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Trouble with ARP Omni 1 (stuck note, etc)

Trouble with ARP Omni 1 (stuck note, etc)

2006-02-04 by P........

Well hello, everyone! I have recently purchased a Arp Omni 1, but from
the first moment on I kept having trouble with one note stuck at E in
the first octave. Let me explain the symtomes: when switched to
bass(synth) I'm able to play the notes from C1 to E1 then every other
key I press after that makes the same sound. When switched to full
strings/brass no matter which or how many keys I press or how I set
the attack/sustain envelopes I always keep hearing E1 playing along
with a long sustain. Did anybody else encounter this problem and how
can I get that fixed? Help, please??

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Trouble with ARP Omni 1 (stuck note, etc)

2006-02-04 by Roy J. Tellason

On Saturday 04 February 2006 12:14 am, P........ wrote:
> Well hello, everyone! I have recently purchased a Arp Omni 1, but from
> the first moment on I kept having trouble with one note stuck at E in
> the first octave. Let me explain the symtomes: when switched to
> bass(synth) I'm able to play the notes from C1 to E1 then every other
> key I press after that makes the same sound. When switched to full
> strings/brass no matter which or how many keys I press or how I set
> the attack/sustain envelopes I always keep hearing E1 playing along
> with a long sustain. Did anybody else encounter this problem and how
> can I get that fixed? Help, please??

You're getting one note that just wants to bleed through the whole time?  I've 
hit that one before,  a few times...

ARP screwed up on the choice of one particular component in there,  the 
22uF/25V Tantalum caps they use to sustain a note.  That particular circuit 
has,  with extreme settings of the sustain slider,  up to 30V across those 
caps at times.  I guess it speaks well for the quality of the parts that more 
of them don't blow up,  tantalum caps have a way of doing that,  rather 
spectacularly at times.

You'll need to find out which cap it is (there are rows of them) that pertains 
to the particular note that's bleeding through -- easy enough,  it'll be the 
one note that plays cleanly without any _other_ note coming through.  Clip 
out that capacitor and the bleedthrough will be gone,  except of course that 
the note now won't sustain until you put a new cap in there.  Get a 35V unit 
to replace it with,  and you should be okay.

-- 
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James 
M Dakin

Re: Trouble with ARP Omni 1 (stuck note, etc)

2006-02-04 by P........

--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "Roy J. Tellason"
<rtellason@...> wrote:
>
> On Saturday 04 February 2006 12:14 am, P........ wrote:
> > Well hello, everyone! I have recently purchased a Arp Omni 1, but from
> > the first moment on I kept having trouble with one note stuck at E in
> > the first octave. Let me explain the symtomes: when switched to
> > bass(synth) I'm able to play the notes from C1 to E1 then every other
> > key I press after that makes the same sound. When switched to full
> > strings/brass no matter which or how many keys I press or how I set
> > the attack/sustain envelopes I always keep hearing E1 playing along
> > with a long sustain. Did anybody else encounter this problem and how
> > can I get that fixed? Help, please??
> 
> You're getting one note that just wants to bleed through the whole
time?  I've 
> hit that one before,  a few times...
> 
> ARP screwed up on the choice of one particular component in there,  the 
> 22uF/25V Tantalum caps they use to sustain a note.  That particular
circuit 
> has,  with extreme settings of the sustain slider,  up to 30V across
those 
> caps at times.  I guess it speaks well for the quality of the parts
that more 
> of them don't blow up,  tantalum caps have a way of doing that,  rather 
> spectacularly at times.
> 
> You'll need to find out which cap it is (there are rows of them)
that pertains 
> to the particular note that's bleeding through -- easy enough, 
it'll be the 
> one note that plays cleanly without any _other_ note coming through.
 Clip 
> out that capacitor and the bleedthrough will be gone,  except of
course that 
> the note now won't sustain until you put a new cap in there.  Get a
35V unit 
> to replace it with,  and you should be okay.
> 
> -- 
> Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
> ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
> be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet
Masters"
> -
> Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by
lies. --James 
> M Dakin
>

Thanks alot! Well I took the synth apart and.. this might sound silly
but I'm really not that technically gifted although I do have some
soldering skills and as you propably found out through my not so good
grammar I don't originate from this country so I'm wondering if when
you talk about caps do you mean the blue capacitors which I see
together with rows of resistors at the bottom part of the lower
voicing section and should I do the same thing in the upper voicing
section too? And would that also fix the problem with the bass
section? I also could need some schematics and info to see which cap
refers to which key so that I don't cut the wrong one.

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Trouble with ARP Omni 1 (stuck note, etc)

2006-02-04 by Roy J. Tellason

On Saturday 04 February 2006 01:40 am, P........ wrote:
> --- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "Roy J. Tellason"
>
> <rtellason@...> wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 February 2006 12:14 am, P........ wrote:
> > > Well hello, everyone! I have recently purchased a Arp Omni 1, but from
> > > the first moment on I kept having trouble with one note stuck at E in
> > > the first octave. Let me explain the symtomes: when switched to
> > > bass(synth) I'm able to play the notes from C1 to E1 then every other
> > > key I press after that makes the same sound. When switched to full
> > > strings/brass no matter which or how many keys I press or how I set
> > > the attack/sustain envelopes I always keep hearing E1 playing along
> > > with a long sustain. Did anybody else encounter this problem and how
> > > can I get that fixed? Help, please??
> >
> > You're getting one note that just wants to bleed through the whole
> > time?  I've hit that one before,  a few times...
> >
> > ARP screwed up on the choice of one particular component in there,  the
> > 22uF/25V Tantalum caps they use to sustain a note.  That particular
> > circuit has,  with extreme settings of the sustain slider,  up to 30V
> > across those caps at times.  I guess it speaks well for the quality of the
> > parts that more of them don't blow up,  tantalum caps have a way of doing
> > that,  rather spectacularly at times.
> >
> > You'll need to find out which cap it is (there are rows of them)
> > that pertains to the particular note that's bleeding through -- easy
> > enough, it'll be the one note that plays cleanly without any _other_ note
> > coming through. Clip out that capacitor and the bleedthrough will be gone, 
> > except of course that the note now won't sustain until you put a new cap
> > in there.  Get a 35V unit to replace it with,  and you should be okay.
>
> Thanks alot! Well I took the synth apart and.. this might sound silly
> but I'm really not that technically gifted although I do have some
> soldering skills and as you propably found out through my not so good
> grammar I don't originate from this country so I'm wondering if when
> you talk about caps do you mean the blue capacitors which I see
> together with rows of resistors at the bottom part of the lower
> voicing section 

Yeah,  they're the blue ones...

> and should I do the same thing in the upper voicing section too? And would
> that also fix the problem with the bass section? I also could need some
> schematics and info to see which cap refers to which key so that I don't cut
> the wrong one.

I have seen one or two units where more than one of these was the problem, but 
usually it's just one.  Dunno if I'd try to do anything at all here without a 
schematic,  but they're out there on the 'net,  I would make it a point to go 
for that first!

If you aren't sure which note is the problem,  look for one that comes through 
clean by itself,  and then count keys from one end of the keyboard,  count 
caps from one end of the setup there,  that should get you to the right 
one...

-- 
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James 
M Dakin

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Trouble with ARP Omni 1 (stuck note, etc)

2006-02-06 by Peter Brown

hi there, i have a little web site w/info on Arp Omni I's that might be 
useful to you (schematics etc.)...

http://people.umass.edu/brownp/arp/

yes, the caps are the little blue buggers - i replaced most of mine with 
aluminum electrolytics...good luck w/your project!

regards, PB>>
--
Peter Brown, Ph.D.         Dept. of Microbiology
IT Coordinator/Lovley Lab  422E Morrill Science Center IVN
(413) 577-2747             University of Massachusetts
http://geobacter.org       Amherst, MA 01003-9298
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On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, P........ wrote:

> Thanks alot! Well I took the synth apart and.. this might sound silly
> but I'm really not that technically gifted although I do have some
> soldering skills and as you propably found out through my not so good
> grammar I don't originate from this country so I'm wondering if when
> you talk about caps do you mean the blue capacitors which I see
> together with rows of resistors at the bottom part of the lower
> voicing section and should I do the same thing in the upper voicing
> section too? And would that also fix the problem with the bass
> section? I also could need some schematics and info to see which cap
> refers to which key so that I don't cut the wrong one.
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Trouble with ARP Omni 1 (stuck note, etc)

2006-02-06 by P........

thanks very much! I think I know where to look now from the
schematics, but just to be double safe the caps in question are the
bigger blue caps next to the section with rows of resistors, small
blue caps, transistors, etc, right? Sorry but I'm really a 'greenhorn'
at this lol 
--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, Peter Brown <pbrown@...> wrote:
>
> hi there, i have a little web site w/info on Arp Omni I's that might be 
> useful to you (schematics etc.)...
> 
> http://people.umass.edu/brownp/arp/
> 
> yes, the caps are the little blue buggers - i replaced most of mine
with 
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> aluminum electrolytics...good luck w/your project!
> 
> regards, PB>>
> --
> Peter Brown, Ph.D.         Dept. of Microbiology
> IT Coordinator/Lovley Lab  422E Morrill Science Center IVN
> (413) 577-2747             University of Massachusetts
> http://geobacter.org       Amherst, MA 01003-9298
> 
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, P........ wrote:
> 
> > Thanks alot! Well I took the synth apart and.. this might sound silly
> > but I'm really not that technically gifted although I do have some
> > soldering skills and as you propably found out through my not so good
> > grammar I don't originate from this country so I'm wondering if when
> > you talk about caps do you mean the blue capacitors which I see
> > together with rows of resistors at the bottom part of the lower
> > voicing section and should I do the same thing in the upper voicing
> > section too? And would that also fix the problem with the bass
> > section? I also could need some schematics and info to see which cap
> > refers to which key so that I don't cut the wrong one.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Trouble with ARP Omni 1 (stuck note, etc)

2006-02-06 by Roy J. Tellason

On Sunday 05 February 2006 09:34 pm, Peter Brown wrote:
> hi there, i have a little web site w/info on Arp Omni I's that might be
> useful to you (schematics etc.)...
>
> http://people.umass.edu/brownp/arp/
>
> yes, the caps are the little blue buggers - i replaced most of mine with
> aluminum electrolytics...good luck w/your project!

I saw that,  on the site.  I wouldn't have done that,  just replace them with 
ones of the proper voltage...

-- 
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James 
M Dakin

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