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Re: Yamaha key contact strip

Re: Yamaha key contact strip

2002-02-14 by Peter Blackett

Dear Ed and list ,
if the contact strip is one long piece of plastic , then on certain
Yamaha models you have to put the strip in the right way round , there
is a red mark at one end .But I can't remember if that's the top or
bottom .
when I last ordered one for a repair Yamaha didn't tell me this in
advance .its worth gently wiping of the contact pcb's as well as dust
can cause problems .

hope this helps , regards Peter 
South London England

Re: Yamaha key contact strip

2002-02-14 by Shayne Cafferata

Hi Ed,
Tuner cleaner is good for pots but not switches, sliders, or key contacts. For sliders, it removes the lube and makes them stiff. Now I know that may sound paradoxical because tuner cleaner HAS lube in it - it's just not the right kind I guess. Use only compressed air to clean sliders. For switches, tuner cleaner just gunks them up. I recently found this out when doing the contact switches on my EX800. I eventually got them working again after multiple applications of contact cleaner. Thank god I never tried tuner cleaner on my
key contacts! The more I use tuner cleaner, the more I hate it and realize it has ONE use - cleaning pots. It's next to impossible to dispense a *small* application of the stuff. One little spritz and it's friggin' everywhere! There is a product called Cramolin Red(do a google search) that is supposed to be "everything that tuner cleaner isn't". If you've got tuner cleaner all over your contact area, you should clean it(and the rubber strip) off with 99% isopropyl and q-tips before trying the eraser solution below. The lube will
prevent the eraser from working.
I just finished fixing intermittent keys on my DX100. Here's what I posted on the YamahaDX group:
I used an eraser on the circuit board contacts, then cleaned off the eraser
residue with 99% isopropyl. Having done the problem area, I realized that the
rest of the keys were now not triggering as quickly as the freshly cleaned
area, so I did the whole keyboard. Like new now! I should say that the film
of oxidation was virtually invisible and I didn't notice it until I had
cleaned an area and compared it with the uncleaned portion. Here's where I
found out about the eraser. It's a vintage synth site but has lots of
universally applicable repair and maintenance tips with great pics.
http://www.oldcrows.net/~oldcrow/synth/korg/polysix/keyclean2.html

Hope this helps,
                        Shayne

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Yamaha key contact strip

2002-02-14 by Dharma Bummer

--- Shayne Cafferata <scafferata@...> wrote:
> Tuner cleaner is good for pots but not switches,
> sliders, or key contacts. For sliders, it removes
> the lube and makes them stiff. Now I know that may
> sound paradoxical because tuner cleaner HAS lube in
> it - it's just not the right kind I guess.

Then how should one lube sliders?  The ones of my ARP
Omni are mighty stiff...

BaM

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Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Yamaha key contact strip

2002-02-14 by Tom Moravansky

> --- Shayne Cafferata <scafferata@...> wrote:
> > Tuner cleaner is good for pots but not switches,
> > sliders, or key contacts. For sliders, it removes
> > the lube and makes them stiff. Now I know that may
> > sound paradoxical because tuner cleaner HAS lube in
> > it - it's just not the right kind I guess.
> 
> Then how should one lube sliders?  The ones of my ARP
> Omni are mighty stiff...
> 
> 
After years of playing around with different chemicals, etc the
advice I got from a senior tech still seems to be the best way:

Take the slider apart, carefully clean off all the parts with
something like isopropyl alcohol or similar, lubricate the
plastic parts that rub with some type of lithium grease (I've
been using Lubri-plate but I'm looking for something thicker)
and reassemble.  Spraying anything into a pot or slider without
taking them apart is not a good idea.

Some of the sealed pots present a problem that I haven't found a
solution to other than replacing obviously worn/damaged ones.

-- 

_______________________________________________________________________
Tom Moravansky                                    tom@...

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Yamaha key contact strip

2002-02-14 by Robert Williams

What about LPS?  Isn't it a cleaner and lubricant combined?  Think you
can only get it through electronics supply houses.

Rob

>>> bmarek@... 02/14/02 11:52 AM >>>
--- Shayne Cafferata <scafferata@...> wrote:
> Tuner cleaner is good for pots but not switches,
> sliders, or key contacts. For sliders, it removes
> the lube and makes them stiff. Now I know that may
> sound paradoxical because tuner cleaner HAS lube in
> it - it's just not the right kind I guess.

Then how should one lube sliders?  The ones of my ARP
Omni are mighty stiff...

BaM

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Re: Yamaha key contact strip

2002-02-15 by Robert Williams

The web page for LPS products is here:

http://www.lpslabs.com/Products/ProductLine.asp

Seems to me I've seen techs use this stuff for all kinds of electronics
cleaning and lubricating, including pots and sliders.  Not sure which of
their products is best for this.

Rob

>>> scafferata@... 02/15/02 10:43 AM >>>
>
>
> Message: 11
>    Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:04:20 -0800
>    From: "Robert Williams" <will7370@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Yamaha key contact strip
>
> What about LPS?  Isn't it a cleaner and lubricant combined?  Think you
> can only get it through electronics supply houses.
>
> Rob
>

What is the full name of this? I don't think I've heard of it before.
Great to finally see some discussion about cleaning techniques/products.
There are so many differing opinions on the topic(as I've recently
discovered!).

< Spraying anything into a pot or slider without
taking them apart is not a good idea.>

Although I greatly appreciate the rest of your advice, I can't imagine
the time involved in taking apart every pot that needs cleaning. I've
been using tuner cleaner to clean pots for years with satisfactory
results. The only problem, as I mentioned before, is getting a small
enough application. A common sense tip I just read somewhere says to
cover the surrounding area where you are spraying with a cloth to catch
the inevitable overspray.
Where is Lubri-plate available from in Canada? US?

Shayne

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Yamaha key contact strip

2002-02-15 by Tom Moravansky

> The web page for LPS products is here:
> 
> http://www.lpslabs.com/Products/ProductLine.asp
> 
> Seems to me I've seen techs use this stuff for all kinds of electronics
> cleaning and lubricating, including pots and sliders.  Not sure which of
> their products is best for this.
> 
> Rob
> 

Speaking of cleaning and lubricating,  I was in a electronics store
and saw that they had some highly conductive lubricating grease
for sale.  Initially I thought this would be a very bad thing, but
I can't articulate why.  Anyone ever use something like this?

re: taking apart sliders & pots -

I'm currently restoring 2 PolyMoogs (one to keep, one for eBay) and they
suffer the same fate as the MG-1 -- the felt behind the front panel that
was supposed to protect them from dust disintegrates and turns into tar
over the years.  All the sliders have black goo around and inside them.
I could just spray some cleaner in there, wiggle them around and it
would probably work for a while.  However, the problem is still in there.

Yes, it's taking a heckuva long time (mainly because I have other things
to do), but the results should be worth it.
-- 

_______________________________________________________________________
Tom Moravansky                                    tom@...

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Yamaha key contact strip

2002-02-16 by KS

Hello all

Try here  http://www.caig.com/

They have a bunch of excellent products I have used for many years.

Kim S


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> > The web page for LPS products is here:
> >
> > http://www.lpslabs.com/Products/ProductLine.asp
> >
> > Seems to me I've seen techs use this stuff for all kinds of electronics
> > cleaning and lubricating, including pots and sliders.  Not sure which of
> > their products is best for this.
> >
> > Rob
> >
>
> Speaking of cleaning and lubricating,  I was in a electronics store
> and saw that they had some highly conductive lubricating grease
> for sale.  Initially I thought this would be a very bad thing, but
> I can't articulate why.  Anyone ever use something like this?
>
> re: taking apart sliders & pots -
>
> I'm currently restoring 2 PolyMoogs (one to keep, one for eBay) and they
> suffer the same fate as the MG-1 -- the felt behind the front panel that
> was supposed to protect them from dust disintegrates and turns into tar
> over the years.  All the sliders have black goo around and inside them.
> I could just spray some cleaner in there, wiggle them around and it
> would probably work for a while.  However, the problem is still in there.
>
> Yes, it's taking a heckuva long time (mainly because I have other things
> to do), but the results should be worth it.
> --
>
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