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Re: no longer insane ..getting muti to work with presets

2003-05-30 by dwoodaman

maybe you could dump this in the tips database?
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "honkeyhindu" <honkeyhindu@c...> wrote:
> i must say that i am surprised that no one sets up multis with 
> presets and if they do ..on one wanted to ans the question..i 
fianlly 
> turned to the emu website and they helped me out.Wonderfull feeling 
> 
> this is what i got from the tech support 
> 
> You can recall the multisetup from within the pattern and that 
should 
> solve the problem.
> In pattern edit go to Event and enter program change data and Bank 
> select change data. For Multisetups : MSB=80, LSB=00 and then the 
> Program change = the Multisetup number. 
> 
> but there is more to go ..this did not work for me 
> you have to make shure that prg ch is enabled for that particular 
midi
> ch and you have to set the destination both,inter would prb work 
but 
> i did not check that out. hoora ho ra   peace
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "honkeyhindu" <honkeyhindu@c...> wrote:
> > hello everyone  ..what am i doing wrong here ..please tell me 
that 
> > this is a function that i can do 
> > 
> > 
> >  In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "honkeyhindu" <honkeyhindu@c...> wrote:
> > > What knob settings are you changing?
> > > controller assigment 
> > > k1    assigned to 74 for ch 2
> > > k2    assigned to 71 for ch 4
> > > 
> > > the for pattern two 
> > > 
> > > say k1 assigned to control 1  ch 4 
> > > whatever you get the idea ..
> > > 
> > > after i set the controller assigment i play the pattern then i 
> save 
> > > the pattern and then i save the muti and then name it and then 
> save 
> > > it to that name ..
> > > 
> > > i do this for the two patterns ..
> > > again in oder for the pattern and controller vaules to be 
right. 
> > > these are the steps that i have to take ..
> > > go to multi ..select the multi ..then revert the pattern 
> > > ..when i switch the pattern i ahve to do the same for that 
> pattern 
> > as 
> > > well ....HOW DO I DO THIS LIVE ..i cant stop the show and start 
> it 
> > up 
> > > again ..thanks again 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > - In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > > > What knob settings are you changing?  Are they set to Volume, 
> or 
> > > Quick 
> > > > Edit?
> > > > 
> > > > rEalm
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > honkeyhindu <honkeyhindu@c...>
> > > > 05/22/2003 12:30 AM
> > > > Please respond to xl7
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > >         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > > >         cc: 
> > > >         Subject:        [xl7] Re: going insane ..presets 
> changing 
> > > on patterns
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ok .i am back with the same prb 
> > > > here is what i am doing 
> > > > write a pattern 
> > > > set the knobs to different controls 
> > > > save the pattern first..
> > > > the play the pattern and then save the muti ( to save the 
> > > controller 
> > > > set up )
> > > > save it then name it 
> > > > 
> > > > i do this for two patterns ..
> > > > the controller vaules being different for both patterns 
> > > > 
> > > > pattern A   multi A
> > > > pattern B   multi B
> > > > 
> > > > when i go from pattern A to B   the controller vaules remian 
> the 
> > > same 
> > > > in order for me to get the right pattern with the right 
> > multisetup 
> > > is 
> > > > to stop play change 
> > > > multi then do a revert to pattern .. but how are you supposed 
> to 
> > do 
> > > > that live ?
> > > > 
> > > > i am truly sorry that i do not understand this concept.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > > > > hmm ..i found out that it was the multisetup that was 
causing 
> > > this 
> > > > whole 
> > > > > prb .. but i still do not know why ???
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>Well, if you load a multisetups, it loads the presets 
that 
> > > were 
> > > > on each 
> > > > > Track when you saved the Multi.  So if you save the pattern 
> > after 
> > > > loading 
> > > > > a Multi, it will save the Presets assigned in the Multi, 
not 
> > the 
> > > > ones you 
> > > > > saved as part of the Pattern.   Best bet, is to Revert to 
> Saved 
> > > > Pattern 
> > > > > before you save the Pattern! <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > i went to the emu site to check out the prb last night and 
> > found 
> > > my 
> > > > prb 
> > > > > ..but i cant understandy why emu would do this or if it 
just 
> a 
> > > way 
> > > > of 
> > > > > thinking that i am not used to ..
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>99% sure it's the later, no offense. :) <<
> > > > > 
> > > > > "the Multisetups channel settings will be saved to Pattern, 
> > > instead 
> > > > of the 
> > > > > correct values you wanted"
> > > > > 
> > > > > i do not get this at all .. why would a multiset up save a 
> > preset 
> > > > > assigment ..there is already a way to save the preset to 
> > > > pattern ..and it 
> > > > > is simple and logical ..save it to pattern ...in my head 
the 
> > > > multisetup 
> > > > > should contain information about the channel 
> assigment ...like 
> > > what 
> > > > sub 
> > > > > groups the tracks are assigned to and the 
> > > > > effects percentage such that if a person wanted to have one 
> > > pattern 
> > > > start 
> > > > > out with one effect setting and change to another all they 
> > would 
> > > > have to 
> > > > > do is switch the mutisetup ..
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>You can do what you suggest too, but Multisetups are 
more 
> > > > flexible than 
> > > > > that.  Say you were sequencing from an external sequencer, 
> like 
> > > > Cubase, 
> > > > > then you wouldn't need to create a pattern (since the notes 
> > would 
> > > > be 
> > > > > stored in Cubase).  However, you'd still want the right 
> sounds 
> > on 
> > > > each 
> > > > > track, so you could save a Multisetup to store this data.  
> > > There's 
> > > > lots 
> > > > > more uses for Multi's, they're not JUST to save Preset 
> > > assignments, 
> > > > though 
> > > > > that is a nice benefit. <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > in my case say .i am on one of the orginal xl 
patterns ..and 
> i 
> > > > switch the 
> > > > > multisetup the pattern goes all wacky ..it changes all the 
> > > presets 
> > > > in that 
> > > > > pattern...  how do i fix this ?? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>Easy, just perform a "Revert To Saved Pattern" (Pattern 
> Edit 
> > > > menu). 
> > > > > This will relaod the Presets that were saved with the 
> Pattern.  
> > > Now 
> > > > resave 
> > > > > the Multi.  Whenever you load the Multi, it will recall the 
> > > Presets 
> > > > from 
> > > > > the Pattern now.  You will need to do this for each of 
> Multi's 
> > > you 
> > > > want to 
> > > > > load durring a Pattern, and you will nee to do it for all 
> > > > Patterns.  Think 
> > > > > of Multi's as a snapshot of every setting within the XX-7 
at 
> > the 
> > > > moment 
> > > > > you save it. Everytime you load a Multi, EVERYTHING will 
> revert 
> > > to 
> > > > how the 
> > > > > XX-7 was when you saved the multi. <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > "and if you save your Pattern before playing it, the 
> > Multisetups 
> > > > channel 
> > > > > settings will be saved to Pattern"  err why why why ??
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>Because when you load the multisetup, it will assign the 
> > > Presets 
> > > > to 
> > > > > each track that were there when you saved the multi.  As 
far 
> as 
> > > the 
> > > > > Pattern is concerned, it has no idea the Presets aren't 
what 
> > you 
> > > > want, 
> > > > > it's like you manually changed them one at a time as far as 
> > it's 
> > > > > concerned.  So when you save the Pattern, it will now store 
> the 
> > > new 
> > > > > Presets, instead of the ones you had orginally saved. <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > how is this undone ?????
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>If you load a multi and it doesn't have the Presets you 
> > want, 
> > > > perform a 
> > > > > Revert to Saved. <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > thanks again to all
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>Let me know if I didn't explain it well enough.  Believe 
> it 
> > or 
> > > > not, 
> > > > > it's a really, really flexible feature, you just need to 
get 
> > your 
> > > > head 
> > > > > around and it'll make more sense. <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > rEalm
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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