Hi Malte, @aj: I feel we are making some progress here (at last)... > > your observations go along with my theory that this is a question of the > balance of the clock signals. By attaching the probe to C22 (or XTAL1 at > the chip) you increase the capacitance of C22 (which should originally be > 10pF, not 22pF). > On the other hand I had decreased the capacitance of C23 (originally 22pF, > now 10pF but I first tested this with a 22pF and 10pF cap in series which > should give less than 7pF). > > @aj: So just to recap you new have both C22 and C23 at 10pF and all is stable? > > As I said earlier my measurements probably don't amount to much. I again > measured with the 10x probe setting. So even if we ignore the actual values > the following was still apearent: > > - the signals on XTAL1 and XTAL2 are closer in amplitude on the old boards > than on the new boards > - exchanging C23 for a smaller value brought up the amplitude for XTAL2 on > the new board > > All this was only measurable with the 10x probe setting; the measurements > with the 1x setting did not show such a strong difference (but they almost > always locked up the processor and showed a completely different waveform). > If I'm reading this right my probe has a capacitance of around 100pF in the > 1x range and around 15pF in the 10x range - which of course explains why > measuring with the 1x setting does no good. > > @aj: I have the same issue. If I go anywhere near XTAL2 with my test gear the > CPU halts/crashes. This is also the case on the original 367. Even with the > probes in x10 mode. That aside the amplitude of the clock signal is > significantly lower on the XTAL2 side. > > The new board with the different C23 value has been running now for over 12 > hours. > > @aj: I am going to try your suggested values with this board and then run > through my routines to and see if I can get it to behave in an erratic way. > > I need to find out how to make screenshots from my scope (it's a digital > one); or perhaps I'll simply take pictures with the camera. > > @aj: My scope is so old it has an interface for an RS-232 line printer! I > think in this case a photo might be best! > > Cheers, > Andy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [PolySix] Re: Problem with new KLM-367A
2010-09-03 by Andrew Jury
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