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Discerning 'tron sounds

2010-05-17 by zogher

Hi again, group.

As a new 'tron owner, recently I've been trying to pay more attention to recordings having 'tron on them and trying to discern the sounds. This may sound silly, because although I'm usually pretty good with picking out a 'tron when I hear it, unless the sound is the Mk II flutes, many times I'm not sure what I am hearing (e.g. are those "strings" or "violins"?).

So, I'll pose these questions to the group based on some songs that I really enjoy the 'tron on.

Here are two by Emitt Rhodes off of his final 1973 album Farewell To Paradise. These are FLACs used to preserve the sound quality and they are relatively big files (playable in WinAmp and others I am sure), but... no one's still using dial-up nowadays, right? =):

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IX47VNCH

On See No Evil, I can hear what sounds like flutes making their first appearance at 0:39, they waft in and out of the song beautifully. However, I am not sure of the sound that starts at 0:56. Is this strings? Or violin? The planetmellotron site says strings for this song. 

Now, I'm assuming that Emitt used a M400 (he could have used anything but if he did this album like he did the others, i.e., recorded at home, I'd have to think that more than likely he used an M400). If so, I again assume that if the flutes were a part of the tapes with this M400 (what do you call them, the standard BB tapes?) that he'd have only violin and cello available to him.

So I ask all the 'tron heads here: what do YOU hear?

See No Evil

Chorus

Flutes 0:39

Strings 0:56

The other song is Trust One More from the same album:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TUUZ1M7I

I hear something at 0:35 but I have no idea what it is. I love the sound, though! Sounds like it's got some kind of vibrato/tremolo on it. Is this the Mk II flute? If so, it's got a fluttering to it I don't remember hearing before. Also, throughout the verses I hear something but it's buried a little bit in the mix. And at the end of the chorus there's a high part that descends that is very nice. So on this song, I guess what I'm asking is: is there more than one sound on this song or is it all flutes?

Sorry if these are obvious to y'all: I'm learning! =) All comments welcomed and appreciated.

Back to your regularly scheduled program.

Cheers!

Chris

Re: Discerning 'tron sounds

2010-05-17 by ClayE

Chris: The trouble is, I only have the other FIVE media players that don't play FLAC.  :-(  

FLAC files: There are Many media players out there that will play .flac files, such as winamp, jetaudio, foobar2000, vlc, kmediaplayer, Xion...



--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "zogher" <fazeka@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi again, group.
> 
> As a new 'tron owner, recently I've been trying to pay more attention to recordings having 'tron on them and trying to discern the sounds. This may sound silly, because although I'm usually pretty good with picking out a 'tron when I hear it, unless the sound is the Mk II flutes, many times I'm not sure what I am hearing (e.g. are those "strings" or "violins"?).
> 
> So, I'll pose these questions to the group based on some songs that I really enjoy the 'tron on.
> 
> Here are two by Emitt Rhodes off of his final 1973 album Farewell To Paradise. These are FLACs used to preserve the sound quality and they are relatively big files (playable in WinAmp and others I am sure), but... no one's still using dial-up nowadays, right? =):
> 
> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IX47VNCH
> 
> On See No Evil, I can hear what sounds like flutes making their first appearance at 0:39, they waft in and out of the song beautifully. However, I am not sure of the sound that starts at 0:56. Is this strings? Or violin? The planetmellotron site says strings for this song. 
> 
> Now, I'm assuming that Emitt used a M400 (he could have used anything but if he did this album like he did the others, i.e., recorded at home, I'd have to think that more than likely he used an M400). If so, I again assume that if the flutes were a part of the tapes with this M400 (what do you call them, the standard BB tapes?) that he'd have only violin and cello available to him.
> 
> So I ask all the 'tron heads here: what do YOU hear?
> 
> See No Evil
> 
> Chorus
> 
> Flutes 0:39
> 
> Strings 0:56
> 
> The other song is Trust One More from the same album:
> 
> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TUUZ1M7I
> 
> I hear something at 0:35 but I have no idea what it is. I love the sound, though! Sounds like it's got some kind of vibrato/tremolo on it. Is this the Mk II flute? If so, it's got a fluttering to it I don't remember hearing before. Also, throughout the verses I hear something but it's buried a little bit in the mix. And at the end of the chorus there's a high part that descends that is very nice. So on this song, I guess what I'm asking is: is there more than one sound on this song or is it all flutes?
> 
> Sorry if these are obvious to y'all: I'm learning! =) All comments welcomed and appreciated.
> 
> Back to your regularly scheduled program.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Chris
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Discerning 'tron sounds

2010-05-17 by MAinPsych@aol.com

Ah, the talented and reclusive Emitt Rhodes.  I've had this LP  since my 
days at KSDT circa 1974-75 and enjoy it to this day.  A 400 to be  sure.  See 
No Evil is tron Flute with 3-Violins coming in at :57, pretty  much the EQ'd 
MkII 3-Violins, given the era.  Trust Once More is too 'pure'  sounding to 
be anything more than Flute, buried in a mountain of reverb,  eliminating a 
possible Flute/3-violins mix.
 
In a message dated 5/17/2010 2:27:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
fazeka@gmail.com writes:

Hi  again, group.

As a new 'tron owner, recently I've been trying to pay  more attention to 
recordings having 'tron on them and trying to discern the  sounds. This may 
sound silly, because although I'm usually pretty good with  picking out a 
'tron when I hear it, unless the sound is the Mk II flutes, many  times I'm not 
sure what I am hearing (e.g. are those "strings" or  "violins"?).

So, I'll pose these questions to the group based on some  songs that I 
really enjoy the 'tron on.

Here are two by Emitt Rhodes  off of his final 1973 album Farewell To 
Paradise. These are FLACs used to  preserve the sound quality and they are 
relatively big files (playable in  WinAmp and others I am sure), but... no one's 
still using dial-up nowadays,  right? =):

_http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IX47VNCH_ 
(http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IX47VNCH) 

On  See No Evil, I can hear what sounds like flutes making their first 
appearance  at 0:39, they waft in and out of the song beautifully. However, I am 
not sure  of the sound that starts at 0:56. Is this strings? Or violin? The 
 planetmellotron site says strings for this song. 

Now, I'm assuming  that Emitt used a M400 (he could have used anything but 
if he did this album  like he did the others, i.e., recorded at home, I'd 
have to think that more  than likely he used an M400). If so, I again assume 
that if the flutes were a  part of the tapes with this M400 (what do you call 
them, the standard BB  tapes?) that he'd have only violin and cello 
available to him.

So I ask  all the 'tron heads here: what do YOU hear?

See No  Evil

Chorus

Flutes 0:39

Strings 0:56

The other  song is Trust One More from the same album:

_http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TUUZ1M7I_ 
(http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TUUZ1M7I) 

I  hear something at 0:35 but I have no idea what it is. I love the sound,  
though! Sounds like it's got some kind of vibrato/tremolo on it. Is this 
the  Mk II flute? If so, it's got a fluttering to it I don't remember hearing  
before. Also, throughout the verses I hear something but it's buried a 
little  bit in the mix. And at the end of the chorus there's a high part that 
descends  that is very nice. So on this song, I guess what I'm asking is: is 
there more  than one sound on this song or is it all flutes?

Sorry if these are  obvious to y'all: I'm learning! =) All comments 
welcomed and  appreciated.

Back to your regularly scheduled  program.

Cheers!

Chris

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Discerning 'tron sounds

2010-05-17 by Seven

Hi Clay,

I'll work on getting some mp3s for ya.

Chris

On May 17, 2010, at 3:28 AM, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

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Chris: The trouble is, I only have the other FIVE media players that don't play FLAC. :-(

FLAC files: There are Many media players out there that will play .flac files, such as winamp, jetaudio, foobar2000, vlc, kmediaplayer, Xion...

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "zogher" wrote:
>
> Hi again, group.
>
> As a new 'tron owner, recently I've been trying to pay more attention to recordings having 'tron on them and trying to discern the sounds. This may sound silly, because although I'm usually pretty good with picking out a 'tron when I hear it, unless the sound is the Mk II flutes, many times I'm not sure what I am hearing (e.g. are those "strings" or "violins"?).
>
> So, I'll pose these questions to the group based on some songs that I really enjoy the 'tron on.
>
> Here are two by Emitt Rhodes off of his final 1973 album Farewell To Paradise. These are FLACs used to preserve the sound quality and they are relatively big files (playable in WinAmp and others I am sure), but... no one's still using dial-up nowadays, right? =):
>
>; http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IX47VNCH
>
> On See No Evil, I can hear what sounds like flutes making their first appearance at 0:39, they waft in and out of the song beautifully. However, I am not sure of the sound that starts at 0:56. Is this strings? Or violin? The planetmellotron site says strings for this song.
>
> Now, I'm assuming that Emitt used a M400 (he could have used anything but if he did this album like he did the others, i.e., recorded at home, I'd have to think that more than likely he used an M400). If so, I again assume that if the flutes were a part of the tapes with this M400 (what do you call them, the standard BB tapes?) that he'd have only violin and cello available to him.
>
> So I ask all the 'tron heads here: what do YOU hear?
>
> See No Evil
>
> Chorus
>
> Flutes 0:39
>
> Strings 0:56
>
> The other song is Trust One More from the same album:
>
> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TUUZ1M7I
>
> I hear something at 0:35 but I have no idea what it is. I love the sound, though! Sounds like it's got some kind of vibrato/tremolo on it. Is this the Mk II flute? If so, it's got a fluttering to it I don't remember hearing before. Also, throughout the verses I hear something but it's buried a little bit in the mix. And at the end of the chorus there's a high part that descends that is very nice. So on this song, I guess what I'm asking is: is there more than one sound on this song or is it all flutes?
>
> Sorry if these are obvious to y'all: I'm learning! =) All comments welcomed and appreciated.
>
> Back to your regularly scheduled program.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Chris
>

Re: Discerning 'tron sounds

2010-05-18 by zogher

Clay,

OK, you're being warned - mp3s!

See No Evil:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7SMZWJE0

Trust One More:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FHYR5R20

Let me know what you think. Enjoy.

I myself think the 'tron parts on these are very tasty.

Chris

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Chris: The trouble is, I only have the other FIVE media players that don't play FLAC.  :-(  
> 
> FLAC files: There are Many media players out there that will play .flac files, such as winamp, jetaudio, foobar2000, vlc, kmediaplayer, Xion...

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Discerning 'tron sounds

2010-05-19 by Andy Thompson

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From: "zogher" <fazeka@gmail.com>
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Discerning 'tron sounds


Hi Chris

Sorry, looks like I've confused matters by constantly (and consistently) 
referring to the most common string sound, the three violins, as 'strings'.

Andy T.
http://www.planetmellotron.com



> Hi again, group.
>
> As a new 'tron owner, recently I've been trying to pay more attention to 
> recordings having 'tron on them and trying to discern the sounds. This may 
> sound silly, because although I'm usually pretty good with picking out a 
> 'tron when I hear it, unless the sound is the Mk II flutes, many times I'm 
> not sure what I am hearing (e.g. are those "strings" or "violins"?).
>
> So, I'll pose these questions to the group based on some songs that I 
> really enjoy the 'tron on.
>
> Here are two by Emitt Rhodes off of his final 1973 album Farewell To 
> Paradise. These are FLACs used to preserve the sound quality and they are 
> relatively big files (playable in WinAmp and others I am sure), but... no 
> one's still using dial-up nowadays, right? =):
>
> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IX47VNCH
>
> On See No Evil, I can hear what sounds like flutes making their first 
> appearance at 0:39, they waft in and out of the song beautifully. However, 
> I am not sure of the sound that starts at 0:56. Is this strings? Or 
> violin? The planetmellotron site says strings for this song.
>
> Now, I'm assuming that Emitt used a M400 (he could have used anything but 
> if he did this album like he did the others, i.e., recorded at home, I'd 
> have to think that more than likely he used an M400). If so, I again 
> assume that if the flutes were a part of the tapes with this M400 (what do 
> you call them, the standard BB tapes?) that he'd have only violin and 
> cello available to him.
>
> So I ask all the 'tron heads here: what do YOU hear?
>
> See No Evil
>
> Chorus
>
> Flutes 0:39
>
> Strings 0:56
>
> The other song is Trust One More from the same album:
>
> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TUUZ1M7I
>
> I hear something at 0:35 but I have no idea what it is. I love the sound, 
> though! Sounds like it's got some kind of vibrato/tremolo on it. Is this 
> the Mk II flute? If so, it's got a fluttering to it I don't remember 
> hearing before. Also, throughout the verses I hear something but it's 
> buried a little bit in the mix. And at the end of the chorus there's a 
> high part that descends that is very nice. So on this song, I guess what 
> I'm asking is: is there more than one sound on this song or is it all 
> flutes?
>
> Sorry if these are obvious to y'all: I'm learning! =) All comments 
> welcomed and appreciated.
>
> Back to your regularly scheduled program.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>


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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Discerning 'tron sounds

2010-05-19 by lsf5275@aol.com

Dammit Andy! What's wrong with you?
 

 
 
In a message dated 5/19/2010 5:20:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
andy.thompson@virgin.net writes:

Hi  Chris

Sorry, looks like I've confused matters by constantly (and  consistently) 
referring to the most common string sound, the three  violins, as 'strings'.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Discerning 'tron sounds

2010-05-20 by Andy Thompson

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Discerning 'tron sounds

Dammit Andy! What's wrong with you?
What you've said, basically. :-))
Andy T.
In a message dated 5/19/2010 5:20:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, andy.thompson@virgin.net writes:
Hi Chris

Sorry, looks like I've confused matters by constantly (and consistently)
referring to the most common string sound, the three violins, as 'strings'.


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