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I have been wondering recently if I should perhaps
give the Moody Blues and Genesis a second chance.
Quite a lot of my favourite music now was music that I
didn't like that much when I first heard it. I haven't
listened to either band for over 30 years except for
one or 2 tracks.

What one album of each group would list members
recommend that I listen to, to be converted?

Mark

Ps If  the Carpetcrawlers is one of Genesis's greatest
tracks forget them.


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Hi Mark

IMHO I would say:

Genesis: Nursery Cryme.The first track 'Musical Box' and the album's closing track 'Fountain of Salmacis' never stop fascinating me.

Moody Blues: all 7 core albums from Days Of Future Passed until Seventh Sojourn,but if I had to pick one,'In Search Of The Lost Chord'.Beautiful songs, beautifully recorded /mixed/segued.

Well,tonight anyway : )

Cheers,H

#920


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Onderwerp: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts

I have been wondering recently if I should perhaps
give the Moody Blues and Genesis a second chance.
Quite a lot of my favourite music now was music that I
didn't like that much when I first heard it. I haven't
listened to either band for over 30 years except for
one or 2 tracks.

What one album of each group would list members
recommend that I listen to, to be converted?

Mark

Ps If  the Carpetcrawlers is one of Genesis's greatest
tracks forget them.


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In a message dated 12/14/2007 4:22:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

What  one album of each group would list members
recommend that I listen to, to  be converted?

Mark




My preference is the  Moodies' To "Our Children's Children's Children" -- 
drenched in MkII Mellotron  from start to finish.
 
Was never much of a  Genesis fan so sorry on that count (although I have  
"Foxtrot")!
 
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In a message dated 12/14/2007 7:22:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

I have  been wondering recently if I should perhaps
give the Moody Blues and  Genesis a second chance.
Quite a lot of my favourite music now was music  that I
didn't like that much when I first heard it. I haven't
listened  to either band for over 30 years except for
one or 2  tracks.



Go listen to Suppers Ready on Foxtrot (genesis) and To our Children's  
Children (moodies) Also listen to Selling England (genesis - whole album) and In  
search of the lost chord (moodies)  Spread out from there. You are missing  out 
on two catalogs of amazing music.  Also remember to time period.
 
 
Also, ignore any comments from Mattias.
 
Frank  



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In a message dated 12/14/2007 8:03:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
MAinPsych@aol.com writes:

My preference is the  Moodies' To "Our Children's Children's Children" -- 
drenched in MkII Mellotron  from start to finish.
 
Was never much of a  Genesis fan so sorry on that count (although I have  
"Foxtrot")!
 
Frank  1

 

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Hi Mark-

   For Genesis listening I prefer "Selling England By
the Pound" simply for its maturity and variety. 
"Genesis Live" is good for an insight to their
abilities.

   For the Moodies, I like "To Our Children's
Children's Children".  Maximum Mellotron.  And,
"Seventh Sojourn" is a favorite, too (maximum
Chamberlin).

   -Bruce D.
   M400 #1221


--- Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have been wondering recently if I should perhaps
> give the Moody Blues and Genesis a second chance.
> Quite a lot of my favourite music now was music that
> I
> didn't like that much when I first heard it. I
> haven't
> listened to either band for over 30 years except for
> one or 2 tracks.
> 
> What one album of each group would list members
> recommend that I listen to, to be converted?
> 
> Mark
> 
> Ps If  the Carpetcrawlers is one of Genesis's
> greatest
> tracks forget them.
> 
> 
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Hessel,
I would agree with Mark although IMO a close 2nd to ISOTLC would be On 
The Threshold of A Dream.
Genesis-mine would be Foxtrot.
Pete
p.s.Carpert Crawlers does nothing for me either

Hessel Herder wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> IMHO I would say:
>
> Genesis: Nursery Cryme.The first track 'Musical Box' and the album's closing track 'Fountain of Salmacis' never stop fascinating me.
>
> Moody Blues: all 7 core albums from Days Of Future Passed until Seventh Sojourn,but if I had to pick one,'In Search Of The Lost Chord'.Beautiful songs, beautifully recorded /mixed/segued.
>
> Well,tonight anyway : )
>
> Cheers,H
>
> #920
>
>
>  elijk bericht -----
> Van: "Mark Pring" <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
> Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Verzonden: 15-12-07 1:22
> Onderwerp: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts
>
> I have been wondering recently if I should perhaps
> give the Moody Blues and Genesis a second chance.
> Quite a lot of my favourite music now was music that I
> didn't like that much when I first heard it. I haven't
> listened to either band for over 30 years except for
> one or 2 tracks.
>
> What one album of each group would list members
> recommend that I listen to, to be converted?
>
> Mark
>
> Ps If  the Carpetcrawlers is one of Genesis's greatest
> tracks forget them.
>
>

Agreed!

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Verzonden: 15-12-07 12:16
Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts

Hessel,
I would agree with Mark although IMO a close 2nd to ISOTLC would be On 
The Threshold of A Dream.
Genesis-mine would be Foxtrot.
Pete
p.s.Carpert Crawlers does nothing for me either

Hessel Herder wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> IMHO I would say:
>
> Genesis: Nursery Cryme.The first track 'Musical Box' and the album's closing track 'Fountain of Salmacis' never stop fascinating me.
>
> Moody Blues: all 7 core albums from Days Of Future Passed until Seventh Sojourn,but if I had to pick one,'In Search Of The Lost Chord'.Beautiful songs, beautifully recorded /mixed/segued.
>
> Well,tonight anyway : )
>
> Cheers,H
>
> #920
>
>
>  elijk bericht -----
> Van: "Mark Pring" <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
> Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Verzonden: 15-12-07 1:22
> Onderwerp: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts
>
> I have been wondering recently if I should perhaps
> give the Moody Blues and Genesis a second chance.
> Quite a lot of my favourite music now was music that I
> didn't like that much when I first heard it. I haven't
> listened to either band for over 30 years except for
> one or 2 tracks.
>
> What one album of each group would list members
> recommend that I listen to, to be converted?
>
> Mark
>
> Ps If  the Carpetcrawlers is one of Genesis's greatest
> tracks forget them.
>
>

Mark, I can't express a real opinion on Genesis as I only ever really 
heard the stuff that got radio play like Watcher and Lamb (need to 
explore them myself), the Moodies on the other hand, well my faves, in 
order, are:

1. To Our Children's Children's Children
2. In Search Of The Lost Chord
3. Seventh Sojourn
4. Days Of Future Passed
5. On The Threshhold Of A Dream
6. A Question Of Balance
7. Every Good Boy Deserves Favour

They've all benefited greatly from Justin Hayward's songwriting and 
vocal talent, Mike Pinder's Tron brilliance and what in hindsight 
appears to have been creative leadership, and Tony Clarke's production.  
All have some great songs on them, though the last three are marred by 
some really BAAAD ones, too. 

On the down side, numbers 4, 2, 5, and 1 all have Graeme Edge's 
horrendously bad poetry being read by Mike Pinder as either openers or 
closers (or both in a couple of cases).  Cool to embarrassing when I was 
a kid, now just sad.  Then there's Ray Thomas...in spite of writing one 
of their biggest hits (Legend Of A Mind) and a couple of other decent 
songs, his presence after ISOTLC is, like Graeme's poetry, pretty much 
embarrassing. 

When Pinder walked away from the band during the recording of Octave, 
the creative soul of the band seemed to have left with him, and, with 
the exception of a couple of songs that Hayward would manage to squeeze 
out over the ensuing decades, the band became a more or less an oldies 
act overnight.  At least that's my take on it - your mileage may vary.

johnb
1407


Mark Pring wrote:

>
> I have been wondering recently if I should perhaps
> give the Moody Blues and Genesis a second chance.
> Quite a lot of my favourite music now was music that I
> didn't like that much when I first heard it. I haven't
> listened to either band for over 30 years except for
> one or 2 tracks.
>
> What one album of each group would list members
> recommend that I listen to, to be converted?
>
> Mark
>
> Ps If the Carpetcrawlers is one of Genesis's greatest
> tracks forget them.
>
>
>
>

> I have been wondering recently if I should perhaps give the Moody 
Blues and Genesis a second chance.

Don't.

Seriously...just don't.

Mike

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick <astroboy@...> 
wrote:
Then there's Ray Thomas...in spite of writing one of their biggest hits 
(Legend Of A Mind) and a couple of other decent songs, his presence 
after ISOTLC is, like Graeme's poetry, pretty much embarrassing.

I didn't have a problem with Graeme's poetry, but I agree about Ray.

Carpet Crawlers was a bathroom trip...

Selling England, Genesis Live and Foxtrot did it...

As far as the Moodies?  I never got past "Tuesday Afternoon"...  After that it all sounds the same...  Sorry...
 
"But when you think of me tune in the frequency, Come out and play come out and play"
...Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams

 "Nothing can change the shape of things to come." 
...Max Frost
 
"Any talent that we are born with eventually surfaces as a need"
...Marsha Sinetar

----- Original Message ----
From: Hessel Herder <hessel@soundscape.nl>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:33:56 AM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts

Agreed!

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Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts

Hessel,
I would agree with Mark although IMO a close 2nd to ISOTLC would be On 
The Threshold of A Dream.
Genesis-mine would be Foxtrot.
Pete
p.s.Carpert Crawlers does nothing for me either

Hessel Herder wrote:
> Hi Mark
>
> IMHO I would say:
>
> Genesis: Nursery Cryme.The first track 'Musical Box' and the album's closing track 'Fountain of Salmacis' never stop fascinating me.
>
> Moody Blues: all 7 core albums from Days Of Future Passed until Seventh Sojourn,but if I had to pick one,'In Search Of The Lost Chord'.Beautiful songs, beautifully recorded /mixed/segued.
>
> Well,tonight anyway : )
>
> Cheers,H
>
> #920
>
>
> elijk bericht -----
> Van: "Mark Pring" <markpringnz@ yahoo.com>
> Aan: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Verzonden: 15-12-07 1:22
> Onderwerp: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts
>
> I have been wondering recently if I should perhaps
> give the Moody Blues and Genesis a second chance.
> Quite a lot of my favourite music now was music that I
> didn't like that much when I first heard it. I haven't
> listened to either band for over 30 years except for
> one or 2 tracks.
>
> What one album of each group would list members
> recommend that I listen to, to be converted?
>
> Mark
>
> Ps If the Carpetcrawlers is one of Genesis's greatest
> tracks forget them.
>
> 





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In a message dated 15/12/2007 16:34:28 GMT Standard Time,  
ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:

I  didn't have a problem with Graeme's poetry


It's all a load of cock and always has been.  The Lost Chord  stuff is 
probably the very worst.  Just my opinion...which is right.
 
Martin
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Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played live?


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Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts

Mark, I can't express a real opinion on Genesis as I only ever really 
heard the stuff that got radio play like Watcher and Lamb (need to 
explore them myself), the Moodies on the other hand, well my faves, in 
order, are:

1. To Our Children's Children's Children
2. In Search Of The Lost Chord
3. Seventh Sojourn
4. Days Of Future Passed
5. On The Threshhold Of A Dream
6. A Question Of Balance
7. Every Good Boy Deserves Favour

They've all benefited greatly from Justin Hayward's songwriting and 
vocal talent, Mike Pinder's Tron brilliance and what in hindsight 
appears to have been creative leadership, and Tony Clarke's production.  
All have some great songs on them, though the last three are marred by 
some really BAAAD ones, too. 

On the down side, numbers 4, 2, 5, and 1 all have Graeme Edge's 
horrendously bad poetry being read by Mike Pinder as either openers or 
closers (or both in a couple of cases).  Cool to embarrassing when I was 
a kid, now just sad.  Then there's Ray Thomas...in spite of writing one 
of their biggest hits (Legend Of A Mind) and a couple of other decent 
songs, his presence after ISOTLC is, like Graeme's poetry, pretty much 
embarrassing. 

When Pinder walked away from the band during the recording of Octave, 
the creative soul of the band seemed to have left with him, and, with 
the exception of a couple of songs that Hayward would manage to squeeze 
out over the ensuing decades, the band became a more or less an oldies 
act overnight.  At least that's my take on it - your mileage may vary.

johnb
1407


Mark Pring wrote:

>
> I have been wondering recently if I should perhaps
> give the Moody Blues and Genesis a second chance.
> Quite a lot of my favourite music now was music that I
> didn't like that much when I first heard it. I haven't
> listened to either band for over 30 years except for
> one or 2 tracks.
>
> What one album of each group would list members
> recommend that I listen to, to be converted?
>
> Mark
>
> Ps If the Carpetcrawlers is one of Genesis's greatest
> tracks forget them.
>
>
>
>

Come on Rick,allow Pinder to shine : )



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Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts


On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel Herder wrote:

> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played live?

I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to the punch:

One hopes not.

=)

In a cultural climate where there is so little being done that is new it
is hard for me to look back critically and nitpick at the Moody Blues.
Their tenuous, odd chemistry is at least still noteworthy after all these
years. I like the fact that they tried strange things. If Graeme Edge
thought of putting poetry in they let it happen. I can even tolerate the
falsetto harmonies for the reason of creative liberty, I know that Ray
Thomas added a lot of the sundry instruments that were not mellotron and
added dimension to the music. Too many bands are second guessing
themselves.
What I ma really curious about is what made Pinder pack it in after
reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some of that creative liberty
broke down in the band. did he just get sick of playing the mellotrons and
chamberlins?

>
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "Rick Blechta" <rick@rickblechta.com>
> Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
> Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel Herder wrote:
>
>> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played live?
>
> I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to the punch:
>
> One hopes not.
>
> =)
>

Most sources document that Ian left Crimson because he was deeply missing
his girlfriend while on that famous 1969 tour of the US (where I saw them at
the West Palm Beach Festival). Ian and Michael Giles were also tired of
playing "gloomy" songs. So while driving up the west coast on their way to
their last gig at the Fillmore, they told Fripp that they were quitting.
Fripp was very quiet in the front seat. (Ian documents all this in his
diary). 

 

It was also interesting that The Nice were playing with King Crimson during
their Fillmore appearance. This is where Greg Lake met Keith Emerson. The
rest is history.

 

  _____  

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:41 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts

 

I asked Ian McDonald why he left King Crimson and he couldn't give me an
answer that really meant anything. It was sort of sad. I wonder where they
would have gone if the band had stayed intact for a few more albums.

 

Rick

Thanks to everyone for their advice
So Foxtrot and To our children's children it is.
Caterwauling is getting steadily better

Mark


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Hi folks-

   Some new insight into Mike Pinder's decision can be
found in the group's new DVD biography.  Seems someone
may have rubbed the drummer wrong.  A long video, but
worth the watch (once).  Not enough time is spent
concerning the Mellotron's role, though.

   -Bruce D.


--- Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Thomas C. Doncourt
> wrote:
> 
> > What I am really curious about is what made Pinder
> pack it in after
> > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some
> of that creative  
> > liberty
> > broke down in the band. Did he just get sick of
> playing the  
> > mellotrons and
> > chamberlins?
> 
> Someone who knows him should ask.
> 
> I asked Ian McDonald why he left King Crimson and he
> couldn't give me  
> an answer that really meant anything. It was sort of
> sad. I wonder  
> where they would have gone if the band had stayed
> intact for a few  
> more albums.
> 
> Rick



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Is it 'nitpicking' to say that everything they ever did or thought about 
doing was bloody awful?

Mike

Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:

>
>
> In a cultural climate where there is so little being done that is new it
> is hard for me to look back critically and nitpick at the Moody Blues.
> Their tenuous, odd chemistry is at least still noteworthy after all these
> years. I like the fact that they tried strange things. If Graeme Edge
> thought of putting poetry in they let it happen. I can even tolerate the
> falsetto harmonies for the reason of creative liberty, I know that Ray
> Thomas added a lot of the sundry instruments that were not mellotron and
> added dimension to the music. Too many bands are second guessing
> themselves.
> What I ma really curious about is what made Pinder pack it in after
> reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some of that creative liberty
> broke down in the band. did he just get sick of playing the mellotrons and
> chamberlins?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > Van: "Rick Blechta" <rick@rickblechta.com 
> <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>>
> > Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
> > Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts
> >
> >
> > On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel Herder wrote:
> >
> >> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played live?
> >
> > I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to the punch:
> >
> > One hopes not.
> >
> > =)
> >
>
>

I rather imagine KC would have gone on much the way it did without 
McDonald or any of the rest of them. Whatever else he may say in his 
*strange autistic way* KC always has and always will be about Fripp. 
That he uses other people as a foil for his ideas is perhaps 
significant, but he could be using anyone. (*)

Mike

(*) I just know in advance that this remark is going to be misunderstood.

Rick Blechta wrote:

>
>
> On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:
>
>> What I am really curious about is what made Pinder pack it in after
>> reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some of that creative liberty
>> broke down in the band. Did he just get sick of playing the 
>> mellotrons and
>> chamberlins?
>
> Someone who knows him should ask.
>
> I asked Ian McDonald why he left King Crimson and he couldn't give me 
> an answer that really meant anything. It was sort of sad. I wonder 
> where they would have gone if the band had stayed intact for a few 
> more albums.
>
> Rick
>

Hi Mike
I am curious, what is your favourite music?

Mark

--- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is it 'nitpicking' to say that everything they ever
> did or thought about 
> doing was bloody awful?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a cultural climate where there is so little
> being done that is new it
> > is hard for me to look back critically and nitpick
> at the Moody Blues.
> > Their tenuous, odd chemistry is at least still
> noteworthy after all these
> > years. I like the fact that they tried strange
> things. If Graeme Edge
> > thought of putting poetry in they let it happen. I
> can even tolerate the
> > falsetto harmonies for the reason of creative
> liberty, I know that Ray
> > Thomas added a lot of the sundry instruments that
> were not mellotron and
> > added dimension to the music. Too many bands are
> second guessing
> > themselves.
> > What I ma really curious about is what made Pinder
> pack it in after
> > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some
> of that creative liberty
> > broke down in the band. did he just get sick of
> playing the mellotrons and
> > chamberlins?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > > Van: "Rick Blechta" <rick@rickblechta.com 
> > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>>
> > > Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
> > > Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second
> thoughts
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel Herder
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played live?
> > >
> > > I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to the
> punch:
> > >
> > > One hopes not.
> > >
> > > =)
> > >
> >
> >  
> 
> 
> 



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According to what Ian told me, Fripp (shamefully) told him that he *was* 
in the band in about three weeks before pulling the plug on the whole 
venture. Of course, Ian's memory may be tinged with the most alarming 
vodka cocktails I have ever had the misfortune to attempt:

VODKA MCDONALD

1. Take a tall glass.
2. Fill it to within an inch of the top with vodka. The stronger the 
better.
3. Drizzle in a few drops of weak orange or cordial to colour it.
4. Fill it right up with vodka.
5. Hand it over, saying 'now this is a *real* drink...'
6. Get morose.

Mike

Rick Blechta wrote:

>
>
> On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:52 PM, David Jacques wrote:
>
>> Most sources document that Ian left Crimson because he was deeply 
>> missing his girlfriend while on that famous 1969 tour of 
>> the US (where I saw them at the West Palm Beach Festival). Ian and 
>> Michael Giles were also tired of playing \ufffdgloomy\ufffd songs. So while 
>> driving up the west coast on their way to their last gig at the 
>> Fillmore, they told Fripp that they were quitting. Fripp was very 
>> quiet in the front seat. (Ian documents all this in his diary).
>>
> That was then, my experience was in 2001. Funny how time changes 
> things in one's mind. The one thing Ian did say is that he should have 
> taken a month off after that tour to just get his head back together. 
> Missing a girlfriend (long since gone) is no reason to leave a very 
> successful band, and he acknowledged that. Basically, all the reasons 
> he had at the time were nothing in the great scheme of things.
>
> A few years later, he was all set to join the band again.
>
> Rick
>

Which DVD is that?

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo.com>
Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Verzonden: 16-12-07 8:25
Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts

Hi folks-

   Some new insight into Mike Pinder's decision can be
found in the group's new DVD biography.  Seems someone
may have rubbed the drummer wrong.  A long video, but
worth the watch (once).  Not enough time is spent
concerning the Mellotron's role, though.

   -Bruce D.


--- Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Thomas C. Doncourt
> wrote:
> 
> > What I am really curious about is what made Pinder
> pack it in after
> > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some
> of that creative  
> > liberty
> > broke down in the band. Did he just get sick of
> playing the  
> > mellotrons and
> > chamberlins?
> 
> Someone who knows him should ask.
> 
> I asked Ian McDonald why he left King Crimson and he
> couldn't give me  
> an answer that really meant anything. It was sort of
> sad. I wonder  
> where they would have gone if the band had stayed
> intact for a few  
> more albums.
> 
> Rick



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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Hessel Herder <hessel@...> wrote:
> Which DVD is that?

"Classic Artists" series - here's a link to the Amazon.co.uk entry for it:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Moody-Blues-Classic-
Artist/dp/B000JLQS2Y/ref=pd_ys_ir_all_12

From these interviews and indeed others, the Core 7 Moodies work did seem to be based 
around a Hayward/Pinder core of arrangements, Hayward for vocals in particular, and 
Pinder for overall instrumental arrangements.

Regarding the Octave sessions, it looks like everything that could go wrong did go wrong 
(the original studios burning down, landslides cutting off Pinder's studio in CA (where they 
retreated to), Clarke's relationship difficulties, four of the five being away from home), 
that the studio atmosphere between the band members was far from perfect, and that 
Pinder in particular felt the band was going somewhere he didn't particularly want to go.  
With a bit of speculation, I'd say that having worked together solidly for eight years (66-
74), and having each gone away to do their own things - with other musicians, working in 
different ways - between 74-78, getting back together and doing stuff "the old way" 
would never be easy.  And, of course, Pinder didn't want to tour.

As for a recommendation - as above: Children's Children's Children and Seventh Sojourn 
would be mine; for Tron in big bendy slices, Threshold of a Dream ("The Voyage").  

And I don't know, everyone always seems to criticise Ray Thomas, but I've got to say that 
for the most part, his light-hearted contributions were a counterpoint for the more 
mystical stuff (and why should everything be serious all the time), and don't forget that 
not everything he penned involved butterflies, Antarctic eels, or tea and buttered scones: 
Eternity Road, And The Tide Rushes In, and For My Lady show a different side.

Anyway, 'twas the Moodies who introduced me to the Mellotron, so I'm not complaining!

Owen

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mark Pring <markpringnz@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi Mike
> I am curious, what is your favourite music?
> 
> Mark

I hear that he's a big Hannah Montana fan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW2Ryfv0gXU
Great lyrics.

Hessel,
I thought I had on a boot but no luck.Did some web searching and found a 
song from '71 I never heard called the Dreamer.Anyone else heard this 
before?
Pete

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUS2ZLwr6As&feature=related
Hessel Herder wrote:
> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played live?
>

I've never heard it before, and in spite of my previous comments about 
Ray, have to say that it's better than a lot of the material included on 
EGBDF.  One can almost hear the Tron accompaniment that Pinder would 
have played on it.
johnb

pete wrote:

>
> Hessel,
> I thought I had on a boot but no luck.Did some web searching and found a
> song from '71 I never heard called the Dreamer.Anyone else heard this
> before?
> Pete
>

I also found on you tube a track called Island-it states it's a M.B.song 
but to my ears it sounds more like a J.Hayward solo song.-Anyone?
Pete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCtR-EQ7d3g&feature=related

On Dec 16, 2007, at 9:59 AM, john barrick wrote:

> One can almost hear the Tron accompaniment that Pinder would
> have played on it.

That's the result of using too much echo...


Either that, or bad drugs.

uh, wha...

Rick Blechta wrote:

> Either that, or bad drugs.
>
> _

Things a bit more challenging than *prog rock* it must be said.

Mike

Mark Pring wrote:

>
> Hi Mike
> I am curious, what is your favourite music?
>
> Mark
>
> --- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com 
> <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Is it 'nitpicking' to say that everything they ever
> > did or thought about
> > doing was bloody awful?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > In a cultural climate where there is so little
> > being done that is new it
> > > is hard for me to look back critically and nitpick
> > at the Moody Blues.
> > > Their tenuous, odd chemistry is at least still
> > noteworthy after all these
> > > years. I like the fact that they tried strange
> > things. If Graeme Edge
> > > thought of putting poetry in they let it happen. I
> > can even tolerate the
> > > falsetto harmonies for the reason of creative
> > liberty, I know that Ray
> > > Thomas added a lot of the sundry instruments that
> > were not mellotron and
> > > added dimension to the music. Too many bands are
> > second guessing
> > > themselves.
> > > What I ma really curious about is what made Pinder
> > pack it in after
> > > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some
> > of that creative liberty
> > > broke down in the band. did he just get sick of
> > playing the mellotrons and
> > > chamberlins?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > > > Van: "Rick Blechta" <rick@rickblechta.com 
> <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>>
> > > > Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
> > > > Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second
> > thoughts
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel Herder
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played live?
> > > >
> > > > I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to the
> > punch:
> > > >
> > > > One hopes not.
> > > >
> > > > =)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Mike Dickson wrote:

>
> Things a bit more challenging than *prog rock* it must be said.
>
> Mike
>
> Mark Pring wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike
> > I am curious, what is your favourite music?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com 
> <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>
> > <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Is it 'nitpicking' to say that everything they ever
> > > did or thought about
> > > doing was bloody awful?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a cultural climate where there is so little
> > > being done that is new it
> > > > is hard for me to look back critically and nitpick
> > > at the Moody Blues.
> > > > Their tenuous, odd chemistry is at least still
> > > noteworthy after all these
> > > > years. I like the fact that they tried strange
> > > things. If Graeme Edge
> > > > thought of putting poetry in they let it happen. I
> > > can even tolerate the
> > > > falsetto harmonies for the reason of creative
> > > liberty, I know that Ray
> > > > Thomas added a lot of the sundry instruments that
> > > were not mellotron and
> > > > added dimension to the music. Too many bands are
> > > second guessing
> > > > themselves.
> > > > What I ma really curious about is what made Pinder
> > > pack it in after
> > > > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some
> > > of that creative liberty
> > > > broke down in the band. did he just get sick of
> > > playing the mellotrons and
> > > > chamberlins?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > > > > Van: "Rick Blechta" <rick@rickblechta.com 
> <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > > > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>>
> > > > > Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
> > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second
> > > thoughts
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel Herder
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played live?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to the
> > > punch:
> > > > >
> > > > > One hopes not.
> > > > >
> > > > > =)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson
<mike.dickson@...> wrote:
>
> According to what Ian told me, Fripp (shamefully) told him that he
*was* 
> in the band in about three weeks before pulling the plug on the whole 
> venture. Of course, Ian's memory may be tinged with the most alarming 
> vodka cocktails I have ever had the misfortune to attempt:
> 
> VODKA MCDONALD
> 
> 1. Take a tall glass.
> 2. Fill it to within an inch of the top with vodka. The stronger the 
> better.
> 3. Drizzle in a few drops of weak orange or cordial to colour it.
> 4. Fill it right up with vodka.
> 5. Hand it over, saying 'now this is a *real* drink...'
> 6. Get morose.
> 
> Mike

Aha, the infamous VODKA MCDONALD! :-()

I found that song on YouTube a while ago.  It sounds like the real 
deal to me; from both the application of mellotron/chamberlin and the 
drum work.  The drumming sounds (to me) very much like Greame Edge of 
the early 70's.  

I had a copy of 'Blue Jays' (now lost), where Hayward and Lodge tried 
to keep working after '74.  The sound is very MoodyBlues-lite, but 
showed the sensitivity of the old Moodies to personnel changes.  That 
makes it hard for me to believe "Islands" is a Hayward solo effort.  

Does anybody here actually know the pedigree of that song?

TEM
Canton, MI

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, pete <marabus@...> wrote:
>
> I also found on you tube a track called Island-it states it's a 
M.B.song 

> but to my ears it sounds more like a J.Hayward solo song.-Anyone?
> Pete
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCtR-EQ7d3g&feature=related
>

--- ceccles_ca <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

> I hear that he's a big Hannah Montana fan.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW2Ryfv0gXU
> Great lyrics.
> 
> 
Likes the great JSB then

Mark


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Could you be more specific?

Mark
--- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

> Things a bit more challenging than *prog rock* it
> must be said.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mark Pring wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike
> > I am curious, what is your favourite music?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Is it 'nitpicking' to say that everything they
> ever
> > > did or thought about
> > > doing was bloody awful?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a cultural climate where there is so little
> > > being done that is new it
> > > > is hard for me to look back critically and
> nitpick
> > > at the Moody Blues.
> > > > Their tenuous, odd chemistry is at least still
> > > noteworthy after all these
> > > > years. I like the fact that they tried strange
> > > things. If Graeme Edge
> > > > thought of putting poetry in they let it
> happen. I
> > > can even tolerate the
> > > > falsetto harmonies for the reason of creative
> > > liberty, I know that Ray
> > > > Thomas added a lot of the sundry instruments
> that
> > > were not mellotron and
> > > > added dimension to the music. Too many bands
> are
> > > second guessing
> > > > themselves.
> > > > What I ma really curious about is what made
> Pinder
> > > pack it in after
> > > > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if
> some
> > > of that creative liberty
> > > > broke down in the band. did he just get sick
> of
> > > playing the mellotrons and
> > > > chamberlins?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > > > > Van: "Rick Blechta" <rick@rickblechta.com 
> > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > > > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>>
> > > > > Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
> > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second
> > > thoughts
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel Herder
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played
> live?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to the
> > > punch:
> > > > >
> > > > > One hopes not.
> > > > >
> > > > > =)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Well, someone asked the question.

I find 95% of what passes for 'prog rock' to be ham-fisted, derivative 
and downright tedious. point is that I find most rock music per se to be 
in that same bracket. If you can synthesise something new out of what 
happened before (cf, Led Zep taking the ghost of Robert Johnson et al 
and welding it into rock and roll, or Zappa blending the arhythmic 
attitudes of early twentieth century composers with nearly *everything*, 
or Pink Floyd taking a fairly standard blues course and accidentally 
bumping into someone who had taken a barrowload of acid) then it's worth 
at least spending some time negotiating, at least for their early years 
when they at least had genuine inspiration. But for the great swathes of 
the rest, it's a course in homage, plagarism, noodling and general 
stupidity on a *monolithic* scale.

Right now it's Byrd and Weelkes getting an airing at my place. Next week 
it will be someone else.

Mike

john barrick wrote:

>
> well, let it not be said that Mike Dickson doesn't know how to kill a 
> party.
> johnb
>
> Mike Dickson wrote:
> >
> > Things a bit more challenging than *prog rock* it must be said.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mark Pring wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike
> > > I am curious, what is your favourite music?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > --- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com 
> <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>
> > <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is it 'nitpicking' to say that everything they ever
> > > > did or thought about
> > > > doing was bloody awful?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a cultural climate where there is so little
> > > > being done that is new it
> > > > > is hard for me to look back critically and nitpick
> > > > at the Moody Blues.
> > > > > Their tenuous, odd chemistry is at least still
> > > > noteworthy after all these
> > > > > years. I like the fact that they tried strange
> > > > things. If Graeme Edge
> > > > > thought of putting poetry in they let it happen. I
> > > > can even tolerate the
> > > > > falsetto harmonies for the reason of creative
> > > > liberty, I know that Ray
> > > > > Thomas added a lot of the sundry instruments that
> > > > were not mellotron and
> > > > > added dimension to the music. Too many bands are
> > > > second guessing
> > > > > themselves.
> > > > > What I ma really curious about is what made Pinder
> > > > pack it in after
> > > > > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some
> > > > of that creative liberty
> > > > > broke down in the band. did he just get sick of
> > > > playing the mellotrons and
> > > > > chamberlins?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > > > > > Van: "Rick Blechta" <rick@rickblechta.com 
> <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > > > > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>>
> > > > > > Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
> > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second
> > > > thoughts
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel Herder
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played live?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to the
> > > > punch:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One hopes not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Yes, I could.

Mark Pring wrote:
>
> Could you be more specific?
>
> Mark
> --- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com 
> <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Things a bit more challenging than *prog rock* it
> > must be said.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mark Pring wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike
> > > I am curious, what is your favourite music?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > --- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com 
> <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is it 'nitpicking' to say that everything they
> > ever
> > > > did or thought about
> > > > doing was bloody awful?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a cultural climate where there is so little
> > > > being done that is new it
> > > > > is hard for me to look back critically and
> > nitpick
> > > > at the Moody Blues.
> > > > > Their tenuous, odd chemistry is at least still
> > > > noteworthy after all these
> > > > > years. I like the fact that they tried strange
> > > > things. If Graeme Edge
> > > > > thought of putting poetry in they let it
> > happen. I
> > > > can even tolerate the
> > > > > falsetto harmonies for the reason of creative
> > > > liberty, I know that Ray
> > > > > Thomas added a lot of the sundry instruments
> > that
> > > > were not mellotron and
> > > > > added dimension to the music. Too many bands
> > are
> > > > second guessing
> > > > > themselves.
> > > > > What I ma really curious about is what made
> > Pinder
> > > > pack it in after
> > > > > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if
> > some
> > > > of that creative liberty
> > > > > broke down in the band. did he just get sick
> > of
> > > > playing the mellotrons and
> > > > > chamberlins?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > > > > > Van: "Rick Blechta" <rick@rickblechta.com 
> <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > > > > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>>
> > > > > > Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
> > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second
> > > > thoughts
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel Herder
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played
> > live?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to the
> > > > punch:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One hopes not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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It's good to know that you are a Zep,Zap,Floyd fan...

Me too...

And what hurts most people is that you get a better dose of Tron from Zep then you do from others...

... Except BJH...  Good job Wooly...
 
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----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:40:07 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts

Well, someone asked the question.

I find 95% of what passes for 'prog rock' to be ham-fisted, derivative 
and downright tedious. point is that I find most rock music per se to be 
in that same bracket. If you can synthesise something new out of what 
happened before (cf, Led Zep taking the ghost of Robert Johnson et al 
and welding it into rock and roll, or Zappa blending the arhythmic 
attitudes of early twentieth century composers with nearly *everything* , 
or Pink Floyd taking a fairly standard blues course and accidentally 
bumping into someone who had taken a barrowload of acid) then it's worth 
at least spending some time negotiating, at least for their early years 
when they at least had genuine inspiration. But for the great swathes of 
the rest, it's a course in homage, plagarism, noodling and general 
stupidity on a *monolithic* scale.

Right now it's Byrd and Weelkes getting an airing at my place. Next week 
it will be someone else.

Mike

john barrick wrote:
>
> well, let it not be said that Mike Dickson doesn't know how to kill a 
> party.
> johnb
>
> Mike Dickson wrote:
> >
> > Things a bit more challenging than *prog rock* it must be said.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mark Pring wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike
> > > I am curious, what is your favourite music?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > --- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@ gmail.com 
> <mailto:mike. dickson%40gmail. com>
> > <mailto:mike. dickson%40gmail. com>
> > > <mailto:mike. dickson%40gmail. com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is it 'nitpicking' to say that everything they ever
> > > > did or thought about
> > > > doing was bloody awful?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a cultural climate where there is so little
> > > > being done that is new it
> > > > > is hard for me to look back critically and nitpick
> > > > at the Moody Blues.
> > > > > Their tenuous, odd chemistry is at least still
> > > > noteworthy after all these
> > > > > years. I like the fact that they tried strange
> > > > things. If Graeme Edge
> > > > > thought of putting poetry in they let it happen. I
> > > > can even tolerate the
> > > > > falsetto harmonies for the reason of creative
> > > > liberty, I know that Ray
> > > > > Thomas added a lot of the sundry instruments that
> > > > were not mellotron and
> > > > > added dimension to the music. Too many bands are
> > > > second guessing
> > > > > themselves.
> > > > > What I ma really curious about is what made Pinder
> > > > pack it in after
> > > > > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some
> > > > of that creative liberty
> > > > > broke down in the band. did he just get sick of
> > > > playing the mellotrons and
> > > > > chamberlins?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > > > > > Van: "Rick Blechta" <rick@rickblechta. com 
> <mailto:rick% 40rickblechta. com>
> > <mailto:rick% 40rickblechta. com>
> > > <mailto:rick% 40rickblechta. com>
> > > > > <mailto:rick% 40rickblechta. com>>
> > > > > > Aan: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com 
> <mailto:newmellotro ngroup%40yahoogr oups.com>
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> > > > > <mailto:newmellotro ngroup%40yahoogr oups.com>
> > > > > > Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
> > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second
> > > > thoughts
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel Herder
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played live?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to the
> > > > punch:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One hopes not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =)
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Thanks Mike, you were, it was me that asked the
question. I have just got 3 CDs of Lady Nevells Book
played by Elizabeth Farr, hence my other post re
harpsichords.

Mark
--- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, I could.
> 
> Mark Pring wrote:
> >
> > Could you be more specific?
> >
> > Mark
> > --- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Things a bit more challenging than *prog rock*
> it
> > > must be said.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Mark Pring wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike
> > > > I am curious, what is your favourite music?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > --- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>
> > > > <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is it 'nitpicking' to say that everything
> they
> > > ever
> > > > > did or thought about
> > > > > doing was bloody awful?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a cultural climate where there is so
> little
> > > > > being done that is new it
> > > > > > is hard for me to look back critically and
> > > nitpick
> > > > > at the Moody Blues.
> > > > > > Their tenuous, odd chemistry is at least
> still
> > > > > noteworthy after all these
> > > > > > years. I like the fact that they tried
> strange
> > > > > things. If Graeme Edge
> > > > > > thought of putting poetry in they let it
> > > happen. I
> > > > > can even tolerate the
> > > > > > falsetto harmonies for the reason of
> creative
> > > > > liberty, I know that Ray
> > > > > > Thomas added a lot of the sundry
> instruments
> > > that
> > > > > were not mellotron and
> > > > > > added dimension to the music. Too many
> bands
> > > are
> > > > > second guessing
> > > > > > themselves.
> > > > > > What I ma really curious about is what
> made
> > > Pinder
> > > > > pack it in after
> > > > > > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder
> if
> > > some
> > > > > of that creative liberty
> > > > > > broke down in the band. did he just get
> sick
> > > of
> > > > > playing the mellotrons and
> > > > > > chamberlins?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > > > > > > Van: "Rick Blechta"
> <rick@rickblechta.com 
> > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > > > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>>
> > > > > > > Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
> > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup]
> Second
> > > > > thoughts
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel
> Herder
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played
> > > live?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to
> the
> > > > > punch:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One hopes not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > =)
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It is a 2-DVD biography from the "Classic Artist"
series, with a bonus CD of early rarities.  Picture on
the front is derived from the "On the Threshold of a
Dream' session.  Released in 2007.  It has many new
iterviews, including Mike Pinder.

   -Bruce D.


--- Hessel Herder <hessel@soundscape.nl> wrote:

> Which DVD is that?
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo.com>
> Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Verzonden: 16-12-07 8:25
> Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts
> 
> Hi folks-
> 
>    Some new insight into Mike Pinder's decision can
> be
> found in the group's new DVD biography.  Seems
> someone
> may have rubbed the drummer wrong.  A long video,
> but
> worth the watch (once).  Not enough time is spent
> concerning the Mellotron's role, though.
> 
>    -Bruce D.
> 
> 
> --- Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Thomas C. Doncourt
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > What I am really curious about is what made
> Pinder
> > pack it in after
> > > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some
> > of that creative  
> > > liberty
> > > broke down in the band. Did he just get sick of
> > playing the  
> > > mellotrons and
> > > chamberlins?
> > 
> > Someone who knows him should ask.
> > 
> > I asked Ian McDonald why he left King Crimson and
> he
> > couldn't give me  
> > an answer that really meant anything. It was sort
> of
> > sad. I wonder  
> > where they would have gone if the band had stayed
> > intact for a few  
> > more albums.
> > 
> > Rick
> 
> 
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The SACD liner notes indicate that "Island" was the
only song recorded for an immediate follow-up to
"Seventh Sojourn", then the project was aborted for
lack of spirited interest.

   -Bruce D.


--- Bob Snyder <bob.snyder@cox.net> wrote:


---------------------------------
                  
"Island" would seem to be an authentic MB recording as
it was one ofthe four bonus tracks on the SACD release
of Seventh Sojourn that cameout in April of this year.

Bob S.


trolldelux wrote:    
I found that song on YouTube a while ago. It sounds
like the real 
deal to me; from both the application of
mellotron/chamberlin andthe 
drum work. The drumming sounds (to me) very much like
Greame Edge of 
the early 70's. 
  
I had a copy of 'Blue Jays' (now lost), where Hayward
and Lodge tried 
to keep working after '74. The sound is very
MoodyBlues-lite, but 
showed the sensitivity of the old Moodies to personnel
changes. That 
makes it hard for me to believe "Islands" is a Hayward
solo effort. 
  
Does anybody here actually know the pedigree of that
song?
  
TEM
Canton, MI
  
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com,pete
<marabus@...> wrote:
>
> I also found on you tube a track called Island-it
states it's a 
M.B.song 
> but to my ears it sounds more like a J.Hayward solo
song.-Anyone?
> Pete
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCtR-EQ7d3g&feature=related
>
  



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And, for a previous enquiry, Ray Thomas's "Dreamer" was an unused track from around 
the time of Every Good Boy Deserves Favour, and can be found on the SACD of the same 
name.

Also on the SACD of Seventh Sojourn is a different mix of "Lost In A Lost World" - it's the 
same Chamberlin arrangement as that on the released version (bar the introduction), but 
with a different accompaniment from everyone else (and no vocals) so a little clearer.  And 
not to forget the bonus middle bit of "Isn't Life Strange" which is out-and-out whitewash 
Chamberlin (with Thomas flute) for a few minutes.

For completionists, the other "new" track can be found on the Question of Balance SACD, 
Pinder's "Mike's Number One" (working title!).  This is a very rough mix with some very 
rough Tron!

Owen


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:

>
> The SACD liner notes indicate that "Island" was the
> only song recorded for an immediate follow-up to
> "Seventh Sojourn", then the project was aborted for
> lack of spirited interest.
> 
>    -Bruce D.

Thanks Bob for the info.
Pete

Bob Snyder wrote:

> "Island" would seem to be an authentic MB recording as it was one of 
> the four bonus tracks on the SACD release of Seventh Sojourn that came 
> out in April of this year.
>
> Bob S.

Well, that wasn't quite what I said. I said that the quality of their 
originality made them worth listening to. Zappa in particular has done 
an awful lot of sheer and utter nonsense, to my ears.

The only Mellotron I'm aware of from Zep is the flutes from 'Stairway' 
when sometimes played live, 'Rain Song' and a smattering on 'Kashmir'. I 
know that JPJ *hated* the thing with a rare passion.

As for BJH, I've yet to hear what it is about them that gets people so 
wound up.

Mike

zappaboggs wrote:
> Mike,
>  
> It's good to know that you are a Zep,Zap,Floyd fan...
>  
> Me too...
>  
> And what hurts most people is that you get a better dose of Tron from 
> Zep then you do from others...
>  
> ... Except BJH...  Good job Wooly...
>  
> /"But when you think of me tune in the frequency, Come out and play 
> come out and play"/
> /...Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams/
>
>  /"Nothing can change the shape of things to come." /
> /...Max Frost/
>  
> /"Any talent that we are born with eventually surfaces as a need"/
> /...Marsha Sinetar/
> //
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:40:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second thoughts
>
> Well, someone asked the question.
>
> I find 95% of what passes for 'prog rock' to be ham-fisted, derivative
> and downright tedious. point is that I find most rock music per se to be
> in that same bracket. If you can synthesise something new out of what
> happened before (cf, Led Zep taking the ghost of Robert Johnson et al
> and welding it into rock and roll, or Zappa blending the arhythmic
> attitudes of early twentieth century composers with nearly *everything* ,
> or Pink Floyd taking a fairly standard blues course and accidentally
> bumping into someone who had taken a barrowload of acid) then it's worth
> at least spending some time negotiating, at least for their early years
> when they at least had genuine inspiration. But for the great swathes of
> the rest, it's a course in homage, plagarism, noodling and general
> stupidity on a *monolithic* scale.
>
> Right now it's Byrd and Weelkes getting an airing at my place. Next week
> it will be someone else.
>
> Mike
>
> john barrick wrote:
> >
> > well, let it not be said that Mike Dickson doesn't know how to kill a
> > party.
> > johnb
> >
> > Mike Dickson wrote:
> > >
> > > Things a bit more challenging than *prog rock* it must be said.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Mark Pring wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike
> > > > I am curious, what is your favourite music?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > --- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@ gmail.com 
> <mailto:mike.dickson%40gmail.com>
> > <mailto:mike. dickson%40gmail. com>
> > > <mailto:mike. dickson%40gmail. com>
> > > > <mailto:mike. dickson%40gmail. com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is it 'nitpicking' to say that everything they ever
> > > > > did or thought about
> > > > > doing was bloody awful?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a cultural climate where there is so little
> > > > > being done that is new it
> > > > > > is hard for me to look back critically and nitpick
> > > > > at the Moody Blues.
> > > > > > Their tenuous, odd chemistry is at least still
> > > > > noteworthy after all these
> > > > > > years. I like the fact that they tried strange
> > > > > things. If Graeme Edge
> > > > > > thought of putting poetry in they let it happen. I
> > > > > can even tolerate the
> > > > > > falsetto harmonies for the reason of creative
> > > > > liberty, I know that Ray
> > > > > > Thomas added a lot of the sundry instruments that
> > > > > were not mellotron and
> > > > > > added dimension to the music. Too many bands are
> > > > > second guessing
> > > > > > themselves.
> > > > > > What I ma really curious about is what made Pinder
> > > > > pack it in after
> > > > > > reaching such a high note in 72.I wonder if some
> > > > > of that creative liberty
> > > > > > broke down in the band. did he just get sick of
> > > > > playing the mellotrons and
> > > > > > chamberlins?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > > > > > > Van: "Rick Blechta" <rick@rickblechta. com 
> <mailto:rick%40rickblechta.com>
> > <mailto:rick% 40rickblechta. com>
> > > <mailto:rick% 40rickblechta. com>
> > > > <mailto:rick% 40rickblechta. com>
> > > > > > <mailto:rick% 40rickblechta. com>>
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> > > > > > > Verzonden: 15-12-07 19:31
> > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Second
> > > > > thoughts
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Hessel Herder
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Has EGBDF's 'My Song' ever been played live?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll say it, if only to beat Mattias to the
> > > > > punch:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One hopes not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > =)
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--- Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

 
> As for BJH, I've yet to hear what it is about them
> that gets people so 
> wound up.
> 
> Mike

Some nice mellotron playing in the early stuff. I
think.

Mark


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