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Roland VP-330 + WTB: SAD512

Roland VP-330 + WTB: SAD512

2009-05-07 by eggwheatis

I picked up a junked VP-330 MK1 that belonged to Procul Harum, It got put in a loft for 20 years and basically was a mess...both physically and electrically.

Snapped off pots, sliders...wrecked side panels, rusty etc..

Most of the faults lay on the chorus/output board.. bad BA662's, SAD1024 that modulates the Human voice and vocoder..(before it goes into the user selectable stereo SAD512 Ensemble circuit) 

Also it had a bad SAD512D in the ensemble circuit...I couldnt find any for sale and I had a SAD512 16 pin version and as I thought it was the same but in a different package, it would be an easy mod...however I quickly discovered that the 16 pin SAD512 does not have the internal clock driver circuit like the 8 pin version....dammit I thought..and so a 5 minute job turns into a marathon :o)

I looked at the circuits and realised all it needed was a cmos D type flip flop (4013) added between the transistor clock out and the SAD512..

So thats what i did, built a little converter circuit on bread board (consisting of a 16 pin SAD512 and a 4013 in sockets) and hardwired it into the orignal SAD512D space on the board. Works like a charm.

(Seems the 16 pin is available much more than the 8 pin version, so if anyone wants a copy of my very crudely hand drawn circuit let me know!)

So that was that I thought, calibrated the synth properly and it sounded great..I thought..until I tested it in stereo!! No ouput from the left channel! Yes two more SAD512D's have died on that channel, hence no output...boohooo..

So now I need two more...has anyone got any they can sell me...ideally SAD512D 8 pin to save me building more adapters! I will gladly take the 16 pin ones too though.

Please let me know, Phil.

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Roland VP-330 + WTB: SAD512

2009-05-07 by Alan Probandt

I have a tube of the Panasonic MN3207 bucket brigade ICs. This is a low-cost modern version of SAD1024 bucket-brigade chip. It runs on +5V instead of +15V and has 8 pins instead of 16. It generally sells for about $2-$4 each instead of the $15-$25 for the hard-to-find SAD chips. It was the main chip found in millions of cheap flanger and chorus guitar stompboxes in the 1980s and 1990s. I could sell a set of four for $10 (and $2 USPS shipping in the USA) including a data sheet. I'll upload the data sheet to the file section here. I can be reached at alan_probandt@....
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--- On Thu, 5/7/09, eggwheatis wrote:

From: eggwheatis
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Roland VP-330 + WTB: SAD512
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 7:08 AM

I picked up a junked VP-330 MK1 that belonged to Procul Harum, It got put in a loft for 20 years and basically was a mess...both physically and electrically.

Snapped off pots, sliders...wrecked side panels, rusty etc..

Most of the faults lay on the chorus/output board.. bad BA662's, SAD1024 that modulates the Human voice and vocoder..(before it goes into the user selectable stereo SAD512 Ensemble circuit)

Also it had a bad SAD512D in the ensemble circuit...I couldnt find any for sale and I had a SAD512 16 pin version and as I thought it was the same but in a different package, it would be an easy mod...however I quickly discovered that the 16 pin SAD512 does not have the internal clock driver circuit like the 8 pin version....dammit I thought..and so a 5 minute job turns into a marathon :o)

I looked at the circuits and realised all it needed was a cmos D type flip flop (4013) added between the transistor clock out and the SAD512..

So thats what i did, built a little converter circuit on bread board (consisting of a 16 pin SAD512 and a 4013 in sockets) and hardwired it into the orignal SAD512D space on the board. Works like a charm.

(Seems the 16 pin is available much more than the 8 pin version, so if anyone wants a copy of my very crudely hand drawn circuit let me know!)

So that was that I thought, calibrated the synth properly and it sounded great..I thought..until I tested it in stereo!! No ouput from the left channel! Yes two more SAD512D's have died on that channel, hence no output...boohooo..

So now I need two more...has anyone got any they can sell me...ideally SAD512D 8 pin to save me building more adapters! I will gladly take the 16 pin ones too though.

Please let me know, Phil.












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Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Roland VP-330 + WTB: SAD512

2009-05-07 by Philip

Thanks, but I am ok for the SAD1024...I got a spare anyway. It is the SAD512D 8 or 16 pin I need.
Phil.

--- On Thu, 7/5/09, Alan Probandt wrote:
From: Alan Probandt
Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Roland VP-330 + WTB: SAD512
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 3:43 PM

I have a tube of the Panasonic MN3207 bucket brigade ICs. This is a low-cost modern version of SAD1024 bucket-brigade chip. It runs on +5V instead of +15V and has 8 pins instead of 16. It generally sells for about $2-$4 each instead of the $15-$25 for the hard-to-find SAD chips. It was the main chip found in millions of cheap flanger and chorus guitar stompboxes in the 1980s and 1990s. I could sell a set of four for $10 (and $2 USPS shipping in the USA) including a data sheet. I'll upload the data sheet to the file section here. I can be reached at alan_probandt@ yahoo.com.
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--- On Thu, 5/7/09, eggwheatis wrote:

From: eggwheatis
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair ] Roland VP-330 + WTB: SAD512
To: vintagesynthrepair@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 7:08 AM

I picked up a junked VP-330 MK1 that belonged to Procul Harum, It got put in a loft for 20 years and basically was a mess...both physically and electrically.

Snapped off pots, sliders...wrecked side panels, rusty etc..

Most of the faults lay on the chorus/output board.. bad BA662's, SAD1024 that modulates the Human voice and vocoder..(before it goes into the user selectable stereo SAD512 Ensemble circuit)

Also it had a bad SAD512D in the ensemble circuit...I couldnt find any for sale and I had a SAD512 16 pin version and as I thought it was the same but in a different package, it would be an easy mod...however I quickly discovered that the 16 pin SAD512 does not have the internal clock driver circuit like the 8 pin version....dammit I thought..and so a 5 minute job turns into a marathon :o)

I looked at the circuits and realised all it needed was a cmos D type flip flop (4013) added between the transistor clock out and the SAD512..

So thats what i did, built a little converter circuit on bread board (consisting of a 16 pin SAD512 and a 4013 in sockets) and hardwired it into the orignal SAD512D space on the board. Works like a charm.

(Seems the 16 pin is available much more than the 8 pin version, so if anyone wants a copy of my very crudely hand drawn circuit let me know!)

So that was that I thought, calibrated the synth properly and it sounded great..I thought..until I tested it in stereo!! No ouput from the left channel! Yes two more SAD512D's have died on that channel, hence no output...boohooo. .

So now I need two more...has anyone got any they can sell me...ideally SAD512D 8 pin to save me building more adapters! I will gladly take the 16 pin ones too though.

Please let me know, Phil.












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