see the film include...
Perhaps a small sectio n...



They have to be in the film...




So if your going to make a movie...




Do you realize that there's video out there...




Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.









I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a labor of love is kinda cheap. We're gonna be seeing your film when? Skip





























-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...











\u201cMellotrons should be like Harleys\u201d\u2026230;Great analogy Frank!!






















From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...












Clay,













Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...













I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small sectio n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?













When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?













And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.













God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *













So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.













Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.













Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?













Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.













Frank













My Mellotron










;









My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)




















* I love mine so no one freak out.





















In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com , Chris Dale wrote:
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

Bonfire? Just stick a wick in him-he\u2019d be like one of those wizard candles.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of doctorwho8@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:07 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...



In a message dated 9/30/09 2:58:34 PM, mike.dickson@gmail.com<mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com> writes:


I had a Triumph Herald

Was that the car james May of Top Gear made into a sailboat twice?
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipsnips@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:07 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...





I would have liked to see the film include...
Perhaps a small sectio n...



They have to be in the film...




So if your going to make a movie...




Do you realize that there's video out there...




Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.









I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a labor of love is kinda cheap. We're gonna be seeing your film when? Skip





























-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...











\u201cMellotrons should be like Harleys\u201d\u2026230;Great analogy Frank!!






















From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...












Clay,













Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...













I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small sectio n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?













When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?













And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.













God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *













So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.













Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.













Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?













Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.













Frank













My Mellotron










;









My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)




















* I love mine so no one freak out.





















In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com , Chris Dale wrote:
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

Bonfire? Just stick a wick in him-he\u2019d be like one of those wizard candles.

In a message dated 9/30/09 2:58:34 PM, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:



I had a Triumph Herald

Was that the car james May of Top Gear made into a sailboat twice?
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson
Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson

-----Original Message-----
From: skipsnips@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:06 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...









I would have liked to see the film include...

Perhaps a small sectio n...

They have to be in the film...



So if your going to make a movie...



Do you realize that there's video out there...



Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.









I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a labor of love is kinda cheap.  We're gonna be seeing your film when?    Skip

































-----Original Message-----

From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am

Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...































    


                  







“Mellotrons should be like Harleys”……Great analogy Frank!! 



 



 



 









From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
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Clay, 







 







Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...







 







I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small sectio
n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?







 







When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?







 







And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were=2
0just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.







 







God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *







 







So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.







 







Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.







 







Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?







 







Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.







 







Frank







 







My Mellotron























My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)







 







 







* I love mine so no one freak out.







 







 









In a message dated=2
09/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:






  





--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale wrote: 

> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.



I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.



I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.



Clay

>
> Got it!
> 
> Thanks for your replies.
> 
> Dan
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Radio Shack or Guitar center. One into two. Or, you can buy a 1/4 inch jack 
> >  and solder it to the existing line out and plug them both in. If you don't 
> > use  the swell pedal jack,it can be quickly modified to continue to provide 
> > a signal  to the line out even if it is in use as a line out.
> >  
> >  
> > In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:20:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> > dan_miso@ writes:
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Wow, thanks Clay!
> > 
> > Any idea where I could get get an adaptor to run  out 2 outputs from the  
> > 'trons?
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: skipsnips@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:06 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...









I would have liked to see the film include...

Perhaps a small sectio n...

They have to be in the film...



So if your going to make a movie...



Do you realize that there's video out there...



Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.









I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a labor of love is kinda cheap.  We're gonna be seeing your film when?    Skip

































-----Original Message-----

From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am

Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...































    


                  







“Mellotrons should be like Harleys”……Great analogy Frank!! 



 



C2



 









From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...







 





Clay, 







 







Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...







 







I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small sectio
n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?







 







When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?







 







And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron.20Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.







 







God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *







 







So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.







 







Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.







 







Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?







 







Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.







 







Frank







 







My Mellotron























My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)


0A



 







 







* I love mine so no one freak out.







 







 









In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:






  





--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale wrote: 

> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.



I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.



I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.



Clay

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:22 pm
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...






















    

                  



Movies have critics…books have critics…music has critics…there is nothing wrong in Frank having an opinion on the film.  

Personally I have not seen the film but if it’s about the Mellotron than I think Rick Wakeman, who is one of the artists 

who made the Mellotron famous, should have been in the film.  He burned his in a bonfire out of frustration from their 

unreliability….that would have been a good scene for perspective.  There is nothing wrong in criticizing this film or any 

other and I don’t think Frank had ant malice in his intent…he was just expressing his opinion.  Haven’t you ever had an 

opinion on anything?  Do you have to make a film to have an opinion on one? 

 




From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipsnips@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:07 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...



 

I would have liked to see the film include..
.
Perhaps a small sectio n... 


They have to be in the film...



So if your going to make a movie...



Do you realize that there's video out there...



Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.



 



I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a labor of love is kinda cheap.  We're gonna be seeing your film when?    Skip



 



 



 



 



 



-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


  






“Mellotrons should be like Harleys”……Great analogy Frank!! 



 



 



 






From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...





 




Clay, 





 





Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...





 





I would
 have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small sectio n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?





 





When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?





 





And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.





 





God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *





 





So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.





=C
2





Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.





 





Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?





 





Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.





 





Frank





 





My Mellotron

















My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)





 





 





* I love mine so no one freak out.





 





 






In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:





  




--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale wrote: 
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

-----Original Message-----
From: John Wright <john.wright@consona.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:56 pm
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...






















    

                  





I'd bet there are a lot of folks on this list that are, 
or were, Volkswagen owners.  I'm talking about the aircooled variety.  
If you did not maintain them, you were hosed.


 


John


#911







From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Brumm
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
To: 
newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 
Mellotron film in London...





  








“Mellotrons should be like Harleys”……Great 
analogy Frank!! 

















From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 
PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ya hoogroups.com
Subject: 
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in 
London...









Clay, 












Before we close 
out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too 
think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's 
not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Ir
ving Talentmaker. 
There's so much more...











I would have 
liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to 
play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small section explaining how 
recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how 
they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... 
who thought that up?











When one 
thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he 
made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever 
yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for 
lunch?











And Optigans... 
They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a 
shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than 
the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually 
know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that 
any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of 
crap.











God love the 
M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier 
tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *











So if your going 
to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something 
important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the id e a to house the20
mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his 
Mellotron.











Was Mattel the 
only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro 
thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? 
Where is the perspective.











Do you realize 
that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his 
Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing 
music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the 
perspective?











Mellotrons should 
be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have 
one.











Frank











My 
Mellotron

















My Harley (Yeah, 
it's a Shovel Head)

















* I love mine so 
no one freak out.



















In a message 
dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com 
writes:




  
  
  

  

  
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, 
  Chris Dale wrote: 
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your 
  sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story 
  Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about 
  it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias 
  is welcome to post messages here20anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him 
  away.

Clay

-----Original Message-----
From: lsf5275@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...






















    

                  




Gary,


 


It was meant to be humor fer chrisesakes!!!! Not one serious word 
in it... well, I would like to see Harry's garage. I haven't seen the movie yet, 
so I can't offer any opinion, but even if I did, I wouldn't have written that 
one. Who else here is a bolt-head?


 




In a message dated 9/30/2009 1:24:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
gabru@comsec.net writes:



  
Movies have 
  critics…books have critics…music has critics…there is nothing wrong in Frank 
  having an opinion on the film.  

  
Personally I 
  have not seen the film but if it’s about the Mellotron than I think Rick 
  Wakeman, who is one of the artists 

  
who made the 
  Mellotron famous, should have been in the film.  He burned his in a 
  bonfire out of frustration from their 

  
unreliability….that would have been a 
  good scene for perspective.  There is nothing wrong in criticizing this 
  film or any 

  
other and I 
  don’t think Frank had ant malice in his intent…he was just expressing his 
 
 opinion.  Haven’t you ever had an 

  
opinion on 
  anything?  Do you have to make a film to have an opinion on one?

From: newmellotrongroup@ newmellotro newmellotrongroup@<WBR>yah 
newmellotrongro newmellOn Behalf Of  lsf5275@aol.lsf
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:00  PM
To:  newmellotrongroup@  newmell  
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in  London...

 
 
 
 
I, for one,  think the burning Mellotron story is bullshit. Wakeman made it 
up because its  another great Wakeman story. I believe he is even starting 
to distance himself  from that one.
 

 
 
In a message  dated 9/30/2009 2:55:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
_mike.dickson@mike.dick_ (mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com)   writes:

Personally,  I'd quite like to see Rick Wakeman on a bonfire. 

Not because of his  Mellotron stunt, just because he's a  twat.

> Can we keep this meaningless chatter down? You are filling up my in box
> with crap. Let's get back to serious discussion.
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lsf5275@aol.com
>
> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:15:02
> To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
>
>
> Hey which twat do you mean? That sentence could describe any of us,
> although it seems to point mostly at Blechta.
>
>
> In a message dated 9/30/2009 3:32:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tronbros@aol.com writes:
>
> Coupled  together as in 'the twat is talking bollocks', you have the
> perfect summary  with no ambiguity.
>
>
>

From: lsf5275@aol.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 11:12 AM

Buzz killer.

In a message dated 9/30/2009 6:00:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djacques@csulb. edu writes:

Can we keep this meaningless chatter down? You are filling up my in box with crap. Let's get back to serious discussion.

From: Andy Thompson
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 12:22 PM

----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Brumm

To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:50 PM

Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Gary

I believe he (Wakeman) talks about it in a Mellotron documentary he was in.

Sounds like the 1998 BBC radio one - I have a tape somewhere. No idea if it was bullshit, though.

I don’t know if it is true but he certainly has distanced himself from the instrument

Well, I had a quick chat with him at The Strawbs' 40th bash (I was essentially dared) and he was perfectly pleasant and made a joke about a can of petrol (gas) and a lighter... He VERY conspicuously avoided the Mellotrons on stage, though!

Andy T.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:16 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


You can thank Lucas for that.

In a message dated 9/30/2009 11:22:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jimab@rogers.com<mailto:jimab@rogers.com> writes:
I once heard it said that British sports cars are made for those people who prefer fixing them to driving them.

>
> Dan,
> 
> I keep several of these around for my modular synth. I think this would fit the bill quite nicely.
> 
> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103712
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "dan_miso" <dan_miso@> wrote:
> >
> > Got it!
> > 
> > Thanks for your replies.
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Radio Shack or Guitar center. One into two. Or, you can buy a 1/4 inch jack 
> > >  and solder it to the existing line out and plug them both in. If you don't 
> > > use  the swell pedal jack,it can be quickly modified to continue to provide 
> > > a signal  to the line out even if it is in use as a line out.
> > >  
> > >  
> > > In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:20:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> > > dan_miso@ writes:
> > > 
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > Wow, thanks Clay!
> > > 
> > > Any idea where I could get get an adaptor to run  out 2 outputs from the  
> > > 'trons?
> > >
> >
>

>
> I think Rick Wakeman is a very good pianist, I can't think of any very good pianists that have been very enthusiatic about trons  ( was Oscar Peterson a fan ?). I don't think that the mellotron is going to appeal to anybody who has really mastered the piano.
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@...> wrote:
> 
> From: Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 12:22 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     
>                   
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: 
>   Gary Brumm 
>   To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com 
>   
>   Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:50 
>   PM
>   Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 
>   Mellotron film in London...
>   
> 
>   
> Gary
>   
> I 
>   believe he (Wakeman) talks about it in a Mellotron documentary he was 
>   in. 
>   
>   Sounds like the 1998 
>   BBC radio one - I have a tape somewhere. No idea if it was bullshit, 
>   though.
>   I 
>   don’t know if it is true but he certainly has distanced himself from the 
>   instrument  
>   Well, I 
>   had a quick chat with him at The Strawbs' 40th bash (I was essentially dared) 
>   and he was perfectly pleasant and made a joke about a can of petrol (gas) and 
>   a lighter... He VERY conspicuously avoided the Mellotrons on stage, 
>   though!
>   Andy 
>   T.
>

-----Original Message-----
From: djacques@csulb.edu
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...






















    

                  

      Can we keep this meaningless chatter down? You are filling up my in box with crap. Let's get back to serious discussion.  

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile




From:  lsf5275@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:15:02 EDT
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


?     
                   
 
Hey which twat do you mean? That sentence could describe any of us,  although it seems to point mostly at Blechta.

?


In a message dated 9/30/2009 3:32:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  tronbros@aol.com writes:

Coupled    together as in 'the twat is talking bollocks', you have the perfect summary    with no ambiguity.

From: fdoddy@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:14 AM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

I love meaningless chatter

-----Original Message-----
From: djacques@csulb.edu
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Can we keep this meaningless chatter down? You are filling up my in box with crap. Let's get back to serious discussion.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

From: lsf5275@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:15:02 EDT
To: yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Hey which twat do you mean? That sentence could describe any of us, although it seems to point mostly at Blechta.

In a message dated 9/30/2009 3:32:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tronbros@aol.com writes:

Coupled together as in 'the twat is talking bollocks', you have the perfect summary with no ambiguity.

-----Original Message-----
From:  djacques@csulb.Fro
To:  newmellotrongroup@To:  newmTo:
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:59  pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


 
 
 
Can we keep this meaningless chatter down? You are filling up my in box  
with crap. Let's get back to serious discussion. 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 
____________________________________
From: lsf5275@aol.: l
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:15:02  EDT
To:  <newmellotrongroup@newmellotronnew>
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


 
Hey which twat do you mean? That sentence could describe any of us,  
although it seems to point mostly at Blechta.
 
 
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Coupled together as in 'the twat is talking bollocks', you have the  
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On Oct 1, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Pomeroy RH Ranch wrote:



Isn’t Lucas responsible for the schematic for the CM10….





No, he's responsible for Star Wars. Although the plot for those and the schematic for the CMC10 do have a certain family resemblance.

From: Mark Pring
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] M300 sound
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 11:53 PM

Thanks to everybody who gave advice about the M300 sound, I have split the output on my tron as advised and it sounds closer to what I want but still not right. I think it might be the quality of digital reverb on my inexpensive mixer, I wondered about buying a seperate reverb to put between the tron and the mixer. Would it be best to use a spring reverb or a digital reverb like the alesis?

Mark