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Arp Quadra info

2008-03-26 by eggwheatis

I found this on the net about the 4075 filter "This was ARP's own
24dB/octave filter, and appeared in many of their later instruments.
It offered low noise and distortion, but a design fault (easily
rectified) limited its maximum cutoff frequency to just 12kHz or
thereabouts"

So how do you fix it? I cant find any info.

Also, my arp quadra makes a kind of low frequency thump on the attack
of the string sound..to me it seems wrong but I guess it could be
another quirk?

Any ideas about this?

Thanks, Phil.

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Arp Quadra info

2008-03-26 by Dave Garfield

ARP 4035-4075 Low-Pass Filter FC Mod.
Based on the modification information on the ARPtech website, at: http://www.netcontrol.fi/~jocke/arptech/modintro.htm
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From: Joachim Verghese <jocke@...                                                              Tue Mar 12 1996
On Sun, 10 Mar 1996, I. Onsager wrote:
  Weyer-Smith labs offers a modification for the ARP 4072 filter to expand frequency response.  Is this Weyer-Smith proprietary information, or is it public available on the net?  Anybody out there that has tried it?
I've done it to some 4075s (very similar to the 4072).
The four 4K7 (Yellow, Violet, Red) current limiting resistors which are connected between the exponential converter and the four discrete gain stages should be lowered to 2K2 (Red, Red, Red).  If memory serves, these are the only 4K7 resistors in the module, so locating them shouldn't be too difficult.
Alternatively, you could add another set of 4K7s in parallel with the existing ones.  These could be mounted on the solder side of the board.  Beware of possible shorting to other pins, though.
-joachim
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BY: Matt Haines haines@...                                                                                    Thu, 7 Dec 1995
 Does anyone have the pinout on the 4022 filter in the ARP Whiteface Odyssey?  I'm taking the filter out to use in a Homebuilt Synth.
 Thanks
I think it's the same for all the Odysseys, because the service docs talk about replacing the old ones with new ones <Gasp!>  It says it's for models 2800, 2810, 2811, 2812, 2813:
Pin  Connection                      |     Pin              Connection__________
1        Signal Input                                          |        10                Out (to highpass filter)
2        RESONANCE slider (through a 22k pot)      |        11                N/C
3        To wiper of VCF Balance trimpot (Pin 2)     |        12                N/C
4        CV Input                                             |        13                N/C
6        + Supply                                             |        14                Pin 1 of VCF Balance trimpot
7        Ground                                               |        15                N/C
8        - Supply                                              |        16?               Pin 3 of VCF Balance trimpot
 
I can't quite read the last pin #.
Matt Haines  haines@...
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From: Joachim Verghese jocke@...                                                                    Fri, 8 Dec 1995
This is actually the pinout for the later 4035 and 4075 modules.  The 4023 was slightly different.  The wiper of the balance trimmer is connected to -15V, and the CV input is different, if memory serves.  I haven't got the schems at hand right now, but I'll look it up.
-joachim
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And, On a Different Note... ;->, Another ARP 4075 VCF Mod Article...
From:  Mark Smart - http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/arpomni/FilterMod/FilterMod.html
 
The 4075 is a filter module that ARP used in many different synthesizers, including the Omni 1 and Omni 2.  Sometime during the design phase, a resistor value was miscalculated; as a result, the 4075's cutoff frequency will not sweep up as high as ARP really wanted it to.  This may be partially responsible for the commonly held view that ARP filters do not sound as "snappy" as Moog filters.
Timothy Smith designed a modification which will allow the cutoff frequency to sweep up as high as ARP meant it to.  The mod simply involves changing four resistors on the board from 4.7 to 2.2K (4K7 to 2K2).  I have performed this mod on an Omni 1, and Omni 2, and a Quadra, and in all cases there was a very noticeable improvement in sound.  I highly recommend it! 
4075 Board Schematic The original ARP synth documents don't contain schematics of the filter modules.  Fortunately, Joachim Verghese has created them; you can download the 4075 schematic here on his ARP Tech page. 
 
4075 Board Layout Mike Novak created this very cool 4075 board layout diagram using Joachim's schematic and the filter boards from his ARP Quadra.  This makes it much easier to find the four resistors in question: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/arpomni/FilterMod/4075Layout.JPG, or at: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/arpomni/FilterMod/4075Layout.JPGMark Smart Home 
Last updated on 11-2-2003.  Questions or comments?  Email me.

I hope that some of the above mish-mash helps you out.  (I believe that many of the links are still good).
HTH,
Dave Garf, Omni-head (Also uses 4075 filter)



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From: eggwheatis <eggwheatis@...>
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:57:52 PM
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Arp Quadra info

I found this on the net about the 4075 filter "This was ARP's own
24dB/octave filter, and appeared in many of their later instruments.
It offered low noise and distortion, but a design fault (easily
rectified) limited its maximum cutoff frequency to just 12kHz or
thereabouts"

So how do you fix it? I cant find any info.

Also, my arp quadra makes a kind of low frequency thump on the attack
of the string sound..to me it seems wrong but I guess it could be
another quirk?

Any ideas about this?

Thanks, Phil.


 


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Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Arp Quadra info

2008-03-26 by Malte Rogacki

http://www.till.com/arptech/pdf/4075.pdf

should get you started; the schematic contains the description which
resistors to change.

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"Don't forget to TURN ON THE SYNTHESIZER. Often this is the reason why you
 get no sound out of it." (ARP 2600 Owner's Manual)
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Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Arp Quadra info

2008-03-26 by Philip

Cool thanks guys! I did the mod today....makes a huge
difference to the filters...they were a bit feeble
before..now they sound great and wide open..

The problem with strings attack thumping...well
there's a pot you adjust called Strings VCA CVR to
minimise it in the service manual but I have to say it
doesn't do that much, it was in the optimal postion
anyway. I did the same adjustment to the polysynth
section and it did  improve the thumping in that
section and quieten it down.

So what cause the thumping then?

Phil.

 
--- Malte Rogacki <gacki@...> wrote:

> http://www.till.com/arptech/pdf/4075.pdf
> 
> should get you started; the schematic contains the
> description which
> resistors to change.
> 
> -- 
> Malte Rogacki gacki@...
>
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> "Don't forget to TURN ON THE SYNTHESIZER. Often this
> is the reason why you
>  get no sound out of it." (ARP 2600 Owner's Manual)
>
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> 



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Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Arp Quadra info

2008-03-27 by Roy J. Tellason

On Wednesday 26 March 2008 14:10, Philip wrote:
> Cool thanks guys! I did the mod today....makes a huge
> difference to the filters...they were a bit feeble
> before..now they sound great and wide open..
>
> The problem with strings attack thumping...well
> there's a pot you adjust called Strings VCA CVR to
> minimise it in the service manual but I have to say it
> doesn't do that much, it was in the optimal postion
> anyway. I did the same adjustment to the polysynth
> section and it did  improve the thumping in that
> section and quieten it down.
>
> So what cause the thumping then?

CVR = Control Voltage Reject

You don't want the control voltage showing up in the output of a signal 
processing circuit,  so things are supposed to be "balanced" to prevent that 
from happening.  Not having perfect parts,  they provide the adjustment in 
there to balance things out.

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Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Arp Quadra info (8243 needed)

2008-03-28 by Philip

Ok...well I've had fun with this..after fixing the
filters and going through the service manual tweaking
the tuning and various other parameters..got it all
perfect and sounding great, closed the lid, played it
for about 2 minuites and it then promptly died!

Basically I could tell from the fault IE no buttons
working plus no lead synth or bass etc that the micro
processor board had gone bad!

Man that has the worst nastiest connections to the
touch pad ever..thin brittle ribbon..very easy to
ruin.

Anyway after poking around with the logic probe, I
found a few data lines dead coming out of one of the
intel 8243 port expanders off of the 8048..so
hopefully a new one should fix it!

Where would I source a 8243? any ideas?

Phil.


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RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Arp Quadra info (8243 needed)

2008-03-28 by Masada Wilmot

Jameco says that they have ‘em..

www.jameco.com

8243 I/O Expander

8000 Series 

Input/output Expander

Jameco P/N  52581 
Mfg  VARIOUS  
Mfg #  8243  
RoHS?  No , Find compliant  
In Stock  Yes  
Terminal Type WIRE TERMINAL 


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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:40 PM
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Arp Quadra info (8243 needed)

Ok...well I've had fun with this..after fixing the
filters and going through the service manual tweaking
the tuning and various other parameters..got it all
perfect and sounding great, closed the lid, played it
for about 2 minuites and it then promptly died!

Basically I could tell from the fault IE no buttons
working plus no lead synth or bass etc that the micro
processor board had gone bad!

Man that has the worst nastiest connections to the
touch pad ever..thin brittle ribbon..very easy to
ruin.

Anyway after poking around with the logic probe, I
found a few data lines dead coming out of one of the
intel 8243 port expanders off of the 8048..so
hopefully a new one should fix it!

Where would I source a 8243? any ideas?

Phil.

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