Wiardgroup

> From: "skuehnl" <skuehnl@yahoo.de>
> Reply-To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:11:27 -0000
> To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: web groups: salons or erudition or walls of
> grafitti?
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@y..., Bill Sequeira <bill@a...> wrote:
> 
>> I think there is a significant amount of mixing of an individual's
>> identity with what they have/bought/use/do.
> 
> Very well put, I agree, this is what I wrote about.
> 
> Regarding your other points Bill your observations certainly are
> correct, but it's not necessary to become pessimistic, just expect a
> little less from the others. The most important question is if what
> you do is fine for yourself.

Entirely agree, as it is always the pursue of one's purpose that
validates a choice.  Didn't mean to sound so pessimistic though.  :-)
 
> Next step would be if you are pleased with what others do. If yes
> fine. If not, pick those you like and assume that those you not like
> are still having fun with the things they bought. And if even that is
> not the case, well it's their problem not yours or mine

Agree as well.  However the issue is born when there is translation
of feelings/reasons/purpose onto others.  I.e., the typical human
behavior introduced by fundamentalism, where a fundamentalist believes
that others should behave and think in the same way as s/he does, and
if not they need to change or be changed.

> However yes it may be the problem of the manufacturer if he feels a
> sale and all the precious previous work was wasted. Fortunately in
> this respect the days of Buchla (at least in the rather unsupportive
> and elitarian ways that have been purported unto my younger
> generation) are over, but generally I am positively supportive of
> customers supporting the providers of their patchcord happiness with
> honest opinions and user feedback and emotional support.
> 
> Which closes the circle to your first paragraph Bill, because: where
> do you draw the line between honestly enthusiatic and grateful
> supporters of brand X and those that go with it for their own
> identification and image?

Good question.  Not being a psychologist/sociologist limits my response,
but here are my humble $0.02: it is when I try to tell someone that they
are wrong because they feel different than I do, and then try to impose
my way of thinking onto them.  A good critical exchange should leave both
(or multiple) parties with valuable information of the points of view
exchanged, and should enable them to choose in the future based on
info they did not have before.  This enriches everyone.

Of course there is respect involved, no need to personalize the discussion.

It is when it gets personal, for or against a manufacturer or someone
who posts, that a healthy debate turns into an ego clash.  That is where
I, at least, draw the line, as my interest is to discuss an item rather
than a person.

Not sure it completely answers your question, but it's a try.  :-)

> I don't care to discriminate and judge. If anyone can, it's the
> manufacturers themselves. And if my observations are correct, then
> most of the time they don't care to, either.

Also agree with no judgment.  I honestly have deep admiration for folks
who have an idea and decide to turn it into reality.  There are always
a myriad of suggestions, but ultimately it is up to the manufacturer
to decide what goes in and out of a product.  Then it is for us users
to vote with our wallets and put it to good use.

I guess part of the message I wanted to convey was that the focus of
these systems is to produce music, but folks have more than that in
mind when they discuss them.


Regards,

Bill
______________________________________________________________________
 Bill Sequeira, Ph.D.
 Principal, Axon Hillock