Wiardgroup

Hi,

This is going to be a very interesting way for controlling an Wiard system;
http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/accessories/CVC.html

-Noiz

Yes, I am looking forward to seeing it at NAMM in January....

What makes this box so cool is that it can send midi data to a
sequencer and then replay performances, all with the 16bit resolution
that it has in real time.

Back in the pre-microprocessor 70's, many of us used Subotnick's
"Player Piano Technique" - a method of taking control voltages and
recording them as variance or volume onto tape, later reconverting
those recordings back to control voltages via envelope followers. 
This allowed one to utilize more than one pass to create music detail
in a particular musical gesture.  (Utilizing sine waves carefully
tuned to the frequencies of the Buchla 295 10 channel fixed filter,
which had discrete outputs, one could eventually bounce up to 10
control voltages onto a single track - the original Ghost Compositions
were created in this fashion).

So, now, with the Haken Fingerboard and CVC, we can do this once
again, but now in digital domain!


gary



"Mensch" <noiselab@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> This is going to be a very interesting way for controlling an Wiard
system;

> http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/accessories/CVC.html
> 
> -Noiz
>

It's an intriguing gadget but "TBA" is a very large number!
;'>
(i wonder if they posted schematics anywhere????)
double-;'>
!!!!
-doc




--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chang" <gchang@...> wrote:

>
> Yes, I am looking forward to seeing it at NAMM in January....
> 
> What makes this box so cool is that it can send midi data to a
> sequencer and then replay performances, all with the 16bit resolution
> that it has in real time.
> 
> Back in the pre-microprocessor 70's, many of us used Subotnick's
> "Player Piano Technique" - a method of taking control voltages and
> recording them as variance or volume onto tape, later reconverting
> those recordings back to control voltages via envelope followers. 
> This allowed one to utilize more than one pass to create music detail
> in a particular musical gesture.  (Utilizing sine waves carefully
> tuned to the frequencies of the Buchla 295 10 channel fixed filter,
> which had discrete outputs, one could eventually bounce up to 10
> control voltages onto a single track - the original Ghost Compositions
> were created in this fashion).
> 
> So, now, with the Haken Fingerboard and CVC, we can do this once
> again, but now in digital domain!
> 
> 
> gary
> 
> 
> 
> "Mensch" <noiselab@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > 
> > This is going to be a very interesting way for controlling an Wiard
> system;
> > http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/accessories/CVC.html
> > 
> > -Noiz
> >
>

I don't know how practical playing with finger tips on an infinite scale in 3 dimensions really 
is, string instruments do that in a more convenient/tight way...and the price...(huuh?)

I'd really like to find an alternative to on/off mechanisms and equal tempered scales, 
though...

The fingerboard is quite playable! It is no problem to play in tune,
and it has quite a bit of flexibility.

As far as affordability, when you consider that the Fingerboard is
designed and constructed as a no-compromise product, it is quite
affordable - I dropped the cash because I really don't think that we
will ever see anything like this that is better than this.

The truth is that there are not that many of us who are willing to
dedicate the time in front of this brilliantly conceived device to
become more than 'adequatly proficient.'

As the CVC will use the Fingerboard's CPU as its brain, I don't think
that the CVC will be astronomically expensive....

gary


"stefanbonnet" <stefanbonnet@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know how practical playing with finger tips on an infinite
scale in 3 dimensions really 
> is, string instruments do that in a more convenient/tight way...and
the price...(huuh?)
> 
> I'd really like to find an alternative to on/off mechanisms and
equal tempered scales, 
> though...
>

I'd love to get one myself. I _love_ alternatives to keyboards: new
playing techniques help create new music (my Buchla Marimba Lumina is
quite inspiring, as is using my theremin through the MS-20
pitch/voltage converter...). However, in the copy of Make magazine I
picked up today, there may be the best controller: a DIY sock-monkey
MIDI controller. The sensors are sewn into his (her?) limbs, and the
corresponding motions send out CCs. In all seriousness, the
possibilities of MIDI sensors in just about anything should get the
creative juices flowing. Grant, care to take on a digital project?

-andrew bunny

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chang" <gchang@...> wrote:

>
> The fingerboard is quite playable! It is no problem to play in tune,
> and it has quite a bit of flexibility.
> 
> As far as affordability, when you consider that the Fingerboard is
> designed and constructed as a no-compromise product, it is quite
> affordable - I dropped the cash because I really don't think that we
> will ever see anything like this that is better than this.
> 
> The truth is that there are not that many of us who are willing to
> dedicate the time in front of this brilliantly conceived device to
> become more than 'adequatly proficient.'
> 
> As the CVC will use the Fingerboard's CPU as its brain, I don't think
> that the CVC will be astronomically expensive....
> 
> gary
> 
> 
> "stefanbonnet" <stefanbonnet@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know how practical playing with finger tips on an infinite
> scale in 3 dimensions really 
> > is, string instruments do that in a more convenient/tight way...and
> the price...(huuh?)
> > 
> > I'd really like to find an alternative to on/off mechanisms and
> equal tempered scales, 
> > though...
> >
>

I don't know - my midi rig already acts like there are hamsters in the
system!  The bottom line is there isn't a midi to voltage converter
that I haven't dispised at one point or the other.  They either don't
have enough features (to do what I want) or they have too many
features (so that truoble shooting in a pain in the ass).

gary


"Dave Bradley" <mate.stubb@...> wrote:
>
> You should LOVE the hamster midi controller then!
> 
>
http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/02/hamster-powered-midi-sequencer.html

> 
> Moe
> 
> On 11/27/06, andrew dalio <bunnyman@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'd love to get one myself. I _love_ alternatives to keyboards: new
> > playing techniques help create new music (my Buchla Marimba Lumina is
> > quite inspiring, as is using my theremin through the MS-20
> > pitch/voltage converter...). However, in the copy of Make magazine I
> > picked up today, there may be the best controller: a DIY sock-monkey
> > MIDI controller. The sensors are sewn into his (her?) limbs, and the
> > corresponding motions send out CCs. In all seriousness, the
> > possibilities of MIDI sensors in just about anything should get the
> > creative juices flowing.
> >
>

(Grant will probably think this is a rival troll to his 'what's the
deal with filters' post!)
;'>
   Even though it seems vastly counterintuitive, my experience is that
MIDI2CV is as particular and subjective as sayyyyyyyyyy..... filter
preferences! It would certainly seem that this function should be cut
and dried. That was certainly my attitude when i took a contract to
develop a MIDI driver for a single device. It was then that i learned
how much of the process is arbitrary and how much latitude the
designers have. 
   When my own DIY gadgets were not keeping me happy i decided to
pony-up for a store-bought 'pro' solution, and i went shopping. i got
tons of clear well-reasoned guidance and advice from some very eminent
sources and was disappointed with everything i auditioned. 
   i ended up using  multiple types for various applications. So my
experience mirrors Mr. Chang's.... i found no 'best' only a collection
of tolerable compromises. 
   In particular,  for timing synchronization (the conceptual
black-hole of the 'feel factor') analog always sounds better to me
than MIDI.
   BTW, while this might seem a bit of overkill, the Envelator is the
best (read: most flexible, accurate and consistent) trigger delay
device i've ever worked with. 

-doc


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bradley" <mate.stubb@...> wrote:
>
> I really do like my MOTM-650 midi/cv a lot. They finally have pretty
much

> all of the software kinks ironed out of it, and it does 4 channel poly
> nicely with good assignment algos, very nice arpeggiators if that's your
> bag, downloadable microtuning tables, lin / exp glide, etc.
> 
> The programming UI is simple enough, menus are only 1 level deep.
> 
> They will put it in frac format one of these days.
> 
> Moe
> 
> On 11/30/06, Gary Chang <gchang@...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know - my midi rig already acts like there are hamsters in the
> > system!  The bottom line is there isn't a midi to voltage converter
> > that I haven't dispised at one point or the other.  They either don't
> > have enough features (to do what I want) or they have too many
> > features (so that truoble shooting in a pain in the ass).
> >
> > gary
> >
> >
>