Discussion about the Korg PolySix synthesizer

greetings, all-happy holidays. got a P6 battery question, to follow up on my draining battery issue:

i've taken the 367 board out, and cleaned/checked all of the traces around the battery area. i didnt see any resistance at a low reading level that looked abnormal. i installed a battery clip socket. now, here are my battery readings for a brand-new battery:

-OUT OF MACHINE=2.7V
-IN MACHINE, MACHINE OFF=1.5V
-IN MACHINE, MACHINE ON=2.4V

does this look normal? i probably wont know for another day or two if it drains, but wanted your feedback on if these readings sound normal. thanks, rj

...and a Merry Xmas to you and everyone else in the group! If you don¹t Œdo¹
Xmas then at least I hope you are enjoying a nice break...

The battery is there to keep the supply running to the memory subsystem when
the mains power is off, right! This means that pin 18 of IC32 and pin 14 of
IC25 are presented with the battery supply. If you are using a non
chargeable cell and you replaced R91 with a 1N4148 signal diode then make
sure it is polarized correctly. That is with cathode (line) facing towards
the cathode of D15. This allows the battery to supply the two ICs in
question whilst the supply is off but keeps it isolated (diode is reverse
polarized) when on.

You should also remove C40 which is now redundant. If you haven¹t done so
then this could possibly be the cause of the problem, if the component is
dried up and no longer working as originally intended. Also check C36 to
verify it is not causing a problem in circuit. You are also quite safe to
remove this and power the circuit on whilst testing. Finally, lift pins 18
and 14 as described again and see if that makes any difference to the load
on the battery. 

If you are using a 3v lithium cell, such as a CR2032 then you should have
about 3.1v offload and about 2.9-3.0v on load. The figures you sent us do
not describe a circuit which is working properly. Get soldering and let us
know what you find...

Cheers,
Andy


On 26/12/2009 20:50, "r_j_d_2.phila" <r_j_d_2.phila@yahoo.com> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
>    
> 
> greetings, all-happy holidays. got a P6 battery question, to follow up on my
> draining battery issue:
> 
> i've taken the 367 board out, and cleaned/checked all of the traces around the
> battery area. i didnt see any resistance at a low reading level that looked
> abnormal. i installed a battery clip socket. now, here are my battery readings
> for a brand-new battery:
> 
> -OUT OF MACHINE=2.7V
> -IN MACHINE, MACHINE OFF=1.5V
> -IN MACHINE, MACHINE ON=2.4V
> 
> does this look normal? i probably wont know for another day or two if it
> drains, but wanted your feedback on if these readings sound normal. thanks, rj
> 
>  
>    
> 
> 



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thanks alot andy. 

so here's where i'm at: R91 and D15 are definitely oriented right. C40 was removed, yes. C36 was also replaced before as well.  so, here's some more readings:

from battery + to IC25 pin 14, i get .66V. this stayed the same if i removed IC25. HOWEVER:

from battery + to IC32 pin 18, i get .66V. if i remove IC32, this drops to 0V. but, most other pins of IC32 will read 1.3-1.7V with IC32 removed.

where does this put me? also, i have a 3.6V rechargeable, new, battery i bought last week(nickel-something or other, not cadmium, but its rechargeable). do you think this would work? i really just need to have the machine work for the next 5 months, as im gonna be gigging with it. is that an option, or do i need to fully source the problem for ANY battery to work? if not, where do i check now? thanks-rj


--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Jury <andy@...> wrote:

>
> ...and a Merry Xmas to you and everyone else in the group! If you don¹t Œdo¹
> Xmas then at least I hope you are enjoying a nice break...
> 
> The battery is there to keep the supply running to the memory subsystem when
> the mains power is off, right! This means that pin 18 of IC32 and pin 14 of
> IC25 are presented with the battery supply. If you are using a non
> chargeable cell and you replaced R91 with a 1N4148 signal diode then make
> sure it is polarized correctly. That is with cathode (line) facing towards
> the cathode of D15. This allows the battery to supply the two ICs in
> question whilst the supply is off but keeps it isolated (diode is reverse
> polarized) when on.
> 
> You should also remove C40 which is now redundant. If you haven¹t done so
> then this could possibly be the cause of the problem, if the component is
> dried up and no longer working as originally intended. Also check C36 to
> verify it is not causing a problem in circuit. You are also quite safe to
> remove this and power the circuit on whilst testing. Finally, lift pins 18
> and 14 as described again and see if that makes any difference to the load
> on the battery. 
> 
> If you are using a 3v lithium cell, such as a CR2032 then you should have
> about 3.1v offload and about 2.9-3.0v on load. The figures you sent us do
> not describe a circuit which is working properly. Get soldering and let us
> know what you find...
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
> 
> 
> On 26/12/2009 20:50, "r_j_d_2.phila" <r_j_d_2.phila@...> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >    
> > 
> > greetings, all-happy holidays. got a P6 battery question, to follow up on my
> > draining battery issue:
> > 
> > i've taken the 367 board out, and cleaned/checked all of the traces around the
> > battery area. i didnt see any resistance at a low reading level that looked
> > abnormal. i installed a battery clip socket. now, here are my battery readings
> > for a brand-new battery:
> > 
> > -OUT OF MACHINE=2.7V
> > -IN MACHINE, MACHINE OFF=1.5V
> > -IN MACHINE, MACHINE ON=2.4V
> > 
> > does this look normal? i probably wont know for another day or two if it
> > drains, but wanted your feedback on if these readings sound normal. thanks, rj
> > 
> >  
> >    
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

ok, so i have new data: after removing the SRAM chip and leaving the machine off overnight, the battery RESTORED itself to about 2.8V! im assuming that's good.

for the record, my RAM chip, IC32, had been damaged, so i had replaced it with a socket. i have popped the 367 board, and verified every trace on IC32, and also inspected it for any traces bridging. it all tests 100%. i bought a replacement IC, but it might have been a pull.

so, 2 questions:
1-could my RAM chip be pulling the battery down, but functioning correctly otherwise? the machine writes/saves/functions properly in the programming regard.

2-if so, does anyone have a lead on a good replacement chip? thanks-rj 





--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Jury <andy@...> wrote:

>
> ...and a Merry Xmas to you and everyone else in the group! If you don¹t Œdo¹
> Xmas then at least I hope you are enjoying a nice break...
> 
> The battery is there to keep the supply running to the memory subsystem when
> the mains power is off, right! This means that pin 18 of IC32 and pin 14 of
> IC25 are presented with the battery supply. If you are using a non
> chargeable cell and you replaced R91 with a 1N4148 signal diode then make
> sure it is polarized correctly. That is with cathode (line) facing towards
> the cathode of D15. This allows the battery to supply the two ICs in
> question whilst the supply is off but keeps it isolated (diode is reverse
> polarized) when on.
> 
> You should also remove C40 which is now redundant. If you haven¹t done so
> then this could possibly be the cause of the problem, if the component is
> dried up and no longer working as originally intended. Also check C36 to
> verify it is not causing a problem in circuit. You are also quite safe to
> remove this and power the circuit on whilst testing. Finally, lift pins 18
> and 14 as described again and see if that makes any difference to the load
> on the battery. 
> 
> If you are using a 3v lithium cell, such as a CR2032 then you should have
> about 3.1v offload and about 2.9-3.0v on load. The figures you sent us do
> not describe a circuit which is working properly. Get soldering and let us
> know what you find...
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
> 
> 
> On 26/12/2009 20:50, "r_j_d_2.phila" <r_j_d_2.phila@...> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >    
> > 
> > greetings, all-happy holidays. got a P6 battery question, to follow up on my
> > draining battery issue:
> > 
> > i've taken the 367 board out, and cleaned/checked all of the traces around the
> > battery area. i didnt see any resistance at a low reading level that looked
> > abnormal. i installed a battery clip socket. now, here are my battery readings
> > for a brand-new battery:
> > 
> > -OUT OF MACHINE=2.7V
> > -IN MACHINE, MACHINE OFF=1.5V
> > -IN MACHINE, MACHINE ON=2.4V
> > 
> > does this look normal? i probably wont know for another day or two if it
> > drains, but wanted your feedback on if these readings sound normal. thanks, rj
> > 
> >  
> >    
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi,

Sounds like progress to me. I tried to get you a typical current reading for
the SRAM but couldn¹t measure anything. I then took a look at the data sheet
and found that the device draw 20uA max! A bit smaller than my DMM can read!
So under normal circumstances the having the SRAM in circuit should draw
very little from the battery indeed. This is why a lithium cell should last
well over 5 years in this application. If upon connecting Vdd of the chip
the battery starts to run down then perhaps there could well be a problem.
What is the exact SRAM in use you have there? It should be a Toshiba
TC5514APL-3 which is a 1024 word x 4 bit device. Perhaps you are using an
incorrect part with a higher current consumption. However, I doubt it, I was
be more inclined to a faulty device. Do let us all know!

Cheers,
Andy





On 28/12/2009 15:13, "r_j_d_2.phila" <r_j_d_2.phila@yahoo.com> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
>    
> 
> ok, so i have new data: after removing the SRAM chip and leaving the machine
> off overnight, the battery RESTORED itself to about 2.8V! im assuming that's
> good.
> 
> for the record, my RAM chip, IC32, had been damaged, so i had replaced it with
> a socket. i have popped the 367 board, and verified every trace on IC32, and
> also inspected it for any traces bridging. it all tests 100%. i bought a
> replacement IC, but it might have been a pull.
> 
> so, 2 questions:
> 1-could my RAM chip be pulling the battery down, but functioning correctly
> otherwise? the machine writes/saves/functions properly in the programming
> regard.
> 
> 2-if so, does anyone have a lead on a good replacement chip? thanks-rj
> 
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com> , Andrew
> Jury <andy@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > ...and a Merry Xmas to you and everyone else in the group! If you don¹t
>> Œdo¹
>> > Xmas then at least I hope you are enjoying a nice break...
>> > 
>> > The battery is there to keep the supply running to the memory subsystem
>> when
>> > the mains power is off, right! This means that pin 18 of IC32 and pin 14 of
>> > IC25 are presented with the battery supply. If you are using a non
>> > chargeable cell and you replaced R91 with a 1N4148 signal diode then make
>> > sure it is polarized correctly. That is with cathode (line) facing towards
>> > the cathode of D15. This allows the battery to supply the two ICs in
>> > question whilst the supply is off but keeps it isolated (diode is reverse
>> > polarized) when on.
>> > 
>> > You should also remove C40 which is now redundant. If you haven¹t done so
>> > then this could possibly be the cause of the problem, if the component is
>> > dried up and no longer working as originally intended. Also check C36 to
>> > verify it is not causing a problem in circuit. You are also quite safe to
>> > remove this and power the circuit on whilst testing. Finally, lift pins 18
>> > and 14 as described again and see if that makes any difference to the load
>> > on the battery.
>> > 
>> > If you are using a 3v lithium cell, such as a CR2032 then you should have
>> > about 3.1v offload and about 2.9-3.0v on load. The figures you sent us do
>> > not describe a circuit which is working properly. Get soldering and let us
>> > know what you find...
>> > 
>> > Cheers,
>> > Andy
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 26/12/2009 20:50, "r_j_d_2.phila" <r_j_d_2.phila@...> wrote:
>> > 
>>> > >  
>>> > >  
>>> > >  
>>> > >    
>>> > > 
>>> > > greetings, all-happy holidays. got a P6 battery question, to follow up
>>> on my
>>> > > draining battery issue:
>>> > > 
>>> > > i've taken the 367 board out, and cleaned/checked all of the traces
>>> around the
>>> > > battery area. i didnt see any resistance at a low reading level that
>>> looked
>>> > > abnormal. i installed a battery clip socket. now, here are my battery
>>> readings
>>> > > for a brand-new battery:
>>> > > 
>>> > > -OUT OF MACHINE=2.7V
>>> > > -IN MACHINE, MACHINE OFF=1.5V
>>> > > -IN MACHINE, MACHINE ON=2.4V
>>> > > 
>>> > > does this look normal? i probably wont know for another day or two if it
>>> > > drains, but wanted your feedback on if these readings sound normal.
>>> thanks, rj
>>> > > 
>>> > >  
>>> > >    
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
> 
>  
>    
> 
> 



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thanks andy.the IC i replaced #32 with is a TMM314APL-1. i was told this was a workable sub. is there a better one out there? thanks.

--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Jury <andy@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> 
> Sounds like progress to me. I tried to get you a typical current reading for
> the SRAM but couldn¹t measure anything. I then took a look at the data sheet
> and found that the device draw 20uA max! A bit smaller than my DMM can read!
> So under normal circumstances the having the SRAM in circuit should draw
> very little from the battery indeed. This is why a lithium cell should last
> well over 5 years in this application. If upon connecting Vdd of the chip
> the battery starts to run down then perhaps there could well be a problem.
> What is the exact SRAM in use you have there? It should be a Toshiba
> TC5514APL-3 which is a 1024 word x 4 bit device. Perhaps you are using an
> incorrect part with a higher current consumption. However, I doubt it, I was
> be more inclined to a faulty device. Do let us all know!
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 28/12/2009 15:13, "r_j_d_2.phila" <r_j_d_2.phila@...> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >    
> > 
> > ok, so i have new data: after removing the SRAM chip and leaving the machine
> > off overnight, the battery RESTORED itself to about 2.8V! im assuming that's
> > good.
> > 
> > for the record, my RAM chip, IC32, had been damaged, so i had replaced it with
> > a socket. i have popped the 367 board, and verified every trace on IC32, and
> > also inspected it for any traces bridging. it all tests 100%. i bought a
> > replacement IC, but it might have been a pull.
> > 
> > so, 2 questions:
> > 1-could my RAM chip be pulling the battery down, but functioning correctly
> > otherwise? the machine writes/saves/functions properly in the programming
> > regard.
> > 
> > 2-if so, does anyone have a lead on a good replacement chip? thanks-rj
> > 
> > --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com> , Andrew
> > Jury <andy@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ...and a Merry Xmas to you and everyone else in the group! If you don¹t
> >> Œdo¹
> >> > Xmas then at least I hope you are enjoying a nice break...
> >> > 
> >> > The battery is there to keep the supply running to the memory subsystem
> >> when
> >> > the mains power is off, right! This means that pin 18 of IC32 and pin 14 of
> >> > IC25 are presented with the battery supply. If you are using a non
> >> > chargeable cell and you replaced R91 with a 1N4148 signal diode then make
> >> > sure it is polarized correctly. That is with cathode (line) facing towards
> >> > the cathode of D15. This allows the battery to supply the two ICs in
> >> > question whilst the supply is off but keeps it isolated (diode is reverse
> >> > polarized) when on.
> >> > 
> >> > You should also remove C40 which is now redundant. If you haven¹t done so
> >> > then this could possibly be the cause of the problem, if the component is
> >> > dried up and no longer working as originally intended. Also check C36 to
> >> > verify it is not causing a problem in circuit. You are also quite safe to
> >> > remove this and power the circuit on whilst testing. Finally, lift pins 18
> >> > and 14 as described again and see if that makes any difference to the load
> >> > on the battery.
> >> > 
> >> > If you are using a 3v lithium cell, such as a CR2032 then you should have
> >> > about 3.1v offload and about 2.9-3.0v on load. The figures you sent us do
> >> > not describe a circuit which is working properly. Get soldering and let us
> >> > know what you find...
> >> > 
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Andy
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On 26/12/2009 20:50, "r_j_d_2.phila" <r_j_d_2.phila@> wrote:
> >> > 
> >>> > >  
> >>> > >  
> >>> > >  
> >>> > >    
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > greetings, all-happy holidays. got a P6 battery question, to follow up
> >>> on my
> >>> > > draining battery issue:
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > i've taken the 367 board out, and cleaned/checked all of the traces
> >>> around the
> >>> > > battery area. i didnt see any resistance at a low reading level that
> >>> looked
> >>> > > abnormal. i installed a battery clip socket. now, here are my battery
> >>> readings
> >>> > > for a brand-new battery:
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > -OUT OF MACHINE=2.7V
> >>> > > -IN MACHINE, MACHINE OFF=1.5V
> >>> > > -IN MACHINE, MACHINE ON=2.4V
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > does this look normal? i probably wont know for another day or two if it
> >>> > > drains, but wanted your feedback on if these readings sound normal.
> >>> thanks, rj
> >>> > > 
> >>> > >  
> >>> > >    
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> > 
> >  
> >    
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi,

Not sure what a TMM314 is and can¹t find any data sheets on it. Best to use
either a TC5514APL-3 or an HM6514 which I know from experience both work. I
am guessing that the device you use has the same addressing but made from
some material other than CMOS which might explain the over consumption.
Perhaps some others in the group might be able to say...

If you are having trouble getting the right part go and see Senso at Vintage
Planet (http://www.vintageplanet.nl) I know he usually keeps the TCs in
stock.

Cheers,
Andy


On 28/12/2009 20:39, "r_j_d_2.phila" <r_j_d_2.phila@yahoo.com> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
>    
> 
> thanks andy.the IC i replaced #32 with is a TMM314APL-1. i was told this was a
> workable sub. is there a better one out there? thanks.
> 
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com> , Andrew
> Jury <andy@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > 
>> > Sounds like progress to me. I tried to get you a typical current reading >>
for
>> > the SRAM but couldn¹t measure anything. I then took a look at the data
>> sheet
>> > and found that the device draw 20uA max! A bit smaller than my DMM can
>> read!
>> > So under normal circumstances the having the SRAM in circuit should draw
>> > very little from the battery indeed. This is why a lithium cell should last
>> > well over 5 years in this application. If upon connecting Vdd of the chip
>> > the battery starts to run down then perhaps there could well be a problem.
>> > What is the exact SRAM in use you have there? It should be a Toshiba
>> > TC5514APL-3 which is a 1024 word x 4 bit device. Perhaps you are using an
>> > incorrect part with a higher current consumption. However, I doubt it, I >>
was
>> > be more inclined to a faulty device. Do let us all know!
>> > 
>> > Cheers,
>> > Andy
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 28/12/2009 15:13, "r_j_d_2.phila" <r_j_d_2.phila@...> wrote:
>> > 
>>> > >  
>>> > >  
>>> > >  
>>> > >    
>>> > > 
>>> > > ok, so i have new data: after removing the SRAM chip and leaving the
>>> machine
>>> > > off overnight, the battery RESTORED itself to about 2.8V! im assuming
>>> that's
>>> > > good.
>>> > > 
>>> > > for the record, my RAM chip, IC32, had been damaged, so i had replaced
>>> it with
>>> > > a socket. i have popped the 367 board, and verified every trace on IC32,
and
>>> > > also inspected it for any traces bridging. it all tests 100%. i bought a
>>> > > replacement IC, but it might have been a pull.
>>> > > 
>>> > > so, 2 questions:
>>> > > 1-could my RAM chip be pulling the battery down, but functioning
>>> correctly
>>> > > otherwise? the machine writes/saves/functions properly in the
>>> programming
>>> > > regard.
>>> > > 
>>> > > 2-if so, does anyone have a lead on a good replacement chip? thanks-rj
>>> > > 
>>> > > --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com> , Andrew
>>> > > Jury <andy@> wrote:
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > ...and a Merry Xmas to you and everyone else in the group! If you
don¹t
>>>> > >> Œdo¹
>>>>> > >> > Xmas then at least I hope you are enjoying a nice break...
>>>>> > >> > 
>>>>> > >> > The battery is there to keep the supply running to the memory
>>>>> subsystem
>>>> > >> when
>>>>> > >> > the mains power is off, right! This means that pin 18 of IC32 and
>>>>> pin 14 of
>>>>> > >> > IC25 are presented with the battery supply. If you are using a non
>>>>> > >> > chargeable cell and you replaced R91 with a 1N4148 signal diode
>>>>> then make
>>>>> > >> > sure it is polarized correctly. That is with cathode (line) facing
>>>>> towards
>>>>> > >> > the cathode of D15. This allows the battery to supply the two ICs
in
>>>>> > >> > question whilst the supply is off but keeps it isolated (diode is
>>>>> reverse
>>>>> > >> > polarized) when on.
>>>>> > >> > 
>>>>> > >> > You should also remove C40 which is now redundant. If you haven¹t
>>>>> done so
>>>>> > >> > then this could possibly be the cause of the problem, if the
>>>>> component is
>>>>> > >> > dried up and no longer working as originally intended. Also check
C36 to
>>>>> > >> > verify it is not causing a problem in circuit. You are also quite
>>>>> safe to
>>>>> > >> > remove this and power the circuit on whilst testing. Finally, lift
>>>>> pins 18
>>>>> > >> > and 14 as described again and see if that makes any difference to
>>>>> the load
>>>>> > >> > on the battery.
>>>>> > >> > 
>>>>> > >> > If you are using a 3v lithium cell, such as a CR2032 then you
>>>>> should have
>>>>> > >> > about 3.1v offload and about 2.9-3.0v on load. The figures you sent
us do
>>>>> > >> > not describe a circuit which is working properly. Get soldering and
let us
>>>>> > >> > know what you find...
>>>>> > >> > 
>>>>> > >> > Cheers,
>>>>> > >> > Andy
>>>>> > >> > 
>>>>> > >> > 
>>>>> > >> > On 26/12/2009 20:50, "r_j_d_2.phila" <r_j_d_2.phila@> wrote:
>>>>> > >> > 
>>>>>>> > >>> > >  
>>>>>>> > >>> > >  
>>>>>>> > >>> > >  
>>>>>>> > >>> > >  
>>>>>>> > >>> > > 
>>>>>>> > >>> > > greetings, all-happy holidays. got a P6 battery question, to
follow up
>>>>> > >>> on my
>>>>>>> > >>> > > draining battery issue:
>>>>>>> > >>> > > 
>>>>>>> > >>> > > i've taken the 367 board out, and cleaned/checked all of the
traces
>>>>> > >>> around the
>>>>>>> > >>> > > battery area. i didnt see any resistance at a low reading
>>>>>>> level that
>>>>> > >>> looked
>>>>>>> > >>> > > abnormal. i installed a battery clip socket. now, here are my
battery
>>>>> > >>> readings
>>>>>>> > >>> > > for a brand-new battery:
>>>>>>> > >>> > > 
>>>>>>> > >>> > > -OUT OF MACHINE=2.7V
>>>>>>> > >>> > > -IN MACHINE, MACHINE OFF=1.5V
>>>>>>> > >>> > > -IN MACHINE, MACHINE ON=2.4V
>>>>>>> > >>> > > 
>>>>>>> > >>> > > does this look normal? i probably wont know for another day or
two if it
>>>>>>> > >>> > > drains, but wanted your feedback on if these readings sound
normal.
>>>>> > >>> thanks, rj
>>>>>>> > >>> > > 
>>>>>>> > >>> > >  
>>>>>>> > >>> > >  
>>>>>>> > >>> > > 
>>>>>>> > >>> > > 
>>>>> > >> > 
>>>>> > >> > 
>>>>> > >> > 
>>>>> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>> > >> >
>>> > > 
>>> > >  
>>> > >    
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
> 
>  
>    
> 
> 



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