The Mellotron Group

> A good listen with headphones.
> The sound quality on YouTube seems to have improved.  If anything is going
> to have that MP3 gurgly sound, grand piano will.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4JRFFmlPCY&feature=related
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>

From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Anyone else see Chamberlin library for NordWave?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:31 AM


  



This library can be used with the Nord Wave and Nord Electro 3.
Here's the link:
http://www.clavia. se/main.asp? tm=Libraries& cllibr=Nord_ Sample_Library& clslib=Chamberli n

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "Thomas C. Doncourt" <tomdcour@.. .> wrote:
> A few weeks ago I checked the Clavia site and saw that tey had released a comprehensive collection of the Chamberlin library for the Nord Wave. It includes unlooped samples that are less compressed than the mellotron ones- sounds pretty good!

From:  ClayE <ecclesreinson@ecclesrein>
Subject:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: Anyone else see Chamberlin library for  
NordWave?
To: newmellotrongroup@To: newmelloTo:
Date:  Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:31 AM


 
This library can be used with the Nord Wave and Nord Electro  3.
Here's the link:
_http://www.clavia. se/main.asp?  tm=Libraries& cllibr=Nord_ 
Sample_Library& clslib=Chamberli  n_ 
(http://www.clavia.se/main.asp?tm=Libraries&cllibr=Nord_Sample_Library&clslib=Chamberlin) 

--- In _newmellotrongroup@  yahoogroups. com_ 
(http://us.mc636.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , "Thomas C. Doncourt" 
<tomdcour@.. .>  wrote:
> A few weeks ago I checked the Clavia site and saw that  tey had released 
a comprehensive collection of the Chamberlin library  for the Nord Wave. It 
includes unlooped samples that are less  compressed than the mellotron ones- 
sounds pretty  good!

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Anyone else see Chamberlin library for NordWave?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 8:38 PM


  




Looping? I saw that. I wonder why they would do that. I'm sure that the Nord Wave will let you do all the looping you want. Why force the issue?
 

In a message dated 4/5/2010 4:13:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
  






Hi all-
   I had to read the info on the Nord site, just to make sure I didn't miss something.  It says that the downloadable samples were taken directly from digital masters made from the master tape library.  No mention is made of transfering them to a Chamberlin (or Mellotron) before sampling, as they did for the 'Tron samples.  Of course they would sound clearer!  But something is definitely lost in the process if this is true.
   They also looped them! 
 
   -Bruce D.


--- On Mon, 4/5/10, ClayE <ecclesreinson@ rogers.com> wrote:


From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@ rogers.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Anyone else see Chamberlin library for NordWave?
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:31 AM


  

This library can be used with the Nord Wave and Nord Electro 3.
Here's the link:
http://www.clavia. se/main.asp? tm=Libraries& cllibr=Nord_ Sample_Library& clslib=Chamberli n

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "Thomas C. Doncourt" <tomdcour@.. .> wrote:
> A few weeks ago I checked the Clavia site and saw that tey had released a comprehensive collection of the Chamberlin library for the Nord Wave. It includes unlooped samples that are less compressed than the mellotron ones- sounds pretty good!

> Looping? I saw that. I wonder why they would do that. I'm sure that the
> Nord Wave will let you do all the looping you want. Why force the issue?
>
>
> In a message dated 4/5/2010 4:13:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> pocotron@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hi all-
>    I had to read the info on the Nord site, just to  make sure I didn't
> miss something.  It says that the downloadable  samples were taken
> directly
> from digital masters made from the  master tape library.  No mention is
> made of
> transfering them to a  Chamberlin (or Mellotron) before sampling, as they
> did for the 'Tron  samples.  Of course they would sound clearer!  But
> something  is definitely lost in the process if this is true.
>    They also looped them!
>
>    -Bruce D.
>
>
> --- On Mon, 4/5/10, ClayE  <ecclesreinson@ecclesrein> wrote:
>
>
>
> From:  ClayE <ecclesreinson@ecclesrein>
> Subject:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: Anyone else see Chamberlin library for
> NordWave?
> To: newmellotrongroup@To: newmelloTo:
> Date:  Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:31 AM
>
>
>
> This library can be used with the Nord Wave and Nord Electro  3.
> Here's the link:
> _http://www.clavia. se/main.asp?  tm=Libraries& cllibr=Nord_
> Sample_Library& clslib=Chamberli  n_
> (http://www.clavia.se/main.asp?tm=Libraries&cllibr=Nord_Sample_Library&clslib=Chamberlin)
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@  yahoogroups. com_
> (http://us.mc636.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?toewmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)
> , "Thomas C. Doncourt"
> <tomdcour@.. .>  wrote:
>> A few weeks ago I checked the Clavia site and saw that  tey had released
> a comprehensive collection of the Chamberlin library  for the Nord Wave.
> It
> includes unlooped samples that are less  compressed than the mellotron
> ones-
> sounds pretty  good!
>
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>

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> The looped files are much smaller. On the Chamberlin library they give
> youa choice of looped or unlooped but they didn't do that for the
> mellotron sounds. The looped sounds use only a fraction of the entire
> sample.
> 
> > Looping? I saw that. I wonder why they would do that. I'm sure that the
> > Nord Wave will let you do all the looping you want. Why force the issue?
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/5/2010 4:13:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > pocotron@... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all-
> >    I had to read the info on the Nord site, just to  make sure I didn't
> > miss something.  It says that the downloadable  samples were taken
> > directly
> > from digital masters made from the  master tape library.  No mention is
> > made of
> > transfering them to a  Chamberlin (or Mellotron) before sampling, as they
> > did for the 'Tron  samples.  Of course they would sound clearer!  But
> > something  is definitely lost in the process if this is true.
> >    They also looped them!
> >
> >    -Bruce D.
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 4/5/10, ClayE  <ecclesreinson@ecclesrein> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From:  ClayE <ecclesreinson@ecclesrein>
> > Subject:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: Anyone else see Chamberlin library for
> > NordWave?
> > To: newmellotrongroup@To: newmelloTo:
> > Date:  Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:31 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > This library can be used with the Nord Wave and Nord Electro  3.
> > Here's the link:
> > _http://www.clavia. se/main.asp?  tm=Libraries& cllibr=Nord_
> > Sample_Library& clslib=Chamberli  n_
> > (http://www.clavia.se/main.asp?tm=Libraries&cllibr=Nord_Sample_Library&clslib=Chamberlin)
> >
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@  yahoogroups. com_
> > (http://us.mc636.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?toewmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)
> > , "Thomas C. Doncourt"
> > <tomdcour@ .>  wrote:
> >> A few weeks ago I checked the Clavia site and saw that  tey had released
> > a comprehensive collection of the Chamberlin library  for the Nord Wave.
> > It
> > includes unlooped samples that are less  compressed than the mellotron
> > ones-
> > sounds pretty  good!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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> How many different unlooped sounds can be loaded at one time? Can you load the entire Mellotron and Chamberlin libries?
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas C. Doncourt" <tomdcour@> wrote:
> >
> > The looped files are much smaller. On the Chamberlin library they give
> > youa choice of looped or unlooped but they didn't do that for the
> > mellotron sounds. The looped sounds use only a fraction of the entire
> > sample.
> > 
> > > Looping? I saw that. I wonder why they would do that. I'm sure that the
> > > Nord Wave will let you do all the looping you want. Why force the issue?
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 4/5/2010 4:13:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > pocotron@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all-
> > >    I had to read the info on the Nord site, just to  make sure I didn't
> > > miss something.  It says that the downloadable  samples were taken
> > > directly
> > > from digital masters made from the  master tape library.  No mention is
> > > made of
> > > transfering them to a  Chamberlin (or Mellotron) before sampling, as they
> > > did for the 'Tron  samples.  Of course they would sound clearer!  But
> > > something  is definitely lost in the process if this is true.
> > >    They also looped them!
> > >
> > >    -Bruce D.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 4/5/10, ClayE  <ecclesreinson@ecclesrein> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:  ClayE <ecclesreinson@ecclesrein>
> > > Subject:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: Anyone else see Chamberlin library for
> > > NordWave?
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@To: newmelloTo:
> > > Date:  Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:31 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This library can be used with the Nord Wave and Nord Electro  3.
> > > Here's the link:
> > > _http://www.clavia. se/main.asp?  tm=Libraries& cllibr=Nord_
> > > Sample_Library& clslib=Chamberli  n_
> > > (http://www.clavia.se/main.asp?tm=Libraries&cllibr=Nord_Sample_Library&clslib=Chamberlin)
> > >
> > > --- In _newmellotrongroup@  yahoogroups. com_
> > > (http://us.mc636.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?toewmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)
> > > , "Thomas C. Doncourt"
> > > <tomdcour@ .>  wrote:
> > >> A few weeks ago I checked the Clavia site and saw that  tey had released
> > > a comprehensive collection of the Chamberlin library  for the Nord Wave.
> > > It
> > > includes unlooped samples that are less  compressed than the mellotron
> > > ones-
> > > sounds pretty  good!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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> On Apr 6, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Mike Dickson wrote:
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> > Interesting, yes. My major gripe with RW though is that he has only one chop. It's all so bleeding monotonous.
> 
> In looking at it again, I see what you mean. I never went in for his solo things, and now that I think about it, that's probably the reason. He is very adept at arpeggios and scale passages, but in listening to some of his other works, they rely on the same things to a great extent. It's too bad he doesn't have someone who has his respect who could challenge him to dig a little deeper, because it's obvious that he is really musical. Makes me wish I'd spent more time with scales and arpeggios!
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick Blechta

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:49 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick Wakeman - And You And I - grand piano

Nah. Once get them solidly under your fingers your good to go as long as you keep playing. Even if you stop for awhile, it's only a few weeks to get the strength and agility back. However, there's A LOT of slug time at the beginning.

In Wakeman's case, you also have to know how to put it all together, which he obviously does.

On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:17 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

He must practice scales 12 hours a day.

In a message dated 4/6/2010 3:57:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

Interesting, yes. My major gripe with RW though is that he has only one chop. It's all so bleeding monotonous.

> Markus' digital mellotron will have 100 voices, full 24 bit uncompressed.
> I'm not sure how many you can have loaded at a time.  Surely not all 100.
>
> The Memotron can load three voices at a time.
> NordWave, 18 voices?
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> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@...>
> wrote:
>> Yeah,in that way it is very limited and it is easy to run out of space
>> even though each patch is quite small in its compressed form (I don\ufffdt
>> understand how they are compressed). I hope that Markus\ufffd new \ufffddigitron\ufffd
>> has solved that problem.
>
>

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick Wakeman - And You And I - grand piano
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 4:56 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      



Rick Blechta wrote:



 

  
  
  On Apr 6, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Mike Dickson wrote:
  

  Interesting,
yes. My major gripe with RW though is that he has only one chop. It's
all so bleeding monotonous.

    
  
  

  In looking at it again, I see what you mean. I never went in for
his solo things, and now that I think about it, that's probably the
reason. He is very adept at arpeggios and scale passages, but in
listening to some of his other works, they rely on the same things to a
great extent. It's too bad he doesn't have someone who has his respect
who could challenge him to dig a little deeper, because it's obvious
that he is really musical. Makes me wish I'd spent more time with
scales and arpeggios!
  
  
  



The scales, arpeggios and the endless trilling bother me a
lot. I also reckon you could take any one fifteen second snapshot of
that particular piece and it would be instantly recognisable as
Wakeman. There is no space, no let-up, no room for breathing in it at
all. I'm sure prog-heads the world over think that's great as the
more notes it has then the better it must be but to me it's like
listening to a squalling kid who won't shut up so he gets the attention
he demands. It's all so needy.

> I think part of the trouble is that the underlying tune isn't very
> interesting and doesn't really lend itself to that kind of florid
> development a simpler arrangement might be more effective. He does play
> very well. I bet he does practice at a couple of hours per day.

> Writing as beginner/ intermediate pianist it is amazing the difference
> practising scales makes to playing, being a stubborn latecomer to the
> piano it took a couple of years for my teacher to persuade me to practice
> them, but it has made a huge difference to my playing.
>
> Mark
>
> --- On Wed, 4/7/10, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick Wakeman - And You And I - grand
> piano
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 4:56 PM
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>   Interesting,
> yes. My major gripe with RW though is that he has only one chop. It's
> all so bleeding monotonous.
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>   In looking at it again, I see what you mean. I never went in for
> his solo things, and now that I think about it, that's probably the
> reason. He is very adept at arpeggios and scale passages, but in
> listening to some of his other works, they rely on the same things to a
> great extent. It's too bad he doesn't have someone who has his respect
> who could challenge him to dig a little deeper, because it's obvious
> that he is really musical. Makes me wish I'd spent more time with
> scales and arpeggios!
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> The scales, arpeggios and the endless trilling bother me a
> lot. I also reckon you could take any one fifteen second snapshot of
> that particular piece and it would be instantly recognisable as
> Wakeman. There is no space, no let-up, no room for breathing in it at
> all. I'm sure prog-heads the world over think that's great as the
> more notes it has then the better it must be but to me it's like
> listening to a squalling kid who won't shut up so he gets the attention
> he demands. It's all so needy.
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> Dear All,
>  
> Coming in a bit late with this as iI've been very busy recently (VEMIA  
> auction coming soon...) but I did try the NordWave and if you took some of the  
> extra synth mangling off the presets the looped versions of the Mellotron  
> weren't that bad. Interesting that the unlooped versions are now available.  
> Clavia are using some sort of proprietary encoding that reduces storage so  
> looped versions are about 5M and unlooped are about 10M.
>  
> I am quite interested in the Electro 3 but note that the sample memory on  
> that is restricted to 68M and 50 samples (shame), the other 160M is 
> restricted  to pianos.
>  
> I suppose in normal use you would probably only use 3 violins, 8 voice and  
> flute so that isn't such an issue.
>  
> My ideal version would be the Electro with the Wave engine built in, but  
> I'm weird.
>  
> Will probably go for the Electro 3 (once the Fairlight has sold) as the  
> piano / organ angle is of more use than "yet another synth" and I've already 
> got  the Nord Modular G2 which is one of the most useful synths I've ever had.
>  
> All the best,
> Norm
>