Bob, perhaps *you* have "receive program change" off? You shouldn't need multis. Try restoring the factory multisetup (again, at location 63) then recording some data in a pattern along with changing the preset. It should restore. -Aaron ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob S. <tttsystems@...> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:17:57 AM Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: multi pass...er step Hi Aaron This sparks my interest as I have not had success either (at least from what I have tried) in saving the position of presets within a pattern or song since day one (unless I capture it with a multi).....even all the factory songs are messed up because they use my sounds instead of the one associated with the pattern within the song........can you give us something to try, steps to test if this feature (pattern storage of preset) is working in our units? Maybe there is a setting that is wrong in mine also....... Bob El Segundo, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Eppolito To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: multi pass...er step You don't need multisetups. They're a vestige of the Proteus series. What they're good for is saving all the *other* settings (like controller setup, knob assignments, etc). From your description, it seems something is wrong. How you've said it is how it should work. I can think of a couple reasons it wouldn't be doing what you (and I'd) expect. First - you're in song mode and you have program change event source set to song events only. This seems unlikely, since you've only mentioned pattern mode. Second - you've changed your pattern assignments such that track 1 does not route to channel 1. Also unlikely, since you'd be hearing the wrong preset altogether. Third - you have "receive program change" turned off in the MIDI menu. This would explain the problem - especially if this is a used unit where someone set this. Fourth - the MIDI loops you put in there already have some program change info. This wouldn't exactly describe your problem, but if you dumped some loops from a different sequencer, there could be some patch change info embedded in there. You can check in the EVENT viewer in the pattern menu. I can't think of any more off hand, but that might get you started. If this is a newly acquired used unit, the previous owner might have set some off parameters. You could restore the factory multisetup (63) in the first page of the Global menu. This will reset all those parameters to sane values without altering your presets, patterns or songs. Let us know how you get along... -Aaron ----- Original Message ---- From: dwn4tupac <dwn4tupac@...> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:43:47 PM Subject: [xl7] Re: multi pass...er step I don't think you understand exactly what I was talking about. I'll try to clarify. I have midi data on track 1 of pattern1 which I am currently on. I set channel 1 to kit 0. I save it. Saves ok. So pattern 1 track 1 should have a channel 1 of kit 1. I switch to pattern 2 and have diff drum data on track 1 of pattern 2. I set pattern2 track 1 channel 1 to kit 2 and save. Saves ok. I switch back to pattern 1 track 1 and lo the channel is still on kit 2 (was kit 1 when i saved pattern 1). Now from what bob's response alluded to the channel assignments are not saved with patterns, but in the multi step. So in order to change the channel setups you have to save them to the multi step and assign multi steps to each pattern you want diff sounds with...am i right so far bob? I did start messing around w/ the multi steps the other day, but didn't exactly read the manual on what they were I just found them in the menu... If someone could post real quick how i would assign a given multi step to each pattern that would be great. thx for all your help and suggestions guys. N --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote: > > If you're changing preset *assignment* (like use preset 7 on track 1, etc) you need to have data on the track for it to retain the settings. This is so you can have empty tracks that don't retain settings (allowing you to devote a channel to playing live where the sequencer won't touch it). > > If you meant that you're editing the preset (like turning the Fc knob or adjusting an envelope or something) you have to save the preset. The sequencer won't automatically save the preset for you. Like Bob is saying, the XL-7 doesn't work the same as a 505 or something. You store your custom presets in the four user banks of presets, then the sequencer stores which custom preset you used per channel. > > I think you meant the first (retaining preset *selection*). If so, just ensure that you have data on the appropriate tracks. Simply recording a volume event will do the trick. Easiest way is to go into step record and wiggle the volume knob for the track or touch the pitch strip. > > -Aaron > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bob S. <tttsystems@...> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:03:59 PM > Subject: Re: [xl7] Why do the channel presets stay the same when I change patterns? > > Hello > > Not all synths & drum machines are of the same architecture....the XL7 is more like a synth/sequencer than a drum machine in some respects. > > Presets are not stored in the patterns as they are done, say in a Roland drum machine. Instead, they are stored in the multi setup. This is similar to a pure sequencer that does not store what sounds are used directly in the sequence. In short, the sound/preset used by the sequencer/pattern/song must be stored in the multi, located under the global menu. If you need to change the "arrangement" of sounds, then a new "arrangement" is needed and stored in a new multi....this is in the manual and I hope my explanation clarifies it a bit... > > Bob > El Segundo, CA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dwn4tupac > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:33 PM > Subject: [xl7] Why do the channel presets stay the same when I change patterns? > > > This is driving me nuts! > > I have an xl 7 and have thrown midi drum loops into each of the first > 4 empty pattern banks. > > I go to the first pattern and change the presets for each of the > channels then save. > > I go to the second pattern and change the presets for each of the > channels then save that pattern. > > When I go back to the first pattern the channel presets are still > assigned to the presets that I saved for pattern 2. > > Is this machine incapable of saving presets assigned to channels for > each pattern or what? > Why are the presets set to the same thing regardless of pattern? > > What good are 1024 patterns if the sounds for all of them are the same > 32 presets???? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! 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Re: [xl7] Re: multi pass...er step
2008-06-17 by Aaron Eppolito