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Happy Holidays and a "no rush" query

Happy Holidays and a "no rush" query

2008-12-24 by Mark Griffiths

Hi, first Happy Holidays to Grant and all other Wiardos.
A quick couple of questions, for which there is no rush for an answer....I saw in the hints a tips Grant mentioned that a 5V gate on the Classic VCO and WC won't fully open the VCA on those units.
1. I have a Kenton convertor that gives 5V or 15V (no 10V). Is 15V safe for the oscillators gate?
2. Presumably the Envelators (with the envelope generated into ZMOD of the Mixolator) are fine with just 5V?
all the best, Mark

Mini-lecture on VCO "Attack-Release" generator and "Player Piano" technique

2008-12-27 by Grant Richter

Hello Mark,

> A quick couple of questions, for which there is no rush for an answer....I saw in the hints 
a tips Grant mentioned that a 5V gate on the Classic VCO and WC won't fully open the 
VCA on those units. 
> 
> 1. I have a Kenton convertor that gives 5V or 15V (no 10V). Is 15V safe for the 
oscillators gate?

The "Attack-Release" generator on the Classic VCO and Waveform City is a hybrid of an 
envelope follower and an envelope generator. If a gate is just a step function, 0 to 10 volts 
and back to 0 again. Then by slew rate processing that signal, it will naturally make an 
attack release envelope.

To make an envelope follower, you need something to remove the negative portions of the 
analog audio, otherwise that average of the + and - is zero.

The Gate input has a current limiting resistor and a 10 volt zener diode at the input. When 
processing a normal 10 volte gate, the device is not even activated.

When processing audio, it removes the negative portions of the audio signal, in what is 
called "have wave" rectification. Not an ideal envelope follower, but a usable one essentially 
for free.

In you case of a 15 volt gate signal, it will "chop off" (limit) the signal to 10 volts, and the 
output envelope will be 10 volts, just what you want. There should be no problem using 
the 15 volt gate signal, it will be converted safely to a 10 volt envelope.

> 
> 2. Presumably the Envelators (with the envelope generated into ZMOD of the Mixolator)
 are fine with just 5V?

The ARP 2600 was such a well thought out synth that I actually divide synth history to 
before and after the 2600. It is not completely perfect, but it was the first one to get 
almost everything right. Two well know problems are 

1. DC offsets on the audio which causes "thumping" with the filter and VCA

2. The envelope trigger voltages (once you modded the unit to get at them) had six volt 
thresholds. So you could not take your shiny new 808 or 909 or 606 and run the 
envelopes from the rhythm box external triggers. There were work arounds but it was 
clumsy and a repeated pain. And you really did want to link your rhythm box and 
sequenced synthesizer together, oh yes you did. Just trust me on that.

So in the design of the Wiard modules, trigger threshold were set to work with TTL (5 volt) 
technology like the rhythm boxes from the 80's, and other modern stuff that uses 5 volts. 
The thresholds are nominally set to TTL "High" which is around 2.5 volts.

So a 5 volt gate or trigger will work fine with the Envelators. All the Sequantizer inputs 
also have this 2.5 volt threshold, Step, Reset, Glide, Octave + and Octave - should work 
just fine with patched out 606's and other rhythm boxes.

They will also accept clock, gate and trigger sources from Serge modules in general and 
the TKB in specific.

But that is only the beginning of the story. Here is the deep stuff.

Morton Subotnick worked out an advanced synthesizer technique on the Buchla he call the 
"player piano" technique. Normally a tape recorder can not store the very low frequencies 
that are the control signals humans generate as control signals when we "play" a 
synthesizer.

Subotnick brilliantly came up with a work around using AM (amplitude modulation). All 
that requires is simply controlling the amplitude (volume) of a simple "carrier" wave and 
the very slow signals are stored as variations in the volume of the carrier, and can be 
recorded on magnetic tape.

Upon playback a simple "decoder" recovers the control signals from the amplitude 
variation of the tone recorded on the tape.

To "encode" the signals you need a sine wave carrier from a VCO followed by a Voltage 
Controlled Amplifier (VCA) then going to the tape recorder. The control signal to be 
recorded is used to control amplitude (volume) of the carrier (VCO sine wave) as it is 
recorded to tape.

In the Classic VCO, to record a control signal with a 0 to 10 volt range, patch the SINE 
output to the VCA1 input, set the "VOL" knob to zero, patch the VCA OUT to the tape 
recorder input, patch the control signal to be stored to the VCA ENV jack. 

To record control signals that have negative voltage portion, just advance the VOL knob 
until the most negative excursion, just shuts the VCA off.

Most any VCO frequency (pitch) will work, but since we only have "half wave" envelope 
following, a higher frequency like 1 kHz will give the best results in terms of the "ripple" or 
error signal generated by the "decoder" during playback.

As you have probably guessed, the "decoder" for an AM encoding technique is an envelope 
follower. The "Attack" and "Release" controls are used to modify the control signal after 
recording. Normally, another unit called a "Gate Extractor" is needed to interface the 
incoming envelope follower signal to trigger onboard envelope generators.

The low threshold voltage on the Envelators and "forgiving" design of the Envelator GATE 
input, allow direct connection of the AR ENV output to the GATE inputs with only some 
tweaking of the Release control needed to get a repeatable envelope trigger. A "Gate 
Extractor" is optional for use of the AM encoding technique on the Wiard instrument.

I hope this explanation will help to clarify why the "AR" generator on the VCO modules 
does not precisely follow the trigger thresholds and behavior of the Envelator and 
Sequantizer modules. Some compromise was needed to allow the Classic VCO to be used 
as a self contained "channel" for the play piano control voltage storage technique.

The ability to record and store long complex controls signals, which can then be brought 
back into the instrument and used like "live" playing signals is extremely powerful. It 
allows you to use all the modules to generate the complex control shapes, and then the 
same modules can be repatched for use at audio frequencies, this doubles the 
effectiveness of the the instrument. It also allows the player to have both hand free for 
"knob twizzling" and other techniques which add dynamics and expressiveness during 
playback. Essentially the ability to "conduct" the stored performance.

Thanks for reading and have a Happy Holidays

Grant Richter

Re: [wiardgroup] Mini-lecture on VCO "Attack-Release" generator and "Player Piano" technique

2008-12-27 by watson

wow that was a great read... i just got done painting a few rooms in my house and cleaned up, i stopped off on my computer to check my mail before going to fire up my wiard as a "reward" for a job well done on the paint.... and luckily this message was here so i could read it, i love history and/or tech talk so this was right up my alley. now off to make some sounds, btw i will make some recordings and post them as soon as i get my house bback in order and am set up to record.
watson

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On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Grant Richter <grichter@asapnet.net> wrote:

Hello Mark,

> A quick couple of questions, for which there is no rush for an answer....I saw in the hints
a tips Grant mentioned that a 5V gate on the Classic VCO and WC won't fully open the
VCA on those units.
>
> 1. I have a Kenton convertor that gives 5V or 15V (no 10V). Is 15V safe for the
oscillators gate?

The "Attack-Release" generator on the Classic VCO and Waveform City is a hybrid of an
envelope follower and an envelope generator. If a gate is just a step function, 0 to 10 volts
and back to 0 again. Then by slew rate processing that signal, it will naturally make an
attack release envelope.

To make an envelope follower, you need something to remove the negative portions of the
analog audio, otherwise that average of the + and - is zero.

The Gate input has a current limiting resistor and a 10 volt zener diode at the input. When
processing a normal 10 volte gate, the device is not even activated.

When processing audio, it removes the negative portions of the audio signal, in what is
called "have wave" rectification. Not an ideal envelope follower, but a usable one essentially
for free.

In you case of a 15 volt gate signal, it will "chop off" (limit) the signal to 10 volts, and the
output envelope will be 10 volts, just what you want. There should be no problem using
the 15 volt gate signal, it will be converted safely to a 10 volt envelope.

>
> 2. Presumably the Envelators (with the envelope generated into ZMOD of the Mixolator)
 are fine with just 5V?

The ARP 2600 was such a well thought out synth that I actually divide synth history to
before and after the 2600. It is not completely perfect, but it was the first one to get
almost everything right. Two well know problems are

1. DC offsets on the audio which causes "thumping" with the filter and VCA

2. The envelope trigger voltages (once you modded the unit to get at them) had six volt
thresholds. So you could not take your shiny new 808 or 909 or 606 and run the
envelopes from the rhythm box external triggers. There were work arounds but it was
clumsy and a repeated pain. And you really did want to link your rhythm box and
sequenced synthesizer together, oh yes you did. Just trust me on that.

So in the design of the Wiard modules, trigger threshold were set to work with TTL (5 volt)
technology like the rhythm boxes from the 80's, and other modern stuff that uses 5 volts.
The thresholds are nominally set to TTL "High" which is around 2.5 volts.

So a 5 volt gate or trigger will work fine with the Envelators. All the Sequantizer inputs
also have this 2.5 volt threshold, Step, Reset, Glide, Octave + and Octave - should work
just fine with patched out 606's and other rhythm boxes.

They will also accept clock, gate and trigger sources from Serge modules in general and
the TKB in specific.

But that is only the beginning of the story. Here is the deep stuff.

Morton Subotnick worked out an advanced synthesizer technique on the Buchla he call the
"player piano" technique. Normally a tape recorder can not store the very low frequencies
that are the control signals humans generate as control signals when we "play" a
synthesizer.

Subotnick brilliantly came up with a work around using AM (amplitude modulation). All
that requires is simply controlling the amplitude (volume) of a simple "carrier" wave and
the very slow signals are stored as variations in the volume of the carrier, and can be
recorded on magnetic tape.

Upon playback a simple "decoder" recovers the control signals from the amplitude
variation of the tone recorded on the tape.

To "encode" the signals you need a sine wave carrier from a VCO followed by a Voltage
Controlled Amplifier (VCA) then going to the tape recorder. The control signal to be
recorded is used to control amplitude (volume) of the carrier (VCO sine wave) as it is
recorded to tape.

In the Classic VCO, to record a control signal with a 0 to 10 volt range, patch the SINE
output to the VCA1 input, set the "VOL" knob to zero, patch the VCA OUT to the tape
recorder input, patch the control signal to be stored to the VCA ENV jack.

To record control signals that have negative voltage portion, just advance the VOL knob
until the most negative excursion, just shuts the VCA off.

Most any VCO frequency (pitch) will work, but since we only have "half wave" envelope
following, a higher frequency like 1 kHz will give the best results in terms of the "ripple" or
error signal generated by the "decoder" during playback.

As you have probably guessed, the "decoder" for an AM encoding technique is an envelope
follower. The "Attack" and "Release" controls are used to modify the control signal after
recording. Normally, another unit called a "Gate Extractor" is needed to interface the
incoming envelope follower signal to trigger onboard envelope generators.

The low threshold voltage on the Envelators and "forgiving" design of the Envelator GATE
input, allow direct connection of the AR ENV output to the GATE inputs with only some
tweaking of the Release control needed to get a repeatable envelope trigger. A "Gate
Extractor" is optional for use of the AM encoding technique on the Wiard instrument.

I hope this explanation will help to clarify why the "AR" generator on the VCO modules
does not precisely follow the trigger thresholds and behavior of the Envelator and
Sequantizer modules. Some compromise was needed to allow the Classic VCO to be used
as a self contained "channel" for the play piano control voltage storage technique.

The ability to record and store long complex controls signals, which can then be brought
back into the instrument and used like "live" playing signals is extremely powerful. It
allows you to use all the modules to generate the complex control shapes, and then the
same modules can be repatched for use at audio frequencies, this doubles the
effectiveness of the the instrument. It also allows the player to have both hand free for
"knob twizzling" and other techniques which add dynamics and expressiveness during
playback. Essentially the ability to "conduct" the stored performance.

Thanks for reading and have a Happy Holidays

Grant Richter


Another basic question - Glide

2009-03-20 by Mark Griffiths

Sorry for another basic question. I'm trying to add glide (portmento) to a simple patch.

On the Classic VCO I tried

Gate to Gate in,

CV to 1/V

AR Env to FC1

But I don't think I'm quite getting it. Am I doing the right thing and I just need to fiddle some more?

Thanks in advance!

regards, Mark

Re: Another basic question - Glide

2009-03-20 by drmabuce

Hi Mark

   first off, i should point out that the classic VCO is the only 300 module i don't have... but i have a pretty good idea how it works.

   glide/portamento is an intergration(lag or filtering) process that is applied to your CV SOURCE... 

   so this is just brainstorming... but try this:

   CV->Gate In
   AR Env Out->1/V oct in

   then your Attack & Release slew time controls would shape the character of the portamento

   like i said, i don't have a Classic VCO so i'd love to know if i guessed right or if i'm completely and utterly wrong

tgiF!
-doc


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Mark Griffiths <mark@...> wrote:
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>
> Sorry for another basic question. I'm trying to add glide (portmento)�to a simple patch.
> �
> On the Classic VCO I tried 
> �
> Gate to Gate in, 
> CV to 1/V
> AR Env to FC1
> �
> But I don't think I'm quite getting it. Am I doing the right thing and I just need to fiddle some more? 
> �
> Thanks in advance!
> �
> �
> regards, Mark�
>

Re: Another basic question - Glide

2009-03-22 by Gary Chang

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "drmabuce" <drmabuce@...> wrote:
>

>    glide/portamento is an intergration(lag or filtering) process that is applied to your CV SOURCE... 
> 
>    so this is just brainstorming... but try this:
> 
>    CV->Gate In
>    AR Env Out->1/V oct in
> 
>    then your Attack & Release slew time controls would shape the character of the portamento
> 

Right you are, Doc.  The ENV on the VCO is a bidirectional slew, like the AR on the 2600 - it follows whatever voltage is at its gate input, Attack and Delay adjusting the slew lag time...  I often use this feature to smooth the edges off of quantized cv sources.

gc

Re: Another basic question - Glide

2009-03-23 by drmabuce

Hi Gary
  LOL! 
thanks for the confirmation... but when you said:

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chang" <gchang@...> wrote:
"like the AR on the 2600 - it follows whatever voltage is at its gate input, Attack and Delay adjusting the slew lag time... " 

it JUST sunk in that the AR "envelope" on the 2600 is just a bidirectional integrator.... DUH!!!!

i've only owned my 2600 since 1972.... (i bought it new with money mostly earned as a yard-ape) and i never realized that!!!

i just went down and fired it up-Sure Enough- boy!! do i feel stupid !
(Aw NUTS! who needs a manual when ya got a half-ACRE of slide pots and a built-in spring reverb in 1972, eh?)

Thanks for setting me straight.... 37 years later!!!
-doc
who now wonders what else he missed for these last 4 decades

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