RE: [xl7] Digest Number 1617
2005-12-02 by Patrick
Thanks to all of you for your advice and encouragement. I'll make some adjustment, be patient, and keep working. Rev-P
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From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:46 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Digest Number 1617
There are 6 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Monitoring/Headphones
From: "revpathomas" <revpathomas@...>
2. Re: Monitoring/Headphones
From: "zerolatencyproductions" <zerolatencyproductions@...>
3. Re: Monitoring/Headphones
From: "zerolatencyproductions" <zerolatencyproductions@...>
4. I'm about to purchase Emulator X Studio...can I....
From: Herschel Newman <bombnem@...>
5. Re: I'm about to purchase Emulator X Studio...can I....
From: Mibrilane <mibrilane@...>
6. Re: I'm about to purchase Emulator X Studio...can I....
From: Mibrilane <mibrilane@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:07:56 -0000
From: "revpathomas" <revpathomas@...>
Subject: Monitoring/Headphones
I multi-track my music on Fantom X8 & EMu MP7. I do vocals on Akai
DPS12i + DPS16. I monitor through a pair of Event PS6's and/or Sony
Studio Monitor Headphones.
Problem: I have made CD's from the DPS and from the Fantom. My mixes
on both always come out bass heavy and muddy. Is this a frequency (EQ)
problem or a monitoring problem? Would a sub-woofer help in the
mixing process? Is this a possible problem with the bass or kick drum
patches that I am tracking?
Again, the overall mix is find. I'm just not getting a good reading
of the low end in my current setup. Any help would be much appreciated.
Rev-P
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:13:48 -0000
From: "zerolatencyproductions" <zerolatencyproductions@...>
Subject: Re: Monitoring/Headphones
This problem mainly has to do with track-by-track EQ'ing. First,
somethings should be mentioned which you might have already heard.
Basicaly, every intrument has a fundamental tone/frequency it
produces which we register as a certain pitch. Though we perceive a
certain pitch as the note struck, the intrument is also producing
different volumes of frequencies through pretty much the whole
frequency range (harmonics). It doesn't matter if its a vocal
track, guitar track, bass guitar track, or a kick drum track.
Independently, they may sound great and full of colorful sound. Put
them all together and the frequencies will conflict. The frequency
range of one insturment will bleed into the frequency range of
another, causing the tracks to lose their defining characteristics.
You end up getting a muddy sound of jumbled frequencies in your bass
ranges, among others. Though you can adjust the EQ on the master end
to reduce the muddy frequencies, its going to cause your mix to lose
whatever punch it had and overall quality. What you have to do is
EQ each track seperately before the master mixdown. Here is exactly
how the process works to EQ each track so they fit together like a
puzzle. Take for example a kick drum track and a bass guitar
track. You might want to cut the bass guitar frequencies say
about -5db at around 60hz, maybe boost about 5db at around 500hz,
and cut agian about -3db at about 5khz. Then on the kick drum track
do the exact opposite at the same frequencies. So you'd boost 5db
at around 60hz, cut about -5db at around 500hz, and boost about 3db
around 5khz. Individualy, the tracks my not sound as good and full
as before, but when you put the two together they compliment each
other. Giving the two a better overall pressence. This is what
should be done to all of your tracks. The result will be cleaner,
clearer tracks with much better punch, feel, dynamics, and
instrument definition. It will also alow you to get your mix a lot
louder in the mastering process. There are certain frequency
analizer programs out there that will help assist in this. They
alow you to see the overpowering and conflicting frequencies between
each track, taking a lot of the guess work out of the process.
Otherwise, you'd have to realy on your ears; which can be hard to
do, beacuse of the sound system and speaker frequency response and
room accoustics affecting the true sound. If you have anymore
questions about this, I'll be happy to try and answer any of them.
Peace,
Brandon
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "revpathomas" <revpathomas@y...> wrote:
>
> I multi-track my music on Fantom X8 & EMu MP7. I do vocals on Akai
> DPS12i + DPS16. I monitor through a pair of Event PS6's and/or
Sony
> Studio Monitor Headphones.
>
> Problem: I have made CD's from the DPS and from the Fantom. My
mixes
> on both always come out bass heavy and muddy. Is this a frequency
(EQ)
> problem or a monitoring problem? Would a sub-woofer help in the
> mixing process? Is this a possible problem with the bass or kick
drum
> patches that I am tracking?
>
> Again, the overall mix is find. I'm just not getting a good
reading
> of the low end in my current setup. Any help would be much
appreciated.
>
> Rev-P
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:35:20 -0000
From: "zerolatencyproductions" <zerolatencyproductions@...>
Subject: Re: Monitoring/Headphones
I also wanted to add that monitoring is almost always a problem.
Even if you have speakers that say they provide a flat response,
what you hook them up to can also effect the sound. Your recording
is almost always going to sound alittle different where ever you
play it. Sometimes, I've made a mix that sounds great on my
headphones and on my computer speakers. I'll plug the mix up to my
friends studio monitors and it will sound even better. But when I
play the mix on a hi-fi stereo or in the car, it sounds totaly
different. That's why its always good to test your master on every
system you can come across. It can be very frustrating at times.
It just takes alot of time and patience to fine tune everything.
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "zerolatencyproductions"
<zerolatencyproductions@y...> wrote:
>
> This problem mainly has to do with track-by-track EQ'ing. First,
> somethings should be mentioned which you might have already
heard.
> Basicaly, every intrument has a fundamental tone/frequency it
> produces which we register as a certain pitch. Though we perceive
a
> certain pitch as the note struck, the intrument is also producing
> different volumes of frequencies through pretty much the whole
> frequency range (harmonics). It doesn't matter if its a vocal
> track, guitar track, bass guitar track, or a kick drum track.
> Independently, they may sound great and full of colorful sound.
Put
> them all together and the frequencies will conflict. The
frequency
> range of one insturment will bleed into the frequency range of
> another, causing the tracks to lose their defining
characteristics.
> You end up getting a muddy sound of jumbled frequencies in your
bass
> ranges, among others. Though you can adjust the EQ on the master
end
> to reduce the muddy frequencies, its going to cause your mix to
lose
> whatever punch it had and overall quality. What you have to do is
> EQ each track seperately before the master mixdown. Here is
exactly
> how the process works to EQ each track so they fit together like a
> puzzle. Take for example a kick drum track and a bass guitar
> track. You might want to cut the bass guitar frequencies say
> about -5db at around 60hz, maybe boost about 5db at around 500hz,
> and cut agian about -3db at about 5khz. Then on the kick drum
track
> do the exact opposite at the same frequencies. So you'd boost 5db
> at around 60hz, cut about -5db at around 500hz, and boost about
3db
> around 5khz. Individualy, the tracks my not sound as good and
full
> as before, but when you put the two together they compliment each
> other. Giving the two a better overall pressence. This is what
> should be done to all of your tracks. The result will be cleaner,
> clearer tracks with much better punch, feel, dynamics, and
> instrument definition. It will also alow you to get your mix a
lot
> louder in the mastering process. There are certain frequency
> analizer programs out there that will help assist in this. They
> alow you to see the overpowering and conflicting frequencies
between
> each track, taking a lot of the guess work out of the process.
> Otherwise, you'd have to realy on your ears; which can be hard to
> do, beacuse of the sound system and speaker frequency response and
> room accoustics affecting the true sound. If you have anymore
> questions about this, I'll be happy to try and answer any of them.
>
> Peace,
> Brandon
>
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "revpathomas" <revpathomas@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I multi-track my music on Fantom X8 & EMu MP7. I do vocals on
Akai
> > DPS12i + DPS16. I monitor through a pair of Event PS6's and/or
> Sony
> > Studio Monitor Headphones.
> >
> > Problem: I have made CD's from the DPS and from the Fantom. My
> mixes
> > on both always come out bass heavy and muddy. Is this a
frequency
> (EQ)
> > problem or a monitoring problem? Would a sub-woofer help in the
> > mixing process? Is this a possible problem with the bass or
kick
> drum
> > patches that I am tracking?
> >
> > Again, the overall mix is find. I'm just not getting a good
> reading
> > of the low end in my current setup. Any help would be much
> appreciated.
> >
> > Rev-P
> >
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:03:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Herschel Newman <bombnem@...>
Subject: I'm about to purchase Emulator X Studio...can I....
Hey,
Will I be able to synch my Yamaha DX board up to Emu X and use its sounds?
Would this simply be classified as 'sampling'? What about voice recording
in the Emu X? Basically if any of you have already made the jump from xx7
to the X Studio, lend me some of your tips and info.
Thanks,
Bomb
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:16:03 -0700
From: Mibrilane <mibrilane@...>
Subject: Re: I'm about to purchase Emulator X Studio...can I....
On Dec 1, 2005, at 6:03 PM, Herschel Newman wrote:
> Will I be able to synch my Yamaha DX board up to Emu X and use its
> sounds? Would this simply be classified as 'sampling'? What about
> voice recording in the Emu X? Basically if any of you have already
> made the jump from xx7 to the X Studio, lend me some of your tips
> and info.
I remain completely ignorant about the Emulator X, mostly because E-
mu in their infinite wisdom decided to make it PC only and thus
useless on my Macintosh. Grr!
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Mibrilane
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:16:03 -0700
From: Mibrilane <mibrilane@...>
Subject: Re: I'm about to purchase Emulator X Studio...can I....
On Dec 1, 2005, at 6:03 PM, Herschel Newman wrote:
> Will I be able to synch my Yamaha DX board up to Emu X and use its
> sounds? Would this simply be classified as 'sampling'? What about
> voice recording in the Emu X? Basically if any of you have already
> made the jump from xx7 to the X Studio, lend me some of your tips
> and info.
I remain completely ignorant about the Emulator X, mostly because E-
mu in their infinite wisdom decided to make it PC only and thus
useless on my Macintosh. Grr!
---
Mibrilane
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