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2004-10-29 by fhserge

Hi all,

still confused when exploring wiard.com I have some questions 
regarding Wiard modules:

- Are Wiard 300 modules still available or NOT???
The Wiard website states:
...Expensive and with long delivery times! 
...CALL!
...The Legendary Wiard 300 Series. Too exotic for the primitive 
civilization of the 20th century, these hand built museum pieces now 
command a King's Ransom. 

- Will there be a Borg filter and a Woggle Bug in Blacet format?

- Is there a blue rack in Blacet format available?

- How and when to order the new Boogie Filter? Will it also be 
available in blue?

Answers which can help are appreciated!

Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-10-29 by Gary Chang

Frank,

The issue has been Grant's lack of faceplates and the enormous
out-of-pocket expense of creating new ones.  Presently, certain 300
modules are on LONG wait times due to lack of 300 faceplaes, which are
cut, drilled, anodized and silkscreened.

Using the fpd file method for creating panels may eventually put 300
series modules back into regular production.   

This method was first used when converting the black 1200 series
modules into the blue, lion-faced Wiard logo modules now found on the
website.

Rather than purchasing 10 units of 8 modules' worth of metalwork (as
Grant has done in the past, laying out $100s of dollars), once a
module is converted to a fpd file, Grant will then be able to order a
faceplate for a module when an order is made.

Custom modifications and graphics are easily added, and custom panels
and installs will be much easier to accomodate.

My project with Grant to convert my Black 1200 series modules to Blue,
Lion-clad ones provided funds to do the graphic conversions for the
1200 series.

IMHO, (of course - check with Grant to be sure about this); Grant
would be most interested to find a project that would fund his time to
convert the 300 series module graphics to the fpd format.


So, that is where the 300 series is at today.

Gary Chang
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Hi all,
> 
> still confused when exploring wiard.com I have some questions 
> regarding Wiard modules:
> 
> - Are Wiard 300 modules still available or NOT???
> The Wiard website states:
> ...Expensive and with long delivery times! 
> ...CALL!
> ...The Legendary Wiard 300 Series. Too exotic for the primitive 
> civilization of the 20th century, these hand built museum pieces now 
> command a King's Ransom. 
> 
> - Will there be a Borg filter and a Woggle Bug in Blacet format?
> 
> - Is there a blue rack in Blacet format available?
> 
> - How and when to order the new Boogie Filter? Will it also be 
> available in blue?
> 
> Answers which can help are appreciated!

Re: Wiard "FAQs" addenum...

2004-10-29 by Gary Chang

Frank,

Also in response to your question, Grant is designing special Blue
trim plates to retrofit frac racks that one mounts Blue modules....

I, on the other hand, am asking about having made a dual Boogie in 300
packaging...!

Gary

Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-10-29 by grantrichter2001

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "fhserge" 
<Frank.Hettlich@g...> wrote:
> 
> - Will there be a Borg filter and a Woggle Bug in Blacet format?

I have a design for a OTA based version of the Borg filter I call the 
"Heresy" filter. It can track 1 volt per octave. So the single module 
can function as a VCO, VCF or VCA. The Borg filter is a Korg 
MS-20 filter made with Buchla parts. The Heresy filter is a Buchla 
filter made with MS-20 parts.

> 
> - Is there a blue rack in Blacet format available?

I am going to design blue replacements for the black side 
panels on Blacet racks. They will have cool engraving using a 
knotted celtic font with "Wiard" arranged vertically.
> 
> - How and when to order the new Boogie Filter? Will it also be 
> available in blue?

I will have more information and sound samples next week. All 
the 1200 series will be available in blue or black. Yes, ther will 
be a blue version of the Boogie Filter faceplate.

Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-10-29 by Frank Hettlich

Hello Grant, hello Gary,

You made me really much happier talking more "clear text" in your replies!!!

Being enthusiastic having bought my first Wiard module some weeks ago I
personally spent a LOT of money to immediately buy an entry level six panel
plus Joystick controller Wiard 300 system ($800 per module instead of around
$450 for a new module...).

I would have been far more satisfied making Grant - as the manufacturer -
"rich" rather than others but I asked Grant several times to give me a quote
and never got a "definitive" answer!? I would have spent "some" $$$ to get
an even "bigger/larger" system (more VCOs, more filters like Garys system
which I absolutely like) if I could have bought them new at a reasonable
price directly from Grant...

Ok that was the past...now I am happy to see Grant working on new exciting
"projects" and will wait for the day the Wiard 300 might be born again (Gary
you gave me some hope)!?

Some members have also asked if that Boogie Filter is a limited edition of
only 50 modules or will there be as much modules as requested?

Thanks a lot

Frank


> - Will there be a Borg filter and a Woggle Bug in Blacet format?

I have a design for a OTA based version of the Borg filter I call the 
"Heresy" filter. It can track 1 volt per octave. So the single module 
can function as a VCO, VCF or VCA. The Borg filter is a Korg 
MS-20 filter made with Buchla parts. The Heresy filter is a Buchla 
filter made with MS-20 parts.

> 
> - Is there a blue rack in Blacet format available?

I am going to design blue replacements for the black side 
panels on Blacet racks. They will have cool engraving using a 
knotted celtic font with "Wiard" arranged vertically.
> 
> - How and when to order the new Boogie Filter? Will it also be 
> available in blue?

I will have more information and sound samples next week. All 
the 1200 series will be available in blue or black. Yes, ther will 
be a blue version of the Boogie Filter faceplate.

> 
> 
> Frank,
> 
> The issue has been Grant's lack of faceplates and the enormous
> out-of-pocket expense of creating new ones.  Presently, certain 300
> modules are on LONG wait times due to lack of 300 faceplaes, which are
> cut, drilled, anodized and silkscreened.
> 
> Using the fpd file method for creating panels may eventually put 300
> series modules back into regular production.   
> 
> This method was first used when converting the black 1200 series
> modules into the blue, lion-faced Wiard logo modules now found on the
> website.
> 
> Rather than purchasing 10 units of 8 modules' worth of metalwork (as
> Grant has done in the past, laying out $100s of dollars), once a
> module is converted to a fpd file, Grant will then be able to order a
> faceplate for a module when an order is made.
> 
> Custom modifications and graphics are easily added, and custom panels
> and installs will be much easier to accomodate.
> 
> My project with Grant to convert my Black 1200 series modules to Blue,
> Lion-clad ones provided funds to do the graphic conversions for the
> 1200 series.
> 
> IMHO, (of course - check with Grant to be sure about this); Grant
> would be most interested to find a project that would fund his time to
> convert the 300 series module graphics to the fpd format.
> 
> 
> So, that is where the 300 series is at today.
> 
> Gary Chang
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > still confused when exploring wiard.com I have some questions 
> > regarding Wiard modules:
> > 
> > - Are Wiard 300 modules still available or NOT???
> > The Wiard website states:
> > ...Expensive and with long delivery times! 
> > ...CALL!
> > ...The Legendary Wiard 300 Series. Too exotic for the primitive 
> > civilization of the 20th century, these hand built museum pieces now 
> > command a King's Ransom. 
> > 
> > - Will there be a Borg filter and a Woggle Bug in Blacet format?
> > 
> > - Is there a blue rack in Blacet format available?
> > 
> > - How and when to order the new Boogie Filter? Will it also be 
> > available in blue?
> > 
> > Answers which can help are appreciated!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Frank Hettlich Schulung und Consulting
Wartburgstr. 18
D-49124 Georgsmarienhuette
Tel. +49-5401-59443
Mob. +49-173-2702264

Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-10-30 by grantrichter2001

> Some members have also asked if that Boogie Filter is a 
limited edition of
> only 50 modules or will there be as much modules as 
requested?
> 

I do not deliberately limit the number of anything sold. I will make 
as many as I can get parts for.

BUT all analog parts are disappearing on a daily basis. Through 
hole parts in general are doubling in price each year. If it is 
analog, I would not wait to get it. The CA3080 was just 
discontinued by Intersil, and I am forced to make a lifetime buy 
soon.

Analog parts are less profitable to manufacture than digital, so 
there is an incentive for parts manufacturers to make them 
disappear.

It is because analog works at higher voltages than digital. The 
silicon dies have to be larger because of the higher voltages, so 
it takes more silicon to make analog parts than digital.

Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-10-30 by Rob Hoffman

Thank you for the clarification Grant. It was mentioned on the list 
before that the boogie filters limited availability was about parts. 
Are there any parts in your other modules that are becoming scarce that 
we should stock up on if we find them ? Back when I had a Prophet 10 
and Prophet 5 I bought a couple of Wine Country Survival kits in fear 
that one day the synths would be unfixable.

Thanks

Rob

On Saturday, October 30, 2004, at 09:56 AM, grantrichter2001 wrote:
>
>
> I do not deliberately limit the number of anything sold. I will make
> as many as I can get parts for.
>
> BUT all analog parts are disappearing on a daily basis. Through
> hole parts in general are doubling in price each year. If it is
> analog, I would not wait to get it. The CA3080 was just
> discontinued by Intersil, and I am forced to make a lifetime buy
> soon.
>
> Analog parts are less profitable to manufacture than digital, so
> there is an incentive for parts manufacturers to make them
> disappear.
>
> It is because analog works at higher voltages than digital. The
> silicon dies have to be larger because of the higher voltages, so
> it takes more silicon to make analog parts than digital.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-10-30 by Justin Modra

Grant:
What makes the Transconductance Operational Amplifier
so special for synth applications?
- Justin

--- grantrichter2001 <grichter@asapnet.net> wrote:

> 
> > Some members have also asked if that Boogie Filter
> is a 
> limited edition of
> > only 50 modules or will there be as much modules
> as 
> requested?
> > 
> 
> I do not deliberately limit the number of anything
> sold. I will make 
> as many as I can get parts for.
> 
> BUT all analog parts are disappearing on a daily
> basis. Through 
> hole parts in general are doubling in price each
> year. If it is 
> analog, I would not wait to get it. The CA3080 was
> just 
> discontinued by Intersil, and I am forced to make a
> lifetime buy 
> soon.
> 
> Analog parts are less profitable to manufacture than
> digital, so 
> there is an incentive for parts manufacturers to
> make them 
> disappear.
> 
> It is because analog works at higher voltages than
> digital. The 
> silicon dies have to be larger because of the higher
> voltages, so 
> it takes more silicon to make analog parts than
> digital.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-10-30 by skuehnl

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Hettlich" 
<Frank.Hettlich@g...> wrote:
> Hello Grant, hello Gary,
> 
> You made me really much happier talking more "clear text" in your 
replies!!!
> 
> Being enthusiastic having bought my first Wiard module some weeks 
ago I
> personally spent a LOT of money to immediately buy an entry level 
six panel
> plus Joystick controller Wiard 300 system ($800 per module instead 
of around
> $450 for a new module...).
> 
> I would have been far more satisfied making Grant - as the 
manufacturer -
> "rich" rather than others 

I sure wish you'd have made me rich! ;-) Actually I didn't even cover 
my original expenses. Nevermind, I'm glad to see you're happy with 
the modules, I still share everybody's enthusiasm here and hope I'll 
be able to buy some modules again in the future (and make Grant rich).
Back to lurking - Sebastian

Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-10-31 by drmabuce

Hi Justin
     i hope you will forgive the intrusion, as your email
specifically addressed Grant. And  i hope Grant will respond as well
because you can bet he will have something interesting to say. But
your question is just too juicy to pass up. It touches on a lot of
very critical issues concerning analog module designs.
     An "OTA" (Operational Transconductance Amplifier) can be
used as a PRECISION voltage controlled resistor (it has other
applications as well but that's a whole `nother story).
Analog synthesis is one of the realms where voltage control is STILL
, pretty much, THE crucial method of control.  A device that turns a
voltage into a resistance is one of the handiest things designers can
have in their toolkits when they set out to steer voltage on complex
courses.  Now, there are a bunch of components that can pull this
conversion off. Diodes, Transistors,  Photoresistors, even
M.O.V's can do this trick too. But the distinguishing feature of
the OTA is it's PRECISION. i don't know of any other analog
component that yields 1v/octave scaling as painlessly as an OTA.
That's why they're so desirable. Tom Henry of Midwest Analog 
Products wrote a terrific little book called `Making Music with
the 3080 OTA.' 
http://www.midwest-analog.com/catbooks.html
It's a great source of information on  OTA's in general, not
just the venerable and capricious 3080.
      Another issue is why they're becoming so rare.  The quick
and dirty answer is that `science' marches on, but money
SPRINTS ahead. It's a digital world now. The entire commercial
analog hardware `industry' is barely more than a hobby for
about a couple dozen people. It's ENTIRE annual financial
input/output is the   equivalent of  one smallish owner-operated
american tavern.   Digital hardware designs and software yield much
greater precision and economy. The synthesizer - industry – moved
there 20 years ago, so thoroughly in fact, that even experts are now
hard-pressed to discern quickly whether an order for that synth you
see in an EM ad will bring an actual  synthesizer, or a little
cardboard box with a disc in it to your house (hint: the price is the
best criterion). Digital hardware (and so much less, softsynths) have
no need for OTA's.  The cheapest DAC can outperform the best OTA
in a contest for precision. So just like steam engines the economy
sets the context and OTA's are obsolete. 
     So everybody knows that they don't make ARP2600's
anymore but it's less widely known that they don't make the
components with which you could MAKE (or repair) ARP2600's
anymore either. Modern hardware design is standardized on
surface-mount (SOIC) chips (even Grant  used this method for the
noiz-ring). These chips are TINY – about the size of a booger .
They have the advantage of being cheap,  and plentiful and, to be
fair, many of the `greatest hits' of the analog chip world
are still being manufactured in SOIC packages. But these lilliputian
critters are designed for the convenience of automated assembly lines
not human fingers. As Grant has pointed-out, manufacturers have
stopped making many OTA types altogether  So the only stocks in
existence are in the discontinued stock of distributors and prices 
are adjusted accordingly until they're all sold and then it
becomes an auction. In this sense EVERY piece of analog gear is a
limited edition!
      This screed is not the whole story of course, there are many
corollaries to the axiom "all things must pass' (the tube
renaissance, handmade discrete op-amps etc.) but beware! I can
prattle on for hours about that too! 
      i can't say this enough:  get `em while you can.

Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-11-08 by Justin Modra

Dr Maduce:
Thanks very much for the reply. 
I'm still not sure why a plain old op amp and FET won't work instead of an OTA - other than the OTA provides a variable resistance. Well, I'll have to research this some more with my OTA and Norton Op Amp cookbook.
- Justin
 
PS - Here's a NOISE RING question for the group:
 
"n+1" AUX OUT is a voltage based on a number between 0 and 255 plus one. Each value of n is related to the next as allowed by the CHANCE and CHANGE settings. Is this a simulation of Brownian motion? (Ref - Fractal Geometry of Nature by Mandelbrot, pages 12, 13, 233)
 
But what does the "2^n" OUT voltage represent? 2^255 is 58E75. 
 
And in the block diagram for the NOISE RING - why does each bit in the shift register have a line connecting it to the DACs?
 

drmabuce <drmabuce@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Justin
     i hope you will forgive the intrusion, as your email
specifically addressed Grant. And  i hope Grant will respond as well
because you can bet he will have something interesting to say. But
your question is just too juicy to pass up. It touches on a lot of
very critical issues concerning analog module designs.
     An "OTA" (Operational Transconductance Amplifier) can be
used as a PRECISION voltage controlled resistor (it has other
applications as well but that's a whole `nother story).
Analog synthesis is one of the realms where voltage control is STILL
, pretty much, THE crucial method of control.  A device that turns a
voltage into a resistance is one of the handiest things designers can
have in their toolkits when they set out to steer voltage on complex
courses.  Now, there are a bunch of components that can pull this
conversion off. Diodes, Transistors,  Photoresistors, even
M.O.V's can do this trick too. But the distinguishing feature of
the OTA is it's PRECISION. i don't know of any other analog
component that yields 1v/octave scaling as painlessly as an OTA.
That's why they're so desirable. Tom Henry of Midwest Analog 
Products wrote a terrific little book called `Making Music with
the 3080 OTA.' 
http://www.midwest-analog.com/catbooks.html
It's a great source of information on  OTA's in general, not
just the venerable and capricious 3080.
      Another issue is why they're becoming so rare.  The quick
and dirty answer is that `science' marches on, but money
SPRINTS ahead. It's a digital world now. The entire commercial
analog hardware `industry' is barely more than a hobby for
about a couple dozen people. It's ENTIRE annual financial
input/output is the   equivalent of  one smallish owner-operated
american tavern.   Digital hardware designs and software yield much
greater precision and economy. The synthesizer - industry � moved
there 20 years ago, so thoroughly in fact, that even experts are now
hard-pressed to discern quickly whether an order for that synth you
see in an EM ad will bring an actual  synthesizer, or a little
cardboard box with a disc in it to your house (hint: the price is the
best criterion). Digital hardware (and so much less, softsynths) have
no need for OTA's.  The cheapest DAC can outperform the best OTA
in a contest for precision. So just like steam engines the economy
sets the context and OTA's are obsolete. 
     So everybody knows that they don't make ARP2600's
anymore but it's less widely known that they don't make the
components with which you could MAKE (or repair) ARP2600's
anymore either. Modern hardware design is standardized on
surface-mount (SOIC) chips (even Grant  used this method for the
noiz-ring). These chips are TINY � about the size of a booger .
They have the advantage of being cheap,  and plentiful and, to be
fair, many of the `greatest hits' of the analog chip world
are still being manufactured in SOIC packages. But these lilliputian
critters are designed for the convenience of automated assembly lines
not human fingers. As Grant has pointed-out, manufacturers have
stopped making many OTA types altogether  So the only stocks in
existence are in the discontinued stock of distributors and prices 
are adjusted accordingly until they're all sold and then it
becomes an auction. In this sense EVERY piece of analog gear is a
limited edition!
      This screed is not the whole story of course, there are many
corollaries to the axiom "all things must pass' (the tube
renaissance, handmade discrete op-amps etc.) but beware! I can
prattle on for hours about that too! 
      i can't say this enough:  get `em while you can.





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Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-11-08 by grantrichter2001

Must be a typo.

Here is the correction:

"n+1" AUX OUT is a voltage based on a number between 0 and  
8 plus one. Each value of n is related to the next as allowed by 
the CHANCE and CHANGE settings. n+1 out is a linearly 
weighted DAC.

> Is this a simulation of Brownian motion? (Ref - Fractal 
Geometry of Nature by Mandelbrot, pages 12, 13, 233)

Brownian motion is a infinite 2 dimensional matrix function with 
independent coordinates. The Noise Ring outputs are not 
independent.
>  

Correction:

> But what does the "2^n" OUT voltage represent? 2^8 is 256. 
2^n out is an exponentially weighted DAC

>  
> And in the block diagram for the NOISE RING - why does each 
bit in the shift register have a line connecting it to the DACs?

Those are the 8 bits that get changed to 256 voltage levels.
>  
> 
> drmabuce <drmabuce@y...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Justin
>      i hope you will forgive the intrusion, as your email
> specifically addressed Grant. And  i hope Grant will respond as 
well
> because you can bet he will have something interesting to say. 
But
> your question is just too juicy to pass up. It touches on a lot of
> very critical issues concerning analog module designs.
>      An "OTA" (Operational Transconductance Amplifier) can be
> used as a PRECISION voltage controlled resistor (it has other
> applications as well but that's a whole `nother story).
> Analog synthesis is one of the realms where voltage control is 
STILL
> , pretty much, THE crucial method of control.  A device that 
turns a
> voltage into a resistance is one of the handiest things 
designers can
> have in their toolkits when they set out to steer voltage on 
complex
> courses.  Now, there are a bunch of components that can pull 
this
> conversion off. Diodes, Transistors,  Photoresistors, even
> M.O.V's can do this trick too. But the distinguishing feature of
> the OTA is it's PRECISION. i don't know of any other analog
> component that yields 1v/octave scaling as painlessly as an 
OTA.
> That's why they're so desirable. Tom Henry of Midwest Analog 
> Products wrote a terrific little book called `Making Music with
> the 3080 OTA.' 
> http://www.midwest-analog.com/catbooks.html
> It's a great source of information on  OTA's in general, not
> just the venerable and capricious 3080.
>       Another issue is why they're becoming so rare.  The quick
> and dirty answer is that `science' marches on, but money
> SPRINTS ahead. It's a digital world now. The entire 
commercial
> analog hardware `industry' is barely more than a hobby for
> about a couple dozen people. It's ENTIRE annual financial
> input/output is the   equivalent of  one smallish owner-operated
> american tavern.   Digital hardware designs and software yield 
much
> greater precision and economy. The synthesizer - industry – 
moved
> there 20 years ago, so thoroughly in fact, that even experts are 
now
> hard-pressed to discern quickly whether an order for that synth 
you
> see in an EM ad will bring an actual  synthesizer, or a little
> cardboard box with a disc in it to your house (hint: the price is 
the
> best criterion). Digital hardware (and so much less, softsynths) 
have
> no need for OTA's.  The cheapest DAC can outperform the best 
OTA
> in a contest for precision. So just like steam engines the 
economy
> sets the context and OTA's are obsolete. 
>      So everybody knows that they don't make ARP2600's
> anymore but it's less widely known that they don't make the
> components with which you could MAKE (or repair) ARP2600's
> anymore either. Modern hardware design is standardized on
> surface-mount (SOIC) chips (even Grant  used this method for 
the
> noiz-ring). These chips are TINY – about the size of a booger .
> They have the advantage of being cheap,  and plentiful and, to 
be
> fair, many of the `greatest hits' of the analog chip world
> are still being manufactured in SOIC packages. But these 
lilliputian
> critters are designed for the convenience of automated 
assembly lines
> not human fingers. As Grant has pointed-out, manufacturers 
have
> stopped making many OTA types altogether  So the only stocks 
in
> existence are in the discontinued stock of distributors and 
prices 
> are adjusted accordingly until they're all sold and then it
> becomes an auction. In this sense EVERY piece of analog 
gear is a
> limited edition!
>       This screed is not the whole story of course, there are many
> corollaries to the axiom "all things must pass' (the tube
> renaissance, handmade discrete op-amps etc.) but beware! I 
can
> prattle on for hours about that too! 
>       i can't say this enough:  get `em while you can.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-11-08 by grantrichter2001

>  
> PS - Here's a NOISE RING question for the group:
>  
> "n+1" AUX OUT is a voltage based on a number between 0 and 
255 plus one.

Where does it say this? It is not in the manual! I changed the 
manual to make it more clear.

Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-11-08 by Skot Wiedmann

the outputs are different weightings of the bits on
the shift register.  one is linear (n+1) and the other
is exponential (2^n).  the exp is the common way to
interpret binary words, with a MSB and LSB etc. but
the linear gives a different responce.  so that is why
the bits are connected to the dac's, because the
output is a interpretation of all the bits in the
register as an 8-bit word.
as for the brownian noise question, i think it dosent
apply since the relationship between one output level
and the next is not what the "change" control
dictates.  instead it controls the probability that
new data will be loaded in the top bit.  

hope that helps.

skot


--- Justin Modra <nitrohepcat@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dr Maduce:
> Thanks very much for the reply. 
> I'm still not sure why a plain old op amp and FET
> won't work instead of an OTA - other than the OTA
> provides a variable resistance. Well, I'll have to
> research this some more with my OTA and Norton Op
> Amp cookbook.
> - Justin
>  
> PS - Here's a NOISE RING question for the group:
>  
> "n+1" AUX OUT is a voltage based on a number between
> 0 and 255 plus one. Each value of n is related to
> the next as allowed by the CHANCE and CHANGE
> settings. Is this a simulation of Brownian motion?
> (Ref - Fractal Geometry of Nature by Mandelbrot,
> pages 12, 13, 233)
>  
> But what does the "2^n" OUT voltage represent? 2^255
> is 58E75. 
>  
> And in the block diagram for the NOISE RING - why
> does each bit in the shift register have a line
> connecting it to the DACs?
>  
> 
> drmabuce <drmabuce@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Justin
>      i hope you will forgive the intrusion, as your
> email
> specifically addressed Grant. And  i hope Grant will
> respond as well
> because you can bet he will have something
> interesting to say. But
> your question is just too juicy to pass up. It
> touches on a lot of
> very critical issues concerning analog module
> designs.
>      An "OTA" (Operational Transconductance
> Amplifier) can be
> used as a PRECISION voltage controlled resistor (it
> has other
> applications as well but that's a whole `nother
> story).
> Analog synthesis is one of the realms where voltage
> control is STILL
> , pretty much, THE crucial method of control.  A
> device that turns a
> voltage into a resistance is one of the handiest
> things designers can
> have in their toolkits when they set out to steer
> voltage on complex
> courses.  Now, there are a bunch of components that
> can pull this
> conversion off. Diodes, Transistors, 
> Photoresistors, even
> M.O.V's can do this trick too. But the
> distinguishing feature of
> the OTA is it's PRECISION. i don't know of any other
> analog
> component that yields 1v/octave scaling as
> painlessly as an OTA.
> That's why they're so desirable. Tom Henry of
> Midwest Analog 
> Products wrote a terrific little book called `Making
> Music with
> the 3080 OTA.' 
> http://www.midwest-analog.com/catbooks.html
> It's a great source of information on  OTA's in
> general, not
> just the venerable and capricious 3080.
>       Another issue is why they're becoming so rare.
>  The quick
> and dirty answer is that `science' marches on, but
> money
> SPRINTS ahead. It's a digital world now. The entire
> commercial
> analog hardware `industry' is barely more than a
> hobby for
> about a couple dozen people. It's ENTIRE annual
> financial
> input/output is the   equivalent of  one smallish
> owner-operated
> american tavern.   Digital hardware designs and
> software yield much
> greater precision and economy. The synthesizer -
> industry � moved
> there 20 years ago, so thoroughly in fact, that even
> experts are now
> hard-pressed to discern quickly whether an order for
> that synth you
> see in an EM ad will bring an actual  synthesizer,
> or a little
> cardboard box with a disc in it to your house (hint:
> the price is the
> best criterion). Digital hardware (and so much less,
> softsynths) have
> no need for OTA's.  The cheapest DAC can outperform
> the best OTA
> in a contest for precision. So just like steam
> engines the economy
> sets the context and OTA's are obsolete. 
>      So everybody knows that they don't make
> ARP2600's
> anymore but it's less widely known that they don't
> make the
> components with which you could MAKE (or repair)
> ARP2600's
> anymore either. Modern hardware design is
> standardized on
> surface-mount (SOIC) chips (even Grant  used this
> method for the
> noiz-ring). These chips are TINY � about the size of
> a booger .
> They have the advantage of being cheap,  and
> plentiful and, to be
> fair, many of the `greatest hits' of the analog chip
> world
> are still being manufactured in SOIC packages. But
> these lilliputian
> critters are designed for the convenience of
> automated assembly lines
> not human fingers. As Grant has pointed-out,
> manufacturers have
> stopped making many OTA types altogether  So the
> only stocks in
> existence are in the discontinued stock of
> distributors and prices 
> are adjusted accordingly until they're all sold and
> then it
> becomes an auction. In this sense EVERY piece of
> analog gear is a
> limited edition!
>       This screed is not the whole story of course,
> there are many
> corollaries to the axiom "all things must pass' (the
> tube
> renaissance, handmade discrete op-amps etc.) but
> beware! I can
> prattle on for hours about that too! 
>       i can't say this enough:  get `em while you
> can.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-11-08 by Justin Modra

Grant:
I thought that the numbers in the shift register were taken as a 8 bit BCD number and then converted to a voltage. 
Thanks for the clarification.
- Justin
 
grantrichter2001 <grichter@asapnet.net> wrote:


>  
> PS - Here's a NOISE RING question for the group:
>  
> "n+1" AUX OUT is a voltage based on a number between 0 and 
255 plus one.

Where does it say this? It is not in the manual! I changed the 
manual to make it more clear.




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Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-11-10 by grantrichter2001

Binary Coded Decimal only goes to 99 in an 8 bit byte. By using 
straight binary, it goes to 256.

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Justin Modra 
<nitrohepcat@y...> wrote:
> Grant:
> I thought that the numbers in the shift register were taken as a 
8 bit BCD number and then converted to a voltage. 
> Thanks for the clarification.
> - Justin
>  
> grantrichter2001 <grichter@a...> wrote:
> 
> 
> >  
> > PS - Here's a NOISE RING question for the group:
> >  
> > "n+1" AUX OUT is a voltage based on a number between 0 
and 
> 255 plus one.
> 
> Where does it say this? It is not in the manual! I changed the 
> manual to make it more clear.
> 
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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-11-10 by Justin Modra

Thanks for the correction (oops). 
Anyway, the gist of my question is : what fractal can the outputs of the Noise Ring be compared to? (I thought Brownian Motion for the AUX OUT?)


grantrichter2001 <grichter@asapnet.net> wrote:

Binary Coded Decimal only goes to 99 in an 8 bit byte. By using 
straight binary, it goes to 256.

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Justin Modra 
<nitrohepcat@y...> wrote:
> Grant:
> I thought that the numbers in the shift register were taken as a 
8 bit BCD number and then converted to a voltage. 
> Thanks for the clarification.
> - Justin
>  
> grantrichter2001 <grichter@a...> wrote:
> 
> 
> >  
> > PS - Here's a NOISE RING question for the group:
> >  
> > "n+1" AUX OUT is a voltage based on a number between 0 
and 
> 255 plus one.
> 
> Where does it say this? It is not in the manual! I changed the 
> manual to make it more clear.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Wiard "FAQs"

2004-11-15 by grantrichter2001

This is where engineers says "That information is proprietary" 
which actually means "We haven't bothered to write down the 
equation because it was easier to just build the device".

As far as I know, it is original work and is not related to any 
published algorithm, fractal or otherwise. Maybe some spook 
stuff uses something similar, I wouldn't know of course ;^)


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Justin Modra 
<nitrohepcat@y...> wrote:
> Thanks for the correction (oops). 
> Anyway, the gist of my question is : what fractal can the outputs 
of the Noise Ring be compared to? (I thought Brownian Motion 
for the AUX OUT?)
>

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