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Jorgensen KLM367 Bug Alert - C22

Jorgensen KLM367 Bug Alert - C22

2016-02-07 by jw_dewdney@yahoo.com

I'm not sure about the boards you guys got - but in MINE (there don't seem to be revision numbers) C22 isn't even in the circuit. In the original, C22 hits the same ground trace on the same side as the leg of C23. It seems to be exactly the same kind of error that the other two resistors has - as mentioned in Jed's bugs/errors page.

now - i'm kind of wondering if this has something to do with the 'instability' noticed by some using 22pf cap??

I can't believe nobody's spotted this.... or maybe I just never got the memo?


Re: [PolySix] Jorgensen KLM367 Bug Alert - C22

2016-02-07 by Bob Grieb

I just checked my board.  The gnd end of C22 does not connect to gnd.
Good job finding that!  But my P6 works OK as is.   Do I dare fix it...

Bob

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On Sun, 2/7/16, jw_dewdney@yahoo.com [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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 Date: Sunday, February 7, 2016, 5:41 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       I'm not sure about the boards you guys got -
 but in MINE (there don't seem to be revision numbers)
 C22 isn't even in the circuit. In the original, C22 hits
 the same ground trace on the same side as the leg of C23. It
 seems to be exactly the same kind of error that the other
 two resistors has - as mentioned in Jed's bugs/errors
 page.
 
 now - i'm kind of
 wondering if this has something to do with the
 'instability' noticed by some using 22pf cap??
 
 I can't believe
 nobody's spotted this.... or maybe I just never got the
 memo?
 
 
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
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Re: [PolySix] Jorgensen KLM367 Bug Alert - C22

2016-02-07 by <backshall1@bellsouth.net>

That is an awesome find. After all these years working with the clone boards and problems with C22, nobody noticed that C22 is missing a trace. Are you listening Jed/Andy? This one needs to get in the bug list. Great work there, jw.
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I just checked my board. The gnd end of C22 does not connect to gnd.
Good job finding that! But my P6 works OK as is. Do I dare fix it...

Bob

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On Sun, 2/7/16, jw_dewdney@yahoo.com [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [PolySix] Jorgensen KLM367 Bug Alert - C22
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2016, 5:41 PM


I'm not sure about the boards you guys got -
but in MINE (there don't seem to be revision numbers)
C22 isn't even in the circuit. In the original, C22 hits
the same ground trace on the same side as the leg of C23. It
seems to be exactly the same kind of error that the other
two resistors has - as mentioned in Jed's bugs/errors
page.

now - i'm kind of
wondering if this has something to do with the
'instability' noticed by some using 22pf cap??

I can't believe
nobody's spotted this.... or maybe I just never got the
memo?




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Re: [PolySix] Jorgensen KLM367 Bug Alert - C22

2016-02-07 by jw_dewdney@yahoo.com

thanks - well it happened when i was scavenging a 10pf cap from C22 in one of my old boards to transplant into C23 on the new one (per recommendation) - but now I'm wondering if the 'stability problem' doesn't in fact come from the missing leg to ground on C22... since they BOTH feed to the resonator.

Both C22 and C23 are connected to the resonator via ground. As for what that means for the resonator and circuit stability are a bit beyond my understanding however....

Re: [PolySix] Jorgensen KLM367 Bug Alert - C22

2016-02-08 by Jed Jorgensen

Wow, hard to believe a new bug was found so many years in. Nice work!

I'm on vacation but I'll get that posted on the website soon.

Thanks all,

Jed

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On Feb 7, 2016 4:47 PM, "jw_dewdney@yahoo.com [PolySix]" <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

thanks - well it happened when i was scavenging a 10pf cap from C22 in one of my old boards to transplant into C23 on the new one (per recommendation) - but now I'm wondering if the 'stability problem' doesn't in fact come from the missing leg to ground on C22... since they BOTH feed to the resonator.

Both C22 and C23 are connected to the resonator via ground. As for what that means for the resonator and circuit stability are a bit beyond my understanding however....

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