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Hi erik,

How do you find your MS's timing when you don't have any audio signal being
fed to it? Mine is flakey... I use it to drive an E6400 Ultra, and I can
constantly hear small tempo changes going on when I've got bpm synced
effects running (it's especially noticeable with delays, coz the delay
signal gets detuned slightly if the sync changes, causing a flanging
effect)... If I use my rm1x to generate midi clock, the timing is solid. So
it's definitely an issue with the MS...

Regards,

Stu
  -----Original Message-----
  From: erik_magrini@... [mailto:erik_magrini@...]
  Sent: 22 May 2003 20:22
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [xl7] Red Sound Micro Sync


  Yes, the way the connections on Micro Sync have to be achieved is one of
  it's unfortunate downsides, though there are ways around it.  The basic
  premise is that the MS needs to have an audio signal being fed to it, and
  from this audio signal it detects the tempo and generates the MIDI clock
  your 505/R8 will use as it's clock source.  The problem, is that if you're
  just sending it a signal from the main outs of the DJ mixer (or recording
  outs), you're also sending it the audio from 505/R8 as part of that
  signal. Thus, you get sort of a feedback loop, where you're trying to
  detect the BPM of the records to sync the 505 to, but you're also using
  the signal of the 505 as a source as well.  So in this situtation not only
  is the 505 receiving a clock signal, it's also part ot the audio
  generating it!  So it's not a audible squeeling, cover your ears type of
  feedback, but an issue with the sync.

  There's two ways around this, depending on the situation.  If you're in a
  situation where you can use an external mixer, then you can connect it via
  the diagrams on the Red Sound page and you're good to good. Unfortunately,
  this is rarely possible in a club setting, so you have to use another
  method.  I personally use the effects loop sends on the DJ mixer, and feed
  these to RedSound, and then set channels 1&2 to use the effects loop via
  the switches on the mixer panel.  As long as you don't send the third
  channel the 505 is on to the effects loop, you should be fine.  This is
  also nice, because most DJ mixers have the effects loop post fader, so you
  won't get any weird syncs happening while your buddy is cueing up his next
  record (since that channel's fader or the crossfader will be lowered, thus
  nothing will go out the effect send).  Works fine in use, and you can use
  the effect send knobs on the mixer to govern the levels of the audio
  signal going to the MS.  The MS is kinda picky about the audio levels
  going to it (too loud or quiet and it doesn't work well), so this is very
  nice.  BTW, the MS has an LED that changes colors to let you know the
  strength of the input signal, so no worries there.

  Keep in mind it's not perfect, the MS will still need to be adjusted for
  some records (the tempo will be right, but the beat is off), so you need
  to have it where you can reach it still.  Just FYI.

  Questions?
  rEalm








     Realm, I know you have experience with the RedSound microsync. I
  am getting ready to purchase this so a friend and myself can rock
  decks and drums. I just wanted to know how is this thing connected to
  a basic dj setup?... 2 technics, a 3 input mixer and a 505/R8. I have
  the drums going into the line input on my third channel.

  The pdf said something about a sub-mixer and it confused me. Do I
  need 2 mixers before I go into the club's board? Thanks.

  dj skurge



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