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Tuning issues

2010-10-02 by markpringnz

I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new rack is slightly flat. 

I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of tape which in the old rack which  would make it run flat if anything.

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-02 by Bruce Daily

Hi Mark-
   Loved your M300A demo!  I like the strings heavy on the reverb too.
 
  Martin will probably clarify this, but the tapes are not stretched.  Somewhere I read that in the early '70s the M400 tapes were produced in 2 different locations, resulting in slightly different speeds.  The differences are even heard when comparing old frames to the new frames.  Weird, huh?  God bless the pitch control!
 
   -Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:39 PM


  



I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new rack is slightly flat. 

I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of tape which in the old rack which would make it run flat if anything.

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-02 by Mark Pring

Thanks Bruce, that is weird. In my case with a CM10 I don't usually bless the pitch control, quite the reverse!

Mark

--- On Sat, 2/10/10, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, 2 October, 2010, 6:19 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      Hi Mark-
   Loved your M300A demo!  I like the strings heavy on the reverb too.
 
  Martin will probably clarify this, but the tapes are not stretched.  Somewhere I read that in the early '70s the M400 tapes were produced in 2 different locations, resulting in slightly different speeds.  The differences are even heard when comparing old frames to the new frames.  Weird, huh?  God bless the pitch control!
 
   -Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:39 PM


  

I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new rack is slightly flat. 

I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of tape which in the old rack which would make it run flat if anything.

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-04 by Bruce Daily

Hey Mark-
 
   Ahhh, I see now...  The CMC-10 bestows a certain blessing on you!  Does the blessing last 15-20 minutes or so?
 
  Which begs the question, is there a patron saint of Mellotronists?
 
  -Bruce D.
  (raised Lutheran, but willing to look to my Catholic roots if it will help my tron...)


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 11:42 PM


  







Thanks Bruce, that is weird. In my case with a CM10 I don't usually bless the pitch control, quite the reverse!

Mark

--- On Sat, 2/10/10, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, 2 October, 2010, 6:19 PM


  






Hi Mark-
   Loved your M300A demo!  I like the strings heavy on the reverb too.
 
  Martin will probably clarify this, but the tapes are not stretched.  Somewhere I read that in the early '70s the M400 tapes were produced in 2 different locations, resulting in slightly different speeds.  The differences are even heard when comparing old frames to the new frames.  Weird, huh?  God bless the pitch control!
 
   -Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:39 PM


  

I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new rack is slightly flat. 

I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of tape which in the old rack which would make it run flat if anything.

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-04 by lsf5275@aol.com

Yes,
 
St. John.
 
 
In a message dated 10/4/2010 12:55:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
pocotron@yahoo.com writes:

Which  begs the question, is there a patron saint of  Mellotronists?

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-04 by william Beith

I know the patron  saint of playgrounds is St. Francisis of a SeeSaw




________________________________
From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 11:55:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

  
Hey Mark-

   Ahhh, I see now...  The CMC-10 bestows a certain blessing on you!  Does the 
blessing last 15-20 minutes or so?

  Which begs the question, is there a patron saint of Mellotronists?

  -Bruce D.
  (raised Lutheran, but willing to look to my Catholic roots if it will help my 
tron...)


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
>To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 11:42 PM
>
>
>  
>Thanks Bruce, that is weird. In my case with a CM10 I don't usually bless the 
>pitch control, quite the reverse!
>
>Mark
>
>--- On Sat, 2/10/10, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
>>To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>>Received: Saturday, 2 October, 2010, 6:19 PM
>>
>>
>>  
>>Hi Mark-
>>   Loved your M300A demo!  I like the strings heavy on the reverb too.
>>
>>  Martin will probably clarify this, but the tapes are not stretched.  Somewhere 
>>I read that in the early '70s the M400 tapes were produced in 2 different 
>>locations, resulting in slightly different speeds.  The differences are even 
>>heard when comparing old frames to the new frames.  Weird, huh?  God bless the 
>>pitch control!
>>
>>   -Bruce D.
>>
>>
>>--- On Fri, 10/1/10, markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
>>>To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>>>Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:39 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to 
>>>me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new 
>>>rack is slightly flat. 
>>>
>>>
>>>I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of 
>>>tape which in the old rack which would make it run flat if anything.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>> 
>> 
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-04 by Mark Pring

No it takes 15-20 minutes to take effect, depending on the wind direction, phases of the moon and whether there is an r in the month.

--- On Mon, 4/10/10, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Received: Monday, 4 October, 2010, 5:55 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      Hey Mark-
 
   Ahhh, I see now...  The CMC-10 bestows a certain blessing on you!  Does the blessing last 15-20 minutes or so?
 
  Which begs the question, is there a patron saint of Mellotronists?
 
  -Bruce D.
  (raised Lutheran, but willing to look to my Catholic roots if it will help my tron...)


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 11:42 PM


  





Thanks Bruce, that is weird. In my case with a CM10 I don't usually bless the pitch control, quite the reverse!

Mark

--- On Sat, 2/10/10, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, 2 October, 2010, 6:19 PM


  






Hi Mark-
   Loved your M300A demo!  I like the strings heavy on the reverb too.
 
  Martin will probably clarify this, but the tapes are not stretched.  Somewhere I read that in the early '70s the M400 tapes were produced in 2 different locations, resulting in slightly different speeds.  The differences are even heard when comparing old frames to the new frames.  Weird, huh?  God bless the pitch control!
 
   -Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:39 PM


  

I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new rack is slightly flat. 

I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of tape which in the old rack which would make it run flat if anything.

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-04 by Rick Blechta


On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Bruce Daily wrote:

Which begs the question, is there a patron saint of Mellotronists?

St. Martinge of Blithbury. He's also an alternate patron saint of beers and ales.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-05 by Mark Pring

#1565 has it's own personal patron saint,  St Jude. 


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On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Bruce Daily wrote:
Which begs the question, is there a patron saint of Mellotronists?
St. Martinge of Blithbury. He's also an alternate patron saint of beers and ales.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-05 by lsf5275@aol.com

Does it spend a lot of time in the hospital?
 
 
In a message dated 10/4/2010 10:44:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

#1565  has it's own personal patron saint,  St Jude.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-05 by Mark Pring

Needs a complete rebuild . Might get round to it when I retire. 

St Jude: patron saint of hopeless cases, or in my case a badly warped one.

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On Oct 4, 2010, at 11:04 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
Does it spend a lot of time in the hospital?
No. That would be St. Pancreas.

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