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Hey im sorry about posting so much. I cant figure this f*cking thing 
out for the life of me. 

I have an MP-7 and all I want to do is set some tracks so that when 
they are selected the keyboard is controlling my E5000 sampler. 
MIDI controller --->MP7----->E5000 see then I can record sampler 
sequences with the MP7 and trigger them as tracks. 

If **ANYONE** could walk me through the MIDI menu/Pattern menu to 
accomplish this i would be so much obliged.

Now I dont understand the point in having Channels A and B at all 
because it seems upon examining the pattern menu that you can have 

                32 channels but only 16 tracks

is this true???? please please someone help me figure this out.
So why have channels A and B? If you want to have two channels on the 
same track? Aaron you seem like you might have the answers but when i 
ask a difficult question you tend to ignore it. 

1. MIDI in channels -- "this menu allows MIDI data recieved at the 
MIDI input port to control either the A or B channels. With this 
switch set to B you could play an external MIDI keyboard on channels 
1B-16B while channels 1A-16A remain dedicated to the internal 
sequencer"
.................um okay.... well then what would I use to play my 
presets on Channels 1A-16A, the pads on the front? I want my keyboard 
to control the sounds in my MP-7 on some tracks and the E5000 on 
other tracks but never both at the same time. Seems basic to me.

2. MIDI enable -- makes sense to me, turn it off when you dont want 
that channel to play the internal sounds of the MP-7. 

3. Pattern Edit Channel Assign -- hmm gets a little tricky here. You 
can assign each **TRACK** (of which there are 16 total) to a channel 
(of which ther are 32) furthermore this channel can be set to 
internal external or both. Seems like we got some redundant functions 
here. Would you ever have a channel disabled in the MIDI menu but set 
to internal in the Channel assign? 

So what is the point of having channels A and B at all? If there are 
only 16 tracks anyway why not just use 1A-16A and disable the MIDI 
(or set the Channel Assign to ext) on the tracks you want to control 
external devices. 

Another Issue is which channel the MP-7 is using to talk to my 
sampler, as you know the E5000 has 16 channels also so if I use the 
Pattern Edit Channel Assign to set track 16 to 1B external, then i 
select track 16 (with rechannelize input on because apparently its 
impossible to play on the B channels with out it) is the MP-7 taking 
the MIDI controller input and rechannelizing it to channel 1 on the B 
output? Somehow I dont think thats happening.

I know that this post is likely to be ignored because it is as 
confusing as i am confused, if anyone could help me to understand 
these issues i think it could be beneficial to the whole group 
because after all the XX-7 is advertised as a "command station" for 
controlling other devices also. 

thanks to any heroic soul who dares tackle these question.

                                        drew

>                32 channels but only 16 tracks
>
>is this true???? please please someone help me figure this out.
>So why have channels A and B? If you want to have two channels on the 
>same track? Aaron you seem like you might have the answers but when i 
>ask a difficult question you tend to ignore it. 


You can have up to sixteen channels on each track - all of A or all of B.

An common usage example: Using explode/combine functions, you can set up your drum kit to use a different channel for each instrument (bd/sd/hh etc) then combine them down to one track in the sequencer. This gets you around the 'can't define my own drum kit' issue with the p2k sound engine.

From the scope of your questions, I think you really need to sit down with the manual. Pretty much everything you need is in there.


bIz

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: drewaight1 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:12 AM
  Subject: [xl7] please, please help me to understand


  Hey im sorry about posting so much. I cant figure this f*cking thing 
  out for the life of me. 

  I have an MP-7 and all I want to do is set some tracks so that when 
  they are selected the keyboard is controlling my E5000 sampler. 
  MIDI controller --->MP7----->E5000 see then I can record sampler 
  sequences with the MP7 and trigger them as tracks. 

  If **ANYONE** could walk me through the MIDI menu/Pattern menu to 
  accomplish this i would be so much obliged.

  Now I dont understand the point in having Channels A and B at all 
  because it seems upon examining the pattern menu that you can have 

                  32 channels but only 16 tracks

  is this true???? please please someone help me figure this out.
  So why have channels A and B? If you want to have two channels on the 
  same track? Aaron you seem like you might have the answers but when i 
  ask a difficult question you tend to ignore it. 

  1. MIDI in channels -- "this menu allows MIDI data recieved at the 
  MIDI input port to control either the A or B channels. With this 
  switch set to B you could play an external MIDI keyboard on channels 
  1B-16B while channels 1A-16A remain dedicated to the internal 
  sequencer"
  .................um okay.... well then what would I use to play my 
  presets on Channels 1A-16A, the pads on the front? I want my keyboard 
  to control the sounds in my MP-7 on some tracks and the E5000 on 
  other tracks but never both at the same time. Seems basic to me.

  2. MIDI enable -- makes sense to me, turn it off when you dont want 
  that channel to play the internal sounds of the MP-7. 

  3. Pattern Edit Channel Assign -- hmm gets a little tricky here. You 
  can assign each **TRACK** (of which there are 16 total) to a channel 
  (of which ther are 32) furthermore this channel can be set to 
  internal external or both. Seems like we got some redundant functions 
  here. Would you ever have a channel disabled in the MIDI menu but set 
  to internal in the Channel assign? 

  So what is the point of having channels A and B at all? If there are 
  only 16 tracks anyway why not just use 1A-16A and disable the MIDI 
  (or set the Channel Assign to ext) on the tracks you want to control 
  external devices. 

  Another Issue is which channel the MP-7 is using to talk to my 
  sampler, as you know the E5000 has 16 channels also so if I use the 
  Pattern Edit Channel Assign to set track 16 to 1B external, then i 
  select track 16 (with rechannelize input on because apparently its 
  impossible to play on the B channels with out it) is the MP-7 taking 
  the MIDI controller input and rechannelizing it to channel 1 on the B 
  output? Somehow I dont think thats happening.

  I know that this post is likely to be ignored because it is as 
  confusing as i am confused, if anyone could help me to understand 
  these issues i think it could be beneficial to the whole group 
  because after all the XX-7 is advertised as a "command station" for 
  controlling other devices also. 

  thanks to any heroic soul who dares tackle these question.

                                          drew


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GRRRR -- of course ive read the manual. 1000000 times!!! If it was 
clearly outlined in the manual, or if the answer was somewhere in a 
previous thread I wouldn't go to the trouble of posting. 

I pretty much live on this forum, and am surprised that given the 
amount of RTFM questions asked here that are answered with patience
I would be told to "sit down with the manual" when I ask about 
something so convoluted as the XX-7 MIDI structure.

Sorry you got a RTFM...MIDI stuff is pretty complicated.  In any case,
my previous answer is the same: use "rechannelize always" and get used
to not having to change channels on your controller.

There really is no other easy way, since rechannelize *is* the easy
way.

-Aaron

PS. you have got the 2.0 addendum though, right?  or even better, the
new rev G manual?  There's MIDI signal flow diagrams in the back.

PPS. quick summary:  each track can play up to 16 channels at once, of
which you can choose Internal A, Internal B, External A, or External B.
 Yes, that's 64 logical channels (32 internal, 32 external).  You could
therefore use 4 tracks and completely fill up all 64 channels.  Of
course, you'd be a masochist to do so.  Most people leave the routing
track 1 to channel 1, etc.  If you want to target external gear, simply
switch the track to external.  If you run out of tracks, you can bounce
down to a "multi" track (i.e. one that targets up to 16 channels).

--- drewaight1 <drewaight@...> wrote:
> GRRRR -- of course ive read the manual. 1000000 times!!!
> I pretty much live on this forum, and am surprised that given
> the amount of RTFM questions asked here that are answered with
> patience I would be told to "sit down with the manual" when I
> ask about something so convoluted as the XX-7 MIDI structure.

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An common usage example: Using explode/combine functions, you can set 
up your drum kit to use a different channel for each instrument 
(bd/sd/hh etc) then combine them down to one track in the sequencer. 
This gets you around the 'can't define my own drum kit' issue with 
the p2k sound engine.

>>  I thought this was such a succintly stated womderful tip, I 
wanted to make it easy to find via the index and via archival 
search [key word: custom drum kit].

Have you read the FAQ at all?   I have a section in there that helps to 
explain the whole MIDI channel/track relationship thing a bit better. I'll 
get back to you on your other email shortly, I need to get caught up on 
some work items first.  Maybe RTM in the mean time?  Sorry, couldn't 
resist :)

rEalm






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08/15/2003 04:35 PM
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GRRRR -- of course ive read the manual. 1000000 times!!! If it was 
clearly outlined in the manual, or if the answer was somewhere in a 
previous thread I wouldn't go to the trouble of posting. 

I pretty much live on this forum, and am surprised that given the 
amount of RTFM questions asked here that are answered with patience
I would be told to "sit down with the manual" when I ask about 
something so convoluted as the XX-7 MIDI structure.



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Hey im sorry about posting so much. I cant figure this f*cking thing out 
for the life of me. 

>>>No problem, that's what the list is for :) <<<

Now I dont understand the point in having Channels A and B at all because 
it seems upon examining the pattern menu that you can have 32 channels but 
only 16 tracks.  So why have channels A and B?

>>>Think of Tracks as empty containers, each of which can hold between 1 
and 16 midi Channels.  Because MIDI can only be transmitted on up to 16 
channels, you need a way to differentiate between the possible 32 
channels, thus the A and B description. <<<
 
1. MIDI in channels -- I want my keyboard to control the sounds in my MP-7 
on some tracks and the E5000 on 
other tracks but never both at the same time. Seems basic to me.

>>>Your best bet would be to turn on "Rechannelize" in the MIDI menu, this 
will let you use your keyboard to control whatever the current MIDI 
channel is set to. Works for both INT and EXT tracks. <<<

3. Pattern Edit Channel Assign --  Would you ever have a channel disabled 
in the MIDI menu but set to internal in the Channel assign? 

>>>Hmmm, I don't think so, but maybe there's a use for this I can't think 
of.  If you don't need it, then don't even worry about it :) <<<

So what is the point of having channels A and B at all? If there are only 
16 tracks anyway why not just use 1A-16A and disable the MIDI (or set the 
Channel Assign to ext) on the tracks you want to control external devices. 


>>>Well, the problem is that if you disable the track, then you can't 
control anything, including external devices. <<<

Another Issue is which channel the MP-7 is using to talk to my 
sampler, as you know the E5000 has 16 channels also so if I use the 
Pattern Edit Channel Assign to set track 16 to 1B external, then i 
select track 16 (with rechannelize input on because apparently its 
impossible to play on the B channels with out it) is the MP-7 taking 
the MIDI controller input and rechannelizing it to channel 1 on the B 
output? Somehow I dont think thats happening.

>>>Hmm, I think it should be working as you describe, if it's not then 
it's possible that another one of your MIDI settings isn't set correctly. 
Is the Track set to EXT in the Pattern Edit menu? <<<

I know that this post is likely to be ignored because it is as confusing 
as i am confused, if anyone could help me to understand these issues i 
think it could be beneficial to the whole group because after all the XX-7 
is advertised as a "command station" for controlling other devices also. 

>>>NO problem.  It might take us some time to get to the bottom of your 
problems, but stick with it and we'll get there.  Why don't you let me 
know exactly what you're trying to do with your set up, and we'll see if 
we can get to the bottom of this. <<<

rEalm









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> 3. Pattern Edit Channel Assign --  Would you ever have a channel
> disabled in the MIDI menu but set to internal in the Channel
> assign? 
> 
> >>>Hmmm, I don't think so, but maybe there's a use for this I can't
> think of.  If you don't need it, then don't even worry about it :)

So far as I know, MIDI ENABLE [MIDI MENU] refers to MIDI IN.  That 
is, if enabled is on, the intenal synth engine will respond to 
external midi channel data on that specific channel.  If off, it 
won't.

Possible application: (1) Have different channel setups for 1A-16A 
and 1B-16B.  (2) Switch MIDI IN CHANNELS 1 to 16 from A to B and B to 
A to have instant changes in how external gear (eg, controller) is 
routed to 1A - 16A v. 1B - 16B.

There are also implications for whether or not midi in data is merged 
to OUT A and/or OUT B.

As far as I know Pattern Edit Channel Assign refers to a different 
fucntion--namely, where you are going to send channel sequencer 
data:  nowhere, the internal sound engine, external [MIDI port A/B], 
or both.

If you have no external controller [gear, software, etc.] going into 
the E-Mu, I agree with rEalm--don't worry about it.

Dr. Steve