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hi all

so will this year see a complete Wiard system. of all the demos i have
heard or seen the Wiards sound the most out there..its not fair to
tease us who dont own one.

At 11:50 AM 1/6/2007, Mark Griffiths wrote:
>
>Quick question..can you use two joysticks with the JAG..I thought I 
>a set up like that on a Youtube demo.

My Magic 8-ball responded with "My sources say no". ;-)

As the Wiard website says, "The JAG produces ten output voltages from 
two input voltages." The JAG only has 2 inputs, and since one 
joystick puts out 2 CVs, you can't really use 2 joysticks with one 
JAG (unless you are only using one output from each 'stick).

The beauty of the JAG is that is only *needs* 2 inputs to create 10 outputs.

There are some dual joystick setups out there, like Gary Chang's 
lovely controller, but that's another story.
--
john

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "cray5656" <amni56@...> wrote:
>
> hi all
> 
> so will this year see a complete Wiard system. of all the demos i have
> heard or seen the Wiards sound the most out there..its not fair to
> tease us who dont own one.
>

to answer a question with a question.... how would a 'complete system'
be defined? Considering that Grant follows a design path that could be
compared to Serge or Buchla in the sense that almost every individual
module can be configured as a 'voice', and control ranges tend to
extend from subaudio to audio without range switching.
(the obvious exceptions would be the JAG or the Joystick)
How would we know that completion hasn't already happened?
;'>
-doc

> to answer a question with a question.... how would a 'complete 
system'
> be defined? Considering that Grant follows a design path that could 
be
> compared to Serge or Buchla in the sense that almost every individual
> module can be configured as a 'voice', and control ranges tend to
> extend from subaudio to audio without range switching.
> (the obvious exceptions would be the JAG or the Joystick)
> How would we know that completion hasn't already happened?
> ;'>
> -doc

I think a 1200 series woggle bug, the new vco then and a 1200 series 
envelooper would do it.  add one or two of the cwejman modules, slim 
doepfer modules (mixer, multiples) and the encore electronics fracrack 
freq shifter, pull them all in a slim pelican case with power supplies 
and that would do me just fine

Hi Richard!
(did you acquire a tailless cat as a souvenir?)


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "r_a_quirk" <r_a_quirk@...> wrote:

> I think a 1200 series woggle bug, the new vco then and a 1200 series 
> envelooper would do it.  add one or two of the cwejman modules, slim 
> doepfer modules (mixer, multiples) and the encore electronics fracrack 
> freq shifter, pull them all in a slim pelican case with power supplies 
> and that would do me just fine
>

well there... you see!
there's a HUGE divergence on the definition!
;'>
for me, a complete Wiard system is an EPROM-burner, A PC (running
Wave-256), 4 TL074's and unlimited long distance minutes on my phone!

chairs! (er...) CHEERS!
-doc

How about a Woggle bug, bottle of Jack Daniels and a roll of toilet paper?

True, I had 'system lust' when I first looked at Wiard stuff.  Of
course, the system that I presently had didn't come to me in one piece
- a module or two were received every few months for about 18 months.
 If you use other manufacturer's stuff (such as the Blacet VCOs and
the Miniwave, which are modules that Grant had a hand in creating) to
supplement what Wiard stuff you get, you can certainly get going right
now.

'Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'

gary





drmabuce" <drmabuce@...> wrote:

> well there... you see!
> there's a HUGE divergence on the definition!
> ;'>
> for me, a complete Wiard system is an EPROM-burner, A PC (running
> Wave-256), 4 TL074's and unlimited long distance minutes on my phone!
> 
> chairs! (er...) CHEERS!
> -doc
>

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "drmabuce" <drmabuce@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard!
> (did you acquire a tailless cat as a souvenir?)

I'm still here on the island for a little while longer.  oddly 
enough, I haven't seen a manx cat in about six months.  I'msure 
they'll reappear to be run over at tt 2007

> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "r_a_quirk" <r_a_quirk@> wrote:
> 
> > I think a 1200 series woggle bug, the new vco then and a 1200 
series envelooper would do it.  add one or two of the cwejman 
modules, slim doepfer modules (mixer, multiples) and the encore 
electronics fracrack freq shifter, pull them all in a slim pelican 
case with power supplies and that would do me just fine

> well there... you see!
> there's a HUGE divergence on the definition!
> ;'>
> for me, a complete Wiard system is an EPROM-burner, A PC (running
> Wave-256), 4 TL074's and unlimited long distance minutes on my 
phone!
> 
> chairs! (er...) CHEERS!
> -doc

i should have said that the modules above would also include a 
noisering, borg 2, jag & dual joystick.  now if somebody would just 
make a mini keyboard calculator button pad like on that eml 
controller

> for me, a complete Wiard system is an EPROM-burner, A PC (running
> Wave-256), 4 TL074's and unlimited long distance minutes on my phone!

talking about eprom burners...could anyone point me to an affordable
model, or give me the needed specs ?

thanks

(and please deliver me from the temptation of getting a sampler)

Look on eBay for a used Needham EMP-10. There are two models, an ISA card that plugs in 
an old computer, or a standalone model. In any case you will need a computer for file 
transfer.

The EMP-10 support up to a 27C08 4 meg x 8 EPROM.

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "stefanbonnet" <stefanbonnet@...> wrote:

>
> > for me, a complete Wiard system is an EPROM-burner, A PC (running
> > Wave-256), 4 TL074's and unlimited long distance minutes on my phone!
> 
> talking about eprom burners...could anyone point me to an affordable
> model, or give me the needed specs ?
> 
> thanks
> 
> (and please deliver me from the temptation of getting a sampler)
>

> 'Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'

How true, how true....

The EMP-10 is great and affordable (I don't think Needham makes that
model anymore so you may be forced to go to the bay). I do have one
problem with it though - it uses a parallel port to connect to the computer.
A lot of computers these days don't have parallel connectors anymore (and
they certainly aren't available on my Macs). I've been sucessful in getting 
all my old Windows applications to run on my Mac in "Virtual PC". The ones
that use serial ports work fine with USB to DB9 adapters. USB to Parallel
adapters aren't really true parallel adapters, they really are USB to "Old
Printers that Connect to Parallel Ports" adapters. They (and their drivers)
have just enough smarts to work with a printer and nothing more. A lot
of the Burner manufacturers are now making USB connected products but
the software is still PC based (and they are still a bit expensive). I'm really 
tired of keeping my old beat up PC (running NT!) around just for the E-PROM 
burner application. If anyone knows of a programmer that has software for 
a Mac I'd really like to know.


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@...> wrote:
>
> Look on eBay for a used Needham EMP-10. There are two models, an ISA card that plugs 
in 

> an old computer, or a standalone model. In any case you will need a computer for file 
> transfer.
> 
> The EMP-10 support up to a 27C08 4 meg x 8 EPROM.
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "stefanbonnet" <stefanbonnet@> wrote:
> >
> > > for me, a complete Wiard system is an EPROM-burner, A PC (running
> > > Wave-256), 4 TL074's and unlimited long distance minutes on my phone!
> > 
> > talking about eprom burners...could anyone point me to an affordable
> > model, or give me the needed specs ?
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > (and please deliver me from the temptation of getting a sampler)
> >
>

>  If you use other manufacturer's stuff (such as the Blacet VCOs and
> the Miniwave, which are modules that Grant had a hand in creating) 
to supplement what Wiard stuff you get, you can certainly get going 
right now.

my only problem with having the blacet in a portable system is the 
depth they require for the large pcb.  I've got a binary zone and 
klangwerk and they're both very fine modules.  I'm thinking of a 
portable system with only shallow modules.  Perhaps a custom panel for 
two miniwaves side by side with the panels mounted parallel behind the 
panel?

re the envelooper and it needing a vactrol input, will it not be 
useable as a c/v for wave sequencing?

cheers

Richard

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@...> wrote:
>
> Look on eBay for a used Needham EMP-10. There are two models, an ISA
card that plugs in 
> an old computer, or a standalone model. In any case you will need a
computer for file 
> transfer.
> 
> The EMP-10 support up to a 27C08 4 meg x 8 EPROM.

thanks for this info grant.

like everybody here I'm quite enthousiastic about those promises...