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2001-08-28 by r
> [Original Message] > File : /wogglebug_4U.jpg > Uploaded by : grantrichter2001@yahoo.com > Description : Dave Bradleys proposed faceplate for a MOTM compatible version of the Wogglebug What is a MOTM? ;)
2001-08-28 by Paul Schreiber
Another analog modular, available in kit or assembled. They are what Grant refers to as "East Coast" modules :) www.synthtech.com demos at www.synthtech.com/news MOTM is in a different market than Wiard. The format is larger, less functions per module. In a way, we compete for $$$ but there are several MOTM/Wiard dual owners on this list. Blacet (www.blacet.com) sells a version of the Waveform Cirty that Grant designed. Dave Bradley sells MOTM-compatible faceplates for it. Paul Schreiber Synthesis Technology __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
2001-08-29 by grantrichter2001@yahoo.com
Hi Paul, Glad you could drop by. Pauls modules are oriented towards doing a specific function perfectly and they are mechanically very rugged. The Wiard modules are oriented towards providing the maximum amount of NEW functionality in the smallest and lightest package. Both have their place in the orchestra of life. I have never considered Paul or anyone else a competitor. As a matter of fact, I have asked everyone who has inquired about a Wiard to look at the Synthesis Technology site to be sure they are aware of that option. It is more important to me that the customer be happy in the long run, than to just get their dollars. And I have never spoken negatively of ANY other modular manufacturer or their products. If one looks at a marketplace as having a limited number of participants, with all providers competeing for a fixed number of dollars, this is called a "zero sum game". That is where concepts such as "market share" come from. Rex Probe, John Blacet and I see the analog modular manufacturers competeing as a group against Korg, Roland and other "design by comittee" organizations. As such, the more successful any manufacturer is, the more successful the entire group is. We are working cooperatively to expand the marketplace by making it a friendly place to be. If you have a group of manufacturers stabbing each other in the back over here, but over here you have a group of friendly, mature people working together to further the Arts as whole, who would you rather purchase from? This is why I am actively working to make the Wiard designs available in as many mechanical formats as I can. The Wiard was never intended to be closed system, the designs are intended to expand the capabilites of ANY electronic music studio. The mechanical format was neccesary to have a carrier for the electronics. But I do not believe it is the solution to every need. John Blacet, Terry Michaels and I are working together to bring out a budget priced capable VCO module. This will allow younger people on a budget to start to learn about analog oscillators. If they remain interested, in the future they may purchase a Wiard, MOTM or other system. But if we do not expand the number of people involved, we will all become historical footnotes. Best Regards, Grant Richter
> > MOTM is in a different market than Wiard. The format > is larger, less functions per module. In a way, we > compete for $$$ but there are several MOTM/Wiard dual > owners on this list. > > Blacet (www.blacet.com) sells a version of the > Waveform Cirty that Grant designed. Dave Bradley sells > MOTM-compatible faceplates for it. >
2001-08-29 by Doug Pearson
At 08:26 PM 08/29/2001 +0100, <r_a_quirk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >Since you're both on this list (Paul & Grant), ... to which I'll take a moment to say, "You guys both rule!" (but you already knew I thought that). Keep making more modules!! >can I >please request that one of you put out a module that >everyone seems to forget - the attenuator module. > >Something with 4 invertible attenuators. Serge make >one but you have to buy a whole panel, not as you need >them. It'd sell to >Serge/Modcan/Motm/Wiard/Fenix(myself)/Blacet/etc, >owners. Get a pair of Blacet Mixer Processor MX2040's. That will give you four invertable attenuators PLUS offset PLUS 3x1 mixers in two of the attenuators. And less than US$100 each if you buy them in kit form. -Doug jasret@mindspring.com
2001-08-29 by r_a_quirk@yahoo.co.uk
Since you're both on this list (Paul & Grant), can I please request that one of you put out a module that everyone seems to forget - the attenuator module. Something with 4 invertible attenuators. Serge make one but you have to buy a whole panel, not as you need them. It'd sell to Serge/Modcan/Motm/Wiard/Fenix(myself)/Blacet/etc, owners. regards, Richard --- Paul Schreiber <syntht@yahoo.com> wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Another analog modular, available in kit or assembled.<BR> They are what Grant refers to as "East Coast" modules<BR> :)<BR> <BR> www.synthtech.com<BR> <BR> demos at<BR> <BR> www.synthtech.com/news<BR> <BR> MOTM is in a different market than Wiard. The format<BR> is larger, less functions per module. In a way, we<BR> compete for $$$ but there are several MOTM/Wiard dual<BR> owners on this list.<BR> <BR> Blacet (www.blacet.com) sells a version of the<BR> Waveform Cirty that Grant designed. Dave Bradley sells<BR> MOTM-compatible faceplates for it.<BR> <BR> Paul Schreiber<BR> Synthesis Technology<BR> <BR> <BR> __________________________________________________<BR> Do You Yahoo!?<BR> Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger<BR> <a href="http://phonecard.yahoo.com/">http://phonecard.yahoo.com/</a><BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b>Yahoo! Groups Sponsor</b></font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> <td align=center width=470><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td align=center><font face=arial size=-2>ADVERTISEMENT</font><br><table width="300" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="300"> <table width="300" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr valign="top"><td width="184" colspan="2"><img src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/4.gif" width="184" height="70" alt="" border="0"></td> <td width="116" rowspan="2"><img src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/1.jpg" width="116" height="221" alt="" border="0"></td> </tr><form method="get" action="http://rd.yahoo.com/M=210544.1579977.3132570.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705032144:HM/A=776683/R=0/*http://ads.track-star.com/adspace.ts"> <tr valign="bottom"><td width="1" bgcolor="#FF6600"><img src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/orgline.gif" width="1" height="151" alt="" border="0"></td> <td width="183" bgcolor="#FFCC00" align="center"><input type="hidden" name="ts" value="1;2;217;107_225_105_264"><input type="hidden" name="startApplication" value="%20"> <font style="font-size: 12px;font-family:Times New Roman,Times,serif;font-weight:bold;">You can, too! Start here...<br><img src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif" width="5" height="5" alt="" border="0"><br>Height:<br><select name="feet" size="1" maxlength="1" > <option value="3">3 <option value="4">4 <option value="5" selected>5 <option value="6">6 <option value="7">7 <option value="8">8 </select> ft <select name="inches" size="1" maxlength="2"> <option value="00">0 <option value="1">1 <option value="2">2 <option value="3">3 <option value="4" selected>4 <option value="5">5 <option value="6">6 <option value="7">7 <option value="8">8 <option value="9">9 <option value="10">10 <option value="11">11 </select>in<br><img src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif" width="5" height="5" alt="" border="0"><br> Weight:<br> <input name="weightUnit" type="radio" value="pounds" checked style="background:#FFCC00;color:#000001;">lbs. <input name="weightUnit" type="radio" value="kilograms" style="background:#FFCC00;color:#000001;">kg.<br> <input type="text" name="weight" size="5" value=""></font><br><img src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/clear.gif" width="5" height="8" alt="" border="0"><br><img src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/3.gif" width="183" height="19" alt="" border="0"></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="3" width="300"><input type="image" src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/2.gif" width="300" height="29" alt="" border="0"></td></tr></form> </table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td> </tr> <tr><td><img alt="" width=1 height=1 src="http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=210544.1579977.3132570.1261774/D=egroupmail/S=1705032144:HM/A=776683/rand=563319547"></td></tr> </table> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <br> <tt> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:<BR> wiardgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <br> <tt>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the <a href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/">Yahoo! Terms of Service</a>.</tt> </br> </body></html> ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
2001-08-29 by pH_______
On 8/29/01 12:22 PM, "Doug Pearson" <jasret@mindspring.com> wrote: > At 08:26 PM 08/29/2001 +0100, <r_a_quirk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> Since you're both on this list (Paul & Grant), > > ... to which I'll take a moment to say, "You guys both rule!" (but you > already knew I thought that). Keep making more modules!! > >> can I >> please request that one of you put out a module that >> everyone seems to forget - the attenuator module. >> >> Something with 4 invertible attenuators. Serge make >> one but you have to buy a whole panel, not as you need >> them. It'd sell to >> Serge/Modcan/Motm/Wiard/Fenix(myself)/Blacet/etc, >> owners. > > Get a pair of Blacet Mixer Processor MX2040's. That will give you four > invertable attenuators PLUS offset PLUS 3x1 mixers in two of the > attenuators. And less than US$100 each if you buy them in kit form. The Blacet Mixer is very nice, I have one and love it, always useful! Additionally, here's a VERY simple/cheap DIY one from Ken Stone: http://www.talktron.com.au/mixer/Mixer.htm best, pH
2001-08-29 by thomas white
Very well said! I wish more people would give it a shot (Modular). Might be more work to understand or patch, but I have learned more than I ever thought about audio in general from these modules (MOTM and the rest) and I highly reccommend that everyone build and fire up one module for the first time to know the feeling of creating an audio tool. I have never felt so comfortable and at home in my small studio and I have been inspired to look deeper into all my gear based on my modulars. All my "Legendary" synths in the collection mean at least twice as much to own now that I have learned a more complete grasp of analog and CV/Gate via building my own stuff. Anyone feelin me? Thomas White --- grantrichter2001@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Glad you could drop by. > > Pauls modules are oriented towards doing a specific > function > perfectly and they are mechanically very rugged. The > Wiard > modules are oriented towards providing the maximum > amount > of NEW functionality in the smallest and lightest > package. Both > have their place in the orchestra of life. > > I have never considered Paul or anyone else a > competitor. As a > matter of fact, I have asked everyone who has > inquired about a > Wiard to look at the Synthesis Technology site to be > sure they > are aware of that option. It is more important to me > that the > customer be happy in the long run, than to just get > their dollars. > And I have never spoken negatively of ANY other > modular > manufacturer or their products. > > If one looks at a marketplace as having a limited > number of > participants, with all providers competeing for a > fixed number of > dollars, this is called a "zero sum game". That is > where > concepts such as "market share" come from. > > Rex Probe, John Blacet and I see the analog modular > manufacturers competeing as a group against Korg, > Roland and > other "design by comittee" organizations. As such, > the more > successful any manufacturer is, the more successful > the entire > group is. > > We are working cooperatively to expand the > marketplace by > making it a friendly place to be. If you have a > group of > manufacturers stabbing each other in the back over > here, but > over here you have a group of friendly, mature > people working > together to further the Arts as whole, who would you > rather > purchase from? > > This is why I am actively working to make the Wiard > designs > available in as many mechanical formats as I can. > The Wiard > was never intended to be closed system, the designs > are > intended to expand the capabilites of ANY electronic > music > studio. The mechanical format was neccesary to have > a carrier > for the electronics. But I do not believe it is the > solution to every > need. > > John Blacet, Terry Michaels and I are working > together to bring > out a budget priced capable VCO module. This will > allow > younger people on a budget to start to learn about > analog > oscillators. If they remain interested, in the > future they may > purchase a Wiard, MOTM or other system. But if we do > not > expand the number of people involved, we will all > become > historical footnotes. > > Best Regards, > > Grant Richter > > > > > MOTM is in a different market than Wiard. The > format > > is larger, less functions per module. In a way, we > > compete for $$$ but there are several MOTM/Wiard > dual > > owners on this list. > > > > Blacet (www.blacet.com) sells a version of the > > Waveform Cirty that Grant designed. Dave Bradley > sells > > MOTM-compatible faceplates for it. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com
2001-08-29 by Paul Schreiber
--- grantrichter2001@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Glad you could drop by. I'll be the first to admit that in the past, I have been guilty of ....errrr.....'overly zealous emails'. This was based soley on pressure of mounting inventory of parts around Christmas. When you build high-end equipment, you have high-end inventory (I think at one point I had $43,000 worth of raw parts sitting in storage). But, like Grant, I have come to understand the 'zero sum game'. Like all things, price goes factor into decisions more than us geeky engineers would like to admit. Also, it's easy to get caught up into taking every purchasing decision personally (What?!? You bought a <whatever>?!? Are you nuts?!? <sniff sniff pout in corner>). So, with 'gentle prodding' I hope Grant and others adopt the MOTM form factor as a cross-platform. Paul S. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com
2001-08-30 by r
on 8/29/01 6:13 PM, Paul Schreiber at syntht@yahoo.com wrote: > So, with 'gentle prodding' I hope Grant and others > adopt the MOTM form factor as a cross-platform. ...Danger..Danger, Will Robinson!
2001-08-30 by thomas white
Whoops, forgot about JH! You too champion, TW --- thomas white <djthomaswhite@yahoo.com> wrote: > Very well said! I wish more people would give it a > shot (Modular). Might be more work to understand or > patch, but I have learned more than I ever thought > about audio in general from these modules (MOTM and > the rest) and I highly reccommend that everyone > build > and fire up one module for the first time to know > the > feeling of creating an audio tool. I have never felt > so comfortable and at home in my small studio and I > have been inspired to look deeper into all my gear > based on my modulars. All my "Legendary" synths in > the > collection mean at least twice as much to own now > that > I have learned a more complete grasp of analog and > CV/Gate via building my own stuff. Anyone feelin me? > > Thomas White > > > --- grantrichter2001@yahoo.com wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > > > Glad you could drop by. > > > > Pauls modules are oriented towards doing a > specific > > function > > perfectly and they are mechanically very rugged. > The > > Wiard > > modules are oriented towards providing the maximum > > amount > > of NEW functionality in the smallest and lightest > > package. Both > > have their place in the orchestra of life. > > > > I have never considered Paul or anyone else a > > competitor. As a > > matter of fact, I have asked everyone who has > > inquired about a > > Wiard to look at the Synthesis Technology site to > be > > sure they > > are aware of that option. It is more important to > me > > that the > > customer be happy in the long run, than to just > get > > their dollars. > > And I have never spoken negatively of ANY other > > modular > > manufacturer or their products. > > > > If one looks at a marketplace as having a limited > > number of > > participants, with all providers competeing for a > > fixed number of > > dollars, this is called a "zero sum game". That is > > where > > concepts such as "market share" come from. > > > > Rex Probe, John Blacet and I see the analog > modular > > manufacturers competeing as a group against Korg, > > Roland and > > other "design by comittee" organizations. As such, > > the more > > successful any manufacturer is, the more > successful > > the entire > > group is. > > > > We are working cooperatively to expand the > > marketplace by > > making it a friendly place to be. If you have a > > group of > > manufacturers stabbing each other in the back over > > here, but > > over here you have a group of friendly, mature > > people working > > together to further the Arts as whole, who would > you > > rather > > purchase from? > > > > This is why I am actively working to make the > Wiard > > designs > > available in as many mechanical formats as I can. > > The Wiard > > was never intended to be closed system, the > designs > > are > > intended to expand the capabilites of ANY > electronic > > music > > studio. The mechanical format was neccesary to > have > > a carrier > > for the electronics. But I do not believe it is > the > > solution to every > > need. > > > > John Blacet, Terry Michaels and I are working > > together to bring > > out a budget priced capable VCO module. This will > > allow > > younger people on a budget to start to learn about > > analog > > oscillators. If they remain interested, in the > > future they may > > purchase a Wiard, MOTM or other system. But if we > do > > not > > expand the number of people involved, we will all > > become > > historical footnotes. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Grant Richter > > > > > > > > MOTM is in a different market than Wiard. The > > format > > > is larger, less functions per module. In a way, > we > > > compete for $$$ but there are several MOTM/Wiard > > dual > > > owners on this list. > > > > > > Blacet (www.blacet.com) sells a version of the > > > Waveform Cirty that Grant designed. Dave Bradley > > sells > > > MOTM-compatible faceplates for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant > messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com
2001-08-30 by Doug Pearson
At 07:41 PM 08/29/2001 -0500, r <robertkleckner@earthlink.net> wrote: >on 8/29/01 6:13 PM, Paul Schreiber at syntht@yahoo.com wrote: >> So, with 'gentle prodding' I hope Grant and others >> adopt the MOTM form factor as a cross-platform. > >...Danger..Danger, Will Robinson! Well ... I think the picture that Dave posted of the MOTM-format Wogglebug is an excellent example of why the MOTM form *won't* work so well for Wiard modules. It would be sort of like (to use an automotive metaphor) trying to put the "guts" of a Jaguar into a Lambroghini body (or vice-versa ... both are "high performance" but perform in entirely different ways, requiring radically different "packaging"). The Miniwave works in MOTM form, but that's because the Miniwave is only a fraction (no VCO, EG, or VCA) of the full Waveform City Wiard module, so there are considerably fewer knobs and jacks. And where would all the LED's go? ;^) -Doug jasret@mindspring.com P.S. I'll be playing Wiard tonight with Mushroom at the Hotel Utah in San Francisco (10.30PM approx), in case anyone in the Bay Area wants to see/hear one in action ...
2001-08-30 by grantrichter2001@yahoo.com
Have you looked at the Blacet Mixer Processor? It is as fulled featured a mix/invert/attenuate module as anyone has ever made. It even has a few more features than the Serge version. --- In wiardgroup@y..., <r_a_quirk@y...> wrote: > Since you're both on this list (Paul & Grant), can I > please request that one of you put out a module that > everyone seems to forget - the attenuator module. > > Something with 4 invertible attenuators. Serge make > one but you have to buy a whole panel, not as you need > them. It'd sell to > Serge/Modcan/Motm/Wiard/Fenix(myself)/Blacet/etc, > owners. > > regards, > Richard > > --- Paul Schreiber <syntht@y...> wrote: > <HR> > <html><body> > <tt> > Another analog modular, available in kit or > assembled.<BR> > They are what Grant refers to as "East > Coast" modules<BR> > :)<BR> > <BR> > www.synthtech.com<BR> > <BR> > demos at<BR> > <BR> > www.synthtech.com/news<BR> > <BR> > MOTM is in a different market than Wiard. 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2001-08-30 by grantrichter2001@yahoo.com
>I'll be the first to admit that in the past, I have >been guilty of ....errrr.....'overly zealous emails'. >This was based soley on pressure of mounting inventory >of parts around Christmas. When you build high-end >equipment, you have high-end inventory (I think at one >point I had $43,000 worth of raw parts sitting in >storage). Each and every one of us makes "high end" audio equipment, and we are all under considerable economic pressure. Rex's investment makes everyone else look like Kindergartners, yet, I have never heard him say an unkind word about anyone. Do not think you are the only one to experience that level of anxiety. > > So, with 'gentle prodding' I hope Grant and others > adopt the MOTM form factor as a cross-platform. > I wish that I could embrace it more enthusiasticly, but the format is "the surprise reappearance of an earlier form thought to be extinct". While I understand you mean well, the format offers the same mixed bag of advantages and disadvantages as any other solution that has been tried. The decision to trade process indicators for signal to noise ratio is particularly puzzling. The rapid troubleshooting afforded by visual process indicators is almost universally considered a strong design enhancement. Realistically, I do not believe that there is a perfect solution, or "ultimate format" for an analog modular. There will always be a trade off between durability and weight. And there will always be a trade off between complexity and rapid utilization. This applies to any engineered object, and accounts for the wide diversity of synthesizer designs. We know that bio-diversity is an index to the health of an eco-system, more diversity is better. We can only hope that the same holds true for our little "industry".