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It sure sounds interesting from what ive learned about it. I wonder if it would be more musically useful when its applied to drones or evolving notes, as i can see how it might get lost in the chatter if used in conjunction with a sequencer.
   How does the gestural function work, ie. what is its purpose? I envision it allowing the user to shape the motion and/or trajectory of the sound almost like how one plays a chord on a piano or a guitar. And, where its applied to all of the audio-rate frequencies of other modules, it might bring a kind of faux-polyphony to the table.
  It will be great to see what becomes of it & im glad to hear its still being worked on!
  -Matt
   p.s. Anyone interested in the Envelooper should check out Doc Mabuses Modern Implement Company webpage- it has a pretty cool history & application of the idea.

Grant Richter wrote: 
>             I have a working Envelooper module with software. 
> It is quite fascinating from an engineering perspective. 
> I have been working for a year or so to try and find if it can do anything musical. 
> It can in the sense of Subotnick's "player piano" technique (4 Butterflys). It excels at "bug" 
> music, but I have yet to find a way to make it relevant to the tradition of western music. 
> I do keep trying and experimenting. I have man-years invested in development, I can not 
> simply "forget about it", but it would tank in the market as it is today. Fall like a rock, 
> submarine anchor, you get the idea. 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogro ups.com , frank death <maldoroar@. ..> wrote: 
>> 
>> I can only conceptualize the Envelooper, as i havent seen a mock-up front panel for it. 
> Im just really curious about its history, its applications, and also of course, its possible 
> availability. I wonder if its vaguely related to other gestural synthesis technology that you 
> see in stuff used by Stellarc, for example. 
>>   So my conceptual understanding of it may be wrong, i dont know. Its interesting that 
> many software synthesizers have multi-point envelopes, and these enable the user to 
> program very weird, very musical & evolving patches. So imagine having say 10 or more 
> multi-point (ie. not just an ADSR) envelope outputs that would allow you to shape 10 or 
> more parameters (eg. oscillator frequency) in the synthesizer. .. But im also wondering if 
> you could use a sequencer to achieve this? 
>>   Perhaps the Envelooper sits at the realm of digital functionality where it serves only to 
> bring real-time control to otherwise common digital synthesis functions. But again, in an 
> analog environment (say, as part of a full 300 system), the Envelooper (conceptually) 
> sounds like it would be very exciting. 
>>  -Matt 
>> 
>> Dennis Verschoor wrote: 
>> >             Yeah i am still kinda excited about the envelooper. But i am afraid that due the 
> lack of interest it will never be released. Cheers, Dennis On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 11:51 AM, 
> frank death < maldoroar@yahoo. com > wrote: 
>> >             Hello All 
>> > im not sure if this is the best way to raise this subject & its kind of directed to 
> everyone & if Grant wants to let us know whats being dreamed up then that would be 
> great. 
>> >   Ive been reading up about the Wiard Envelooper & im wondering if that module is 
> still going to happen? On paper it sounds like a fantastic idea & if i understand it correctly 
> it would allow the user to draw in multi-staged/ multi-looping envelopes that with the 
> push of a button trigger the envelope shapes to wherever they have been assigned in the 
> synthesizer. I wonder also exactly how one draws in an envelope? Does it mean that you 
> use the Wave256 software (as you would with the Waveform City)? 
>> >   Grant also mentions gestural synthesis which reminds me of how a conductor directs 
> individual musicians within an orchestra & the sum of instruments play the music. To me 
> the idea of the Envelooper & gestural synthesis modules (in theory)  bring the modular 
> synthesizer under greater control of the user & the greater the control & the more refined 
> the instrument- the greater its musical functionality. Of couse everyones idea of what 
> music is varies a lot however the potential for modules with gestural functions sounds 
> extremely interesting to me (and im sure many others too!). 
>> >    In fact something like an oscillator with gestural functions would also be very 
> interesting. One starts to think of all kinds of inputs & outputs communicating with each 
> other all at the touch of a button. Only problem is that at some point it begins to resemble 
> sampling and many modern keyboard instruments do have buttons that provide multi- 
> functions. However theres a massive distinction between a digital synthesizer & a 300 
> series module with its functionality! 
>> >   Also last year Grant invited ideas & discussion for potential functions for future 
> modules and im wondering if people are still thinking about it? Id love to see a module 
> with 2 to 4 different recording/looping ICs that the user could cross-mix audio to create 
> multi-loops all under the ability to shift eachs frequency & duration. I actually want to 
> experiment on this idea myself. But yeah- id like to see a Wiard Delay/Looper/ Frequency 
> Shifter for sure. 
>> >  Anyway- just wanted to keep things ticking over & would like to hear any thoughts. 
> Cheers 
>> >  -Matt 
>> >  -- Music at: http://robotdj. net/?dj=mono- poly http://www.twango. com/channel/ 
> mono-poly. public 
>> >  http://www.myspace. com/zond3 http://www.myspace. com/bomono 
>> > 
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